Re: The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Britt Nilsson - Premier May 18-19 - Thread #2 *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

[Guest]

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http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/the_bachelorette_kaitlyn_bristowe_nick_viall_joining_the_season-2015-05

Video at the bottom

Sorry I lost where the preview videos were posted, can someone point me to it?

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thank you both!
( YES! Finally figured out the multiquote )

[Guest]

Better quality just posted there: Media No discussion

Working on SCs.

[california90]

Someone refresh my memory already. Did she initiate the kiss or Shawn?

[gurlbrit]

^^ I was gobsmacked that she kissed two guys the first night! I knew then that we were in for a ball of a season. If I recall, it also looked like she went in for the kiss when Joshua (?) gave her the metal rose. Like others, I can't wait for next Monday.

[MiaHawk]

The show has jumped the shark or at least turned a different dramatic direction.  They want anything and everything that will get 'talk at the watercooler'.   If they wanted a Cinderella story they do no select a Bachelorette that pulled her swimsuit bottoms off in a different season.     To each his own, it's just obvious that romance is no longer the name of the game if it ever was for this show.  

My take on this is that the show was never about romance (from MF's and TPTB's point of view). For them, it was always about a weird social experiment where one 'desirable' lead was pursued by 25 suitors, and how all parties dealt with this sped up process, the isolated bubble, group dates, simultaneous dating, and 15 minutes of fame.  

The viewers, however, have always been somewhat split regarding what this show is all about.  Some view to see a great romance. Other watch to see people behave ('well' or 'badly') while in the bubble.

What has changed, IMO, is how far MF and TPTB will push the envelop. How much they are willing to exploit participants' footage, how much they are willing to show 'how the sausage is made' (the stuff behind closed doors), and how blatant they are now about how they don't care if they hurt someone's reputation.  Yes, there have always been contracts that gave TPTB rights to use footage and editing however they wish, but they have become more brazen with their power.  Why?

Well, it's complicated and multifaceted, IMO. But, it's been many years since they started producing this show and times have changed in the tv game and IRL.  Plus, because this show's been on the air so long, and because it has a proven travk record in not producing marriages, they feel the need to spice it up somehow. They've tried many tricks over the years to make us tune in, seems like they're just getting back to basics, that is sex.  Recent seasons have proven that contestants feel more sexually liberated than in years past, and even if both parties are not eager to speak about sex, it only takes oneto bring it up. Sex or sexually controversy are just as juicy.  Like many have said, this sort of behavior is nothing new. What is new is that MF is willing to use the footage now. We never saw footage of someone knocking on Blob's bathroom door during some 'mature sexy' time with a lady, but we will see something that Kaitlyn does exposed.  Why?

One, I think that MF is a mysogynistic pig who prefers to exploit women rather than men. And, two, because he can. He's been sliding down this slippery slope for years, and he's always gotten away with it. He's never been punished for his unkind ways. So, why stop with heavy breathing behind closed doors, far far away camera angles of ocean frolicking, or even the ATFR confrontation?  If a woman is so inclined to choose to have sex with one of her men (even before the FDs), then why not use the footage (from outside the closed door) and turn the whole thing into a tv event.  It could have been a non-event like in years past (whispered about as a rumor), but why not use it in the social experiment.  If K does in fact sit down and tell her remaining men, or F3, or whoever, about how she had sex with another, this will be a big score for MF, people will be talking.  So, for K's sake I hope that she handles the pressures well and stays true to herself when she is questioned, confronted, and criticized.  I believe that if you choose to exercise one of your rights in an unpopular sort of way, that you ought to be prepared to defend yourself.

This show, despite it's claims, has never been a Cinderella story. This is American Horror Story at it's best.

[Kashathediva]

Mia, you know I don't thrive on long posts. I usually Kasharead(interpret that as skim) most.
With that being said--I totally agree(see I am emulating you by spelling out ITA) with every word above. 
I wish more viewers saw the show this way.
I love the new moniker--American Horror Story!  It's very Kasha.

[moonchild]

Not to mention that Sean is not the role model for my family when it comes to pre-marital sex.  Pretending like you never did it before, and then calling yourself a virgin is kind of ridiculous.

Too bad that's never what he did or said. He freely admitted he wasn't an actual virgin and was just choosing to be abstinent.

I'm curious about others opinions. If you don't think it's Nick who she had sex with before the FS, then who? Or do you think the whole thing is just made up?

I think whomever is in the elevator (Nick? not Shawn--wrong hair color) is who she had sex with.(or allegedly had sex with) The sweater in the elevator is the same sweater that was in her room




Is this the same sweater as guy in the elevator?


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[IrishGal]

No, because litta proved it had stripes over in the screencap thread.

[GuardianAngel]

moonchild Thanks for checking that out!

[moonchild]

Thanks!

[KB_Mom]

OMG!  Had a work marathon yesterday and just now watched night two of premier and that preview!!  

The preview seemed very choppy to me and a lot of splice and dice but it certainly will keep me watching.

I really don't know what to believe so I am just going to watch it unfold.  

[MiaHawk]

I am not a sleuther, but here are some thoughts/questions:

1) the elevator photo above is very dark. In another version it is much lighter and you can make out Shawn's unique haircut. IMO it is Shawn in the elevator.

2) do we know if the door with purple sweater guy (IMO Shawn) matches the door in the "give me 30 seconds" scene and the hallway where the cameraman is standing? Could be a different hotel door all together, AND the voiceover "give me 30 seconds" may not have even occured from behind the door shown in the clip.

3) in the purple sweater/doorway photo, K is wearing a grey t shirt. I think there is an ITM with that t shirt, and IIRC she was crying.  Doesn't mean she was crying because of what was done behind that door, but could also be crying from a conversation that took place behind that door.

4) Did Blogger Boy refute the previews? Did he say that K never divulges that she slept with one of the men to any of the other men?  Could it be she was filmed talking openly to CH or her own family, and they spliced it to look as if she was speaking to the men? Could they have done this as retribution to K for not choosing a F1? (As I believe that is a rumor floating around. Or did Blogger Boy say it? Like I said, I don't sleuth, just trying to connect some dots in my mind.)

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