The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Filming Schedule - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

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I seriously doubt that Kaitlyn did not know that Nick wanted to be on the show. I think he asked her and it was a simple yes. JMO

GuardianAngel wrote:From another thread.

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:Hannah Khablein ‏@hannahkhablein 19h19 hours ago

Filming at the Bachelor Mansion in Malibu


Tweeted yesterday so maybe filming is not over?

https://twitter.com/hannahkhablein/status/596111476865179648

I didn't think RS had it right. It seemed too soon for it to be over considering Kaitlyn was spotted at LAX on the 29th. He said the FRC was 4 days ago now?

That tweet was yesterday. As discussed in the other thread, it could be voice overs etc. but I'm thinking we may have been right in the first place.JMHO

I agree, somehow I just have serious doubts as to whether the season is finished filming and the filming that did happen on the 2nd could very well of been the F4 RC. It will be interesting for sure.

umngirl wrote:

eirekay wrote:

mindless wrote:I don't really care if people think it's staged, because I don't think Nick would take part in a fake engagement. If he is the F1 and they're engaged, then I believe it's because they have strong feelings for one another. Yeah, it might be staged in the sense that none of the other guys had a chance to begin with and Nick already had Kaitlyn's heart before the season, but that doesn't really bother me. She can only choose one guy anyway, so hearts will get "broken" regardless of who she chooses. As long as there's a happy ending then all is good, right?

Personally, I don't think Nick had her heart before the season, since I doubt they knew each other that well. I don't believe she wouldn't at least try to give the other hunky guys she's presented with a chance. If Nick won, then that's just because she liked him best. Good for her!

^^^ I agree.  From my perspective, I don't see them bringing Nick on the show midway through unless Kaitlyn had already told the TPTB that she just wasn't feeling it with the guys that were already there.  I also don't see Kaitlyn risking a budding relationship with one of her Bach's, if she was really interested, by allowing Nick to stay.  I could be totally wrong, but look at the reaction Chris got when Jordan tried to come back, and the girls already knew her.  Kaitlyn was there for that and would have had a very real idea of the amount of blow back she could expect from her guys.

Or they planned on bringing Nick back once he made it known he liked Kaitlyn and instead of bringing him back the first night like it's often done, they delayed it for more drama. It's possible Kaitlyn had no idea he was even coming or even asked to have him brought on. This is why it feels staged to me, this has TPTB's grubby hands all over it. And sure she could have liked him better than several of the guys so she kept him around or TPTB could have asked her to keep him around longer. It's not like they haven't done that before.

When Jordan returned, Kaitlyn spoke directly her saying something along the lines of not feeling negatively toward her as a person however K. felt the girls still there had already started developing relationships with Chris and she may have used the word "unfair". 
What KItlyn may have also learned from that was that sending Jordan into the lioness den alone was not fair as well.  I suspect Kaitlyn herself told the guys Nick would be joining the dating pool. He may or may not have been present during that convo.

RE: K and her proclivity towards bringing Nick on for drama -- her reaction to Jordan clearly shows that she'll think it's completely unfair bringing Nick on for drama and I think it's near impossible that she'd actually do that. How seriously, openly and clearly she let Jordan know about the unfairness also points to her feeling so interested in Nick to a point she chose to overlook the fact that she herself would have thought it was unfair to the guys 
...I think she liked him enough that she went against how "fair" it might seem or staged. there's added pressure she's taking on that she wouldn't do otherwise if it was someone within the show who is returning - with nick it will come off to the other guys that things were staged and manupilated so the fallout could be bigger than if jordan had come back for CS. I actually also think that added with the initial spoiler of her and Nick making out the first time they talked privately points to her having a "weakness" for him where her heart wants him around even though in a completely rational normal circumstance her head would tell her it was wrong and unfair for her to bring him on. That's a big tell IMHO and I agree w/ those that have said that already.

On the other hand, while that is an early indication about how strongly she was interested in Nick -- forsaking criticism and fall out from the guys and even the public a bit --- 
I actually had a second consideration about the social media and I just think tptb obviously know we're watching -- why would they invest time in making sure tweets are going out from nick's account if they didn't know and care about that fact. they know sm is a source of spoilers. with this information -- how convenient is it for them to use sm to spread their misinformation or wht they want us to believe. I've been speculating that regardless of how far Nick makes it -- it is in tptb's interest to make it appear that nick was there till the end cos he is someone with a following and ppl know him even as a villain vs. the unknowns on the season. the fact that there's been tweeting throughout the season also points to them knowing they can make it look that way using his social media - they can control what we see and think through his social media

all this is to say that i don't think we know anything right now to tell us nick made it past F3. I'm going to discount sm during filming as anything but a misinformation tactic to make it appear that he's in chicago at first then whatever else they wanted us to think - I also think they would use his sm to continue the misinformation campaign. At the same time even during bachcan and ali's season etc. we've spoiled the F1 using social media. so it's worth keeping a skeptical but open mind which what I'll try to do. 

in context of probabilities --> If Ben is in the F3 alongside Nick then I think Nick has a higher chance than if Jared or Chris are in the F3 but that's just my opinion based on what we know of the guys

SM is really like a Venetian Carnivale with TPTB handing out the masks. 
Some accounts private, others public, some like Cory almost certainly being managed by a friend, while known Nick needs to be active to reduce knowledge of him filming, and then there are some who follow other cast members just incase sleuthers don't have their tags or to fuel assumptions. It has effectively put into question who is done filming when and I think that has been the whole point. The process of order of elimination appears visible but in reality it's eyes wide shut.

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:It could be done, but very tight. 
April 30 both MTP
May 1 LCD
May 2 LCD
May 3 FRC

I'm having such a hard time with the idea Kaitlyn would have had 4 overnight dates the final week in Ireland. Of course it's possible but perhaps the overnight option was attached to the "HTD" or this season's equivalent. There seems to have been enough time for a couple overnights in the time since filming ended in Ireland. She may have just had 2 overnight's if she let someone go early and then just her F2 for a quick RC at the mansion on the 29th.

A possible solution to the 4 overnight dates could be that it was only an if you choose.
Every single season the FD card states should you choose. It is not a given even though it has been a given. 
The last two seasons it seems this ended up being a bit of a mess. Maybe the "if you choose" comes into play? IDK.  I guess we will have to see how it all plays out.

notarose wrote:SM is really like a Venetian Carnivale with TPTB handing out the masks. 
Some accounts private, others public, some like Cory almost certainly being managed by a friend, while known Nick needs to be active to reduce knowledge of him filming, and then there are some who follow other cast members just incase sleuthers don't have their tags or to fuel assumptions. It has effectively put into question who is done filming when and I think that has been the whole point. The process of order of elimination appears visible but in reality it's eyes wide shut.

hahahaha I thought you were over Andi, NR. What's with the Venice reference?

emusha wrote:(snipped) in context of probabilities --> If Ben is in the F3 alongside Nick then I think Nick has a higher chance than if Jared or Chris are in the F3 but that's just my opinion based on what we know of the guys

This is an interesting thought ... just putting it out there... If it's true love, does it matter who F2 or F3 is?

SueSt wrote:

emusha wrote:(snipped) in context of probabilities --> If Ben is in the F3 alongside Nick then I think Nick has a higher chance than if Jared or Chris are in the F3 but that's just my opinion based on what we know of the guys

This is an interesting thought ...  just putting it out there... If it's true love, does it matter who F2 or F3 is?

For the lead and the F1 probably not -- for us to figure out how things went then imho it's valuable info

SueSt wrote:

notarose wrote:SSM is really like a Venetian Carnivale with TPTB handing out the masks. 
Some accounts private, others public, some like Cory almost certainly being managed by a friend, while known Nick needs to be active to reduce knowledge of him filming, and then there are some who follow other cast members just incase sleuthers don't have their tags or to fuel assumptions. It has effectively put into question who is done filming when and I think that has been the whole point. The process of order of elimination appears visible but in reality it's eyes wide shut.

hahahaha I thought you were over Andi, NR.  What's with the Venice reference?  

  Venice is one of my fav cities.  I was first there at age 21.     It doesn't remind me of Andi at all.
Being there for Carnivale or on Lido for the film festival are still on my wish list 

Kashathediva wrote:

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:It could be done, but very tight. 
April 30 both MTP
May 1 LCD
May 2 LCD
May 3 FRC

I'm having such a hard time with the idea Kaitlyn would have had 4 overnight dates the final week in Ireland. Of course it's possible but perhaps the overnight option was attached to the "HTD" or this season's equivalent. There seems to have been enough time for a couple overnights in the time since filming ended in Ireland. She may have just had 2 overnight's if she let someone go early and then just her F2 for a quick RC at the mansion on the 29th.

A possible solution to the 4 overnight dates could be that it was only an if you choose.
Every single season the FD card states should you choose. It is not a given even though it has been a given. 
The last two seasons it seems this ended up being a bit of a mess. Maybe the "if you choose" comes into play? IDK.  I guess we will have to see how it all plays out.

:Nod: I can also see four overnights going this way. When Jillian was given the option of four FS in Spain, she "chose" to only spend spend the night with one- Ed, her eventual F1. I'm guessing Katlyn and producers can come up with credible reasons to only got to the suite with her top 2 or so. No way did the show get rid of FDs all together- that episode is the bread and butter and what most people associate the show with IMO.

Yes, returning contestants are "staged." It's actually kind of a common theme for TPTB to add to seasons. Off the top of my head:

Mary- Byron
Shawntel-Ben
Kacie-Sean
Chris-Andi

The only time this staged ploy worked was with Byron and Mary- and a 5 year relationship (however dysfunctional) proves while the set up was staged, the feelings were not. The fact that we think Nick goes very far, farther than any returning contestant since Mary, shows me that Kaitlyn likes him, maybe a lot, despite the set up and "staged" entry.

The thing with this show is that everything is staged. The dates, the ceremonies, the date cards, the activities... Whether staged or not, true feelings can develop between the lead and contestants. I don't really take into account that having Nick arrive late is more staged than the guys who are there on night one. The entire thing is staged for filming anyway. The guys are interviewed, selected and given jobs right from the start.

If we see a relationship develop for Kaitlyn this season then I will be thrilled for her. Regardless of how tptb set up the scenario, if it happens then great! She is smart enough to follow her feelings and to know what will and won't work for her. I have faith that she will do great.

sosleepy wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:

I'm having such a hard time with the idea Kaitlyn would have had 4 overnight dates the final week in Ireland. Of course it's possible but perhaps the overnight option was attached to the "HTD" or this season's equivalent. There seems to have been enough time for a couple overnights in the time since filming ended in Ireland. She may have just had 2 overnight's if she let someone go early and then just her F2 for a quick RC at the mansion on the 29th.

A possible solution to the 4 overnight dates could be that it was only an if you choose.
Every single season the FD card states should you choose. It is not a given even though it has been a given. 
The last two seasons it seems this ended up being a bit of a mess. Maybe the "if you choose" comes into play? IDK.  I guess we will have to see how it all plays out.

:Nod:   I can also see four overnights going this way.  When Jillian was given the option of four FS in Spain, she "chose" to only spend spend the night with one- Ed, her eventual F1. I'm guessing Katlyn and producers can come up with credible reasons to only got to the suite with her top 2 or so.  No way did the show get rid of FDs all together- that episode is the bread and butter and what most people associate the show with IMO.

Yes, returning contestants are "staged."  It's actually kind of a common theme for TPTB to add to seasons.  Off the top of my head:

Mary- Byron
Shawntel-Ben
Kacie-Sean
Chris-Andi

The only time this staged ploy worked was with Byron and Mary- and a 5 year relationship (however dysfunctional) proves while the set up was staged, the feelings were not.  The fact that we think Nick goes very far, farther than any returning contestant since Mary, shows me that Kaitlyn likes him, maybe a lot, despite the set up and "staged" entry.

Since you already brought him up, you might want to add Ed/Jillian to the list, since he left and returned.. and made it to F1..