Re: Bachelor 19 - Chris Soules - Women Tell All - *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion Thread #2

[hmbach]

My thoughts on the ep:

Britt is still so so so fake and manipulative. She kept blaming Carly just to deflect attention away from her own mistakes. Trying so hard to make herself the victim and sympathetic to the viewers. I was cheering when Chris told her point blank that it wasn't what Carly said, it was our relationship AKA YOU. That shut her down so beautifully. How inappropriate was that ridiculously long hug? Ugh, get her off my screen for good, please!

Kelsey is still delusional and scary. I don't think anyone was still doubting her husband dying, Ashley I was just trying to explain why the thought occurred to her at the time of filming. I think it occurred to most viewers too, so can't really blame her. Britt jumping to Kelsey's defense was just her shining her armour again. Much like mentioning all the kids she tutored and orphanages she built. Bitch, please.

Ashley I's facial expressions are still gold. She's like a cartoon, in a good way. When Chris H handed Kelsey the silky snot rag?

Ashley S is a genius. She trolled the show.

Kaitlyn annoyed me a bit with her audition to be the Bachelorette. If she's still thinking about what happened, it's because she felt humiliated, not because she was really in love.

Jade needs to figure out who she is and own it first before expecting someone else to love her for who she is. I feel sad for her, because she's clearly insecure and that's what led her down the wrong path, but she admitted herself that she was acting shy and reserved because she had a massive secret weighing on her mind. So she wasn't really being herself the entire time. How can she blame Chris for being "disturbed" once the woman he was attracted to turned out to be very different from what he'd seen up to that point? It was just too late to spring something like that on him.

[onlyme]

My thoughts on the ep:

Britt is still so so so fake and manipulative. She kept blaming Carly just to deflect attention away from her own mistakes. Trying so hard to make herself the victim and sympathetic to the viewers. I was cheering when Chris told her point blank that it wasn't what Carly said, it was our relationship AKA YOU. That shut her down so beautifully. How inappropriate was that ridiculously long hug? Ugh, get her off my screen for good, please!

Kelsey is still delusional and scary. I don't think anyone was still doubting her husband dying, Ashley I was just trying to explain why the thought occurred to her at the time of filming. I think it occurred to most viewers too, so can't really blame her. Britt jumping to Kelsey's defense was just her shining her armour again. Much like mentioning all the kids she tutored and orphanages she built. Bitch, please.

Ashley I's facial expressions are still gold. She's like a cartoon, in a good way. When Chris H handed Kelsey the silky snot rag?

Ashley S is a genius. She trolled the show.

Kaitlyn annoyed me a bit with her audition to be the Bachelorette. If she's still thinking about what happened, it's because she felt humiliated, not because she was really in love.

Jade needs to figure out who she is and own it first before expecting someone else to love her for who she is. I feel sad for her, because she's clearly insecure and that's what led her down the wrong path, but she admitted herself that she was acting shy and reserved because she had a massive secret weighing on her mind. So she wasn't really being herself the entire time. How can she blame Chris for being "disturbed" once the woman he was attracted to turned out to be very different from what he'd seen up to that point? It was just too late to spring something like that on him.

Then Britt turns around says to C  something to effect that she knew C wouldn't have made a shallow decision like that based on what Carly said.  Well why the heck was Britt still thinking it was Carly's fault then if she KNEW C so well.   didn't make sense.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I was sure that is what I heard come out of her mouth.  

IMO  the best line the whole night comes from Ashley S when CH says what she actually saw was the accounting department...Ashley replies 'oh, that's what you're calling it now?'  priceless!!!  I had to rewind it a few times at that point.

[happygolucky]

"It's so weird ... that we're on TV"

[happygolucky]

IMO  the best line the whole night comes from Ashley S when CH says what she actually saw was the accounting department...Ashley replies 'oh, that's what you're calling it now?'  priceless!!!  I had to rewind it a few times at that point.

I know, for me too. Ashley S. had the best 1-liners. Pure gold.

[nutty1]

This is a really great article from someone who went to the taping of the WTA…..funny and a good perspective!

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/03/6-hours-of-crying-with-the-bachelor-women.html

[GuardianAngel]

I remember when I was first told several years ago, by someone who is familiar with shooting, that the faces the live audience makes, shocked, whispering to the friend etc are taped before hand to be used later, I was so dumbfounded.

I wonder if it's best to be so naive or know as much as we know.

Funny article nutty, thanks for sharing.

[Kashathediva]

One year they even took old film from either W/MTN or ATFR and inserted audience in the present. A member who was at that filming was watching and saw herself (!).

[GuardianAngel]

One year they even took old film from either W/MTN or ATFR and inserted audience in the present. A member who was at that filming was watching and saw herself (!).

That's funny! I'd ask MF for royalties. (Yeah right. )

[sfrank]

This is a really great article from someone who went to the taping of the WTA…..funny and a good perspective!

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/03/6-hours-of-crying-with-the-bachelor-women.html

A profoundly good read, thank you!

[nuts2uiam]

My thoughts on the ep:

Britt is still so so so fake and manipulative. She kept blaming Carly just to deflect attention away from her own mistakes. Trying so hard to make herself the victim and sympathetic to the viewers. I was cheering when Chris told her point blank that it wasn't what Carly said, it was our relationship AKA YOU. That shut her down so beautifully. How inappropriate was that ridiculously long hug? Ugh, get her off my screen for good, please!

Kelsey is still delusional and scary. I don't think anyone was still doubting her husband dying, Ashley I was just trying to explain why the thought occurred to her at the time of filming. I think it occurred to most viewers too, so can't really blame her. Britt jumping to Kelsey's defense was just her shining her armour again. Much like mentioning all the kids she tutored and orphanages she built. Bitch, please.

Ashley I's facial expressions are still gold. She's like a cartoon, in a good way. When Chris H handed Kelsey the silky snot rag?

Ashley S is a genius. She trolled the show.

Kaitlyn annoyed me a bit with her audition to be the Bachelorette. If she's still thinking about what happened, it's because she felt humiliated, not because she was really in love.

Jade needs to figure out who she is and own it first before expecting someone else to love her for who she is. I feel sad for her, because she's clearly insecure and that's what led her down the wrong path, but she admitted herself that she was acting shy and reserved because she had a massive secret weighing on her mind. So she wasn't really being herself the entire time. How can she blame Chris for being "disturbed" once the woman he was attracted to turned out to be very different from what he'd seen up to that point? It was just too late to spring something like that on him.

What I find to be really sad is that she sought the Bachelor out for validation and now all the prior guys will be letching her out. I am amazed that Chris Bukowski hasn't already stepped up to the plate for Jade. Really sad for her.

[MiaHawk]

My thoughts on the ep:

Britt is still so so so fake and manipulative. She kept blaming Carly just to deflect attention away from her own mistakes. Trying so hard to make herself the victim and sympathetic to the viewers. I was cheering when Chris told her point blank that it wasn't what Carly said, it was our relationship AKA YOU. That shut her down so beautifully. How inappropriate was that ridiculously long hug? Ugh, get her off my screen for good, please!

Kelsey is still delusional and scary. I don't think anyone was still doubting her husband dying, Ashley I was just trying to explain why the thought occurred to her at the time of filming. I think it occurred to most viewers too, so can't really blame her. Britt jumping to Kelsey's defense was just her shining her armour again. Much like mentioning all the kids she tutored and orphanages she built. Bitch, please.

Ashley I's facial expressions are still gold. She's like a cartoon, in a good way. When Chris H handed Kelsey the silky snot rag?

Ashley S is a genius. She trolled the show.

Kaitlyn annoyed me a bit with her audition to be the Bachelorette. If she's still thinking about what happened, it's because she felt humiliated, not because she was really in love.

Jade needs to figure out who she is and own it first before expecting someone else to love her for who she is. I feel sad for her, because she's clearly insecure and that's what led her down the wrong path, but she admitted herself that she was acting shy and reserved because she had a massive secret weighing on her mind. So she wasn't really being herself the entire time. How can she blame Chris for being "disturbed" once the woman he was attracted to turned out to be very different from what he'd seen up to that point? It was just too late to spring something like that on him.

What I find to be really sad is that she sought the Bachelor out for validation and now all the prior guys will be letching her out.  I am amazed that Chris Bukowski hasn't already stepped up to the plate for Jade.  Really sad for her.

Regarding Jade: Nobody can ever be 100% prepared for how they will behave while on the show. There's the 25 other women. There's the cameras. There's the group dates. None of it is a natural setting. So, I can understand if somebody's real or whole personality wasn't expressed or shown. So, secret or no secret, I can understand jade appearing or acting more shy than her normal self.

However, Jade should have known from past experience that her PB video and nude photos could potentially be a dealbreaker for a guy. She went on the show knowing that this was in her past. I give her a lot of credit for being honest and for telling CS. She didn't have to be honest with him. But she had to know that there was never going to be a good time to do it on the show and it was going to be a factor in his decision. Really, how could it not? It's not like he's known Jade for years with a wealth of information to counter alance that. It's not like he isn't dating other women and making comparisons. It's not like it wasn't awkward, but it was awkward! And it was awkward while being filmed!! Because of all of this, this show was not the right venue for Jade to find a guy.

Jade seems very kind and caring. She seems like she would like to be in a relationship. Unfortunately, she made certain decisions in her life that have since complicated her relationships. Those are her choices. She was entitled to them. But, the men that she may potentially want to date also are entitled to their choices. She will need to find a special guy who will be accepting of her past, and she will need to learn how to broach the topic with a guy. can't spring it on him too soon or he will run before he gets invested. Can't wait too long, or else the secret will weigh too heavily on her and he will feel like she hid it from him. She's in a tough spot. I don't envy her, in this regard. I think she has had a tough time and will continue to have a tough time, until such time that she finds that one special guy who is right for her. I wish her the best, though. I really do.

[stuckinsc]

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Regarding Jade:  Nobody can ever be 100% prepared for how they will behave while on the show. There's the 25 other women. There's the cameras. There's the group dates. None of it is a natural setting. So, I can understand if somebody's real or whole personality wasn't expressed or shown. So, secret or no secret, I can understand jade appearing or acting more shy than her normal self.

However, Jade should have known from past experience that her PB video and nude photos could potentially be a dealbreaker for a guy. She went on the show knowing that this was in her past. I give her a lot of credit for being honest and for telling CS. She didn't have to be honest with him. But she had to know that there was never going to be a good time to do it on the show and it was going to be a factor in his decision. Really, how could it not? It's not like he's known Jade for years with a wealth of information to counter alance that. It's not like he isn't dating other women and making comparisons. It's not like it wasn't awkward, but it was awkward! And it was awkward while being filmed!!  Because of all of this, this show was not the right venue for Jade to find a guy.

Jade seems very kind and caring. She seems like she would like to be in a relationship. Unfortunately, she made certain decisions in her life that have since complicated her relationships.  Those are her choices. She was entitled to them. But, the men that she may potentially want to date also are entitled to their choices. She will need to find a special guy who will be accepting of her past, and she will need to learn how to broach the topic with a guy. can't spring it on him too soon or he will run before he gets invested. Can't wait too long, or else the secret will weigh too heavily on her and he will feel like she hid it from him.  She's in a tough spot. I don't envy her, in this regard. I think she has had a tough time and will continue to have a tough time, until such time that she finds that one special guy who is right for her. I wish her the best, though. I really do.  

I agree with you. My only hesitation is that lurker said she hangs out with the people from Vanderplum Rules. If this is true it changes my opinion of her. I don't know if you have seen it, but my hubby loves it. The people on there are beautiful on the outside and vile, nasty and just plain mean on the inside. If those truly are her friends I can see the the wild mustang would have been hiding a lot during the filming. I don't know if it is true, but if it is. Yuck to Jade's taste in friends.

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