Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4

Lucas15 wrote:

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:Yikes! I find that more misleading than if she had sex with him. So for me, more shocking!

It would certainly be misleading if she said that and didn't pick him. But if he's the one she picked - would it really be misleading? Or would it be true - just premature? How would that be any different that Ashley telling JP she loved him - quite early in the show (albeit later than this point) but well before the FRC?

Good point. I just find sleeping with Nick to be more of a betrayal if Kaitlyn has professed her love to Shawn than if Kaitlyn has been intimate with Shawn. Physical intimacy can be open for interpretation, but words have more specific meaning.

‏@theyearofelan Jun 21
You can't make someone fall in love with you but you can convince them that they don't have any better options

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also i think this is him during the camping trip

https://instagram.com/p/4J-K54CYLj/

emusha wrote: ‏@theyearofelan  Jun 21
You can't make someone fall in love with you but you can convince them that they don't have any better options

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also i think this is him during the camping trip

https://instagram.com/p/4J-K54CYLj/

Sorry but confused who you think it is during the camping trip.

Never Mind I get it now just did not see the tye dye socks.  I know that Nick is one of Elan's favorites and they have a close relationship but I do not know if he would go on a family trip with him. But you never know with Nick and Elan.

Us weekly has a preview of Nick and Kaitlyn's date. I don't know how to bring it over. Their Irish dancing reminds me alittle of when Des and Chris danced in Germany. Such an odd vibe I get from this season. I see Jash, Andi and Des seasons combined. I still think there is more to come even after Snapchatgate .

whit -- nick i think is in the pic in the top right?

ETA: link to usweekly article
http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/bachelorettes-nick-gushes-over-his-connection-with-kaitlyn-bristowe-2015226

emusha wrote:whit -- nick i think is in the pic in the top right?


http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/bachelorettes-nick-gushes-over-his-connection-with-kaitlyn-bristowe-2015226

I agree his family went on a camping trip this weekend there are some pics. of them in his Fan thread.

Thanks

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:I just find sleeping with Nick to be more of a betrayal if Kaitlyn has professed her love to Shawn than if Kaitlyn has been intimate with Shawn.

I think you're right - it's more of a betrayal of Nick. But IMO the lead's perspective on the show and the elimination process is different than what we see through the edit. Leads have said that they narrow their interests down to a very small group very quickly. IMO if that's the case they they have to give some thought to protecting those relationships even as they seem to explore others - the others are really matter-of-time contestants and relationships. We don't see that because the edit simply doesn't show how they protect the one or ones they want to pick at the end.

It may suck to be put in this position but if a lead is going to betray someone it would be stupid to betray the one they want to pick - they would betray someone else - anyone else.

I was really only throwing out a hypothetical "what if" to explain the "shocking secret" - I have no clue what it really is other than I don't think it's going to be all that shocking - that's just hype for the episode. A "premature ILY" was just something that came to mind. Maybe I was right - more likely I was wrong. But it has been interesting to ponder some of the issues.

Nick is my least favourite contestant of this franchise in recent years, and I can't wait until he's old news in a season or two. I think he's a sneaky little manipulative rat, and I got exactly what he tried to do last night in his tweets. They seemed very low key shady towards Kait (and probably her f1) and NOT supportive at all - though carefully worded they were. It was like his pre-ATFR performance and I shudder to think of the BS he'll spew then. This creep show is just getting warmed up.

Blu, what was shady about the SM comments last night? I saw them as very straightforward and supportive of Kaitlyn 100%. I truly think that one's preconceived ideas about a contestant, whether good or bad, play a large role in our interpretation of such SM posting intentions. I support Nick all the way, so naturally I see them as a defense and protection of Kaitlyn and her choices regarding sexuality. How do they seem different to you specifically?

Watched the episode again and honestly it makes no sense.

Kaitlyn said that she had hoped things with Nick wouldn't be as good as they were? To me, that makes me think that she was sold on Shawn and then Nick came along and she was as she said "not thinking about cameras or anyone". So she got stuck in the bubble thinking she could have both, equally.

And yet she also said that she is afraid if the guys find about her and Nick that she will be left with no one? Wait? No one? That means she never wanted Nick as F1 if that is what she meant and it is not spliced and diced. So if she takes him to F2 and he doesn't leave before then, then producer driven or not that is craziness, especially if she sleeps with him again. That is not a mistake then if you do the same "mistake" twice. That's intentional. jmo

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Julie Hall ‏[ltr]@ruhokie81[/ltr]  3h3 hours ago
@viallnicholas28 obviously Andi has not buried the hatchet .

bleuberry wrote:Nick is my least favourite contestant of this franchise in recent years, and I can't wait until he's old news in a season or two. I think he's a sneaky little manipulative rat, and I got exactly what he tried to do last night in his tweets. They seemed very low key shady towards Kait (and probably her f1) and NOT supportive at all - though carefully worded they were. It was like his pre-ATFR performance and I shudder to think of the BS he'll spew then. This creep show is just getting warmed up.

I have tried to stay away from forming an opinion on him since Andy's season, but I now know it is because I have nothing good to say about him that I stayed my corner. He is a smug slime who cares nothing for anyone but himself.
Didn't he use "fiancee type stuff" to justify sleeping with and outing Andi? I guess his bullcrap metre just went off the roof since he was happy to have sex with Kaithlyn without being anywhere near her fiancee.