Re: Bachelor 19 - Chris Soules - Screencaps Analysis Thread - #2 - *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

[mindless]

I do not see 3 doors.

I circled the handles.

[albean99]

Excellent job everyone!    It definitely looks like Becca is in Jade's limo. As far as the limo we see out front, there's nothing to say that they didn't use it for CH & some of the others since they probably rented them for the day. I'm sure he & other producers have to get out there early. There would have been plenty of time to send it back for Whitney later. 

If Becca is later as some are concluding, how is it that the sun is shining in her window on her face? ITA with Lucas' conclusions about the sun/angles. The drive is straight west and then north. At no point would the sun be shining in her side window on her even in the fall unless she were heading back to Des Moines. Whitney, on the other hand, has sun coming in from the other side of the limo and that fits with her going towards the FRC. To me the sun was lower in the sky with Whitney's because of the angle it hits the seat. Earlier in the day it would have been more overhead.

[sfrank]

We obviously can't truly say anything with certainty but I think we can say that we sleuthed with high probability the following:

- Becca is likely in the same limo as Jade's limo given the perfect match of the interior upholstery:


- Becca/Jade limo exterior likely the same as the aerial shot of the limo going FRC (matching rims and side panels):



- Whitney limo interior is a perfect match to limo model parked in front of hotel and that limo's exterior window grilling is a perfect match to limo with Whitney's interior:

[chiliwhili]

Don't forget there are two possible ways to get to the farm, the last part of one of them is going south.  They either could have taken Becca that way or she is heading away from FRC, but she does look to be heading south based on the way the sun is hitting here.  If she is even driving.....could always be a "stock" shot!!

https://i.servimg.com/u/f38/19/16/15/94/image12.jpg

[GuardianAngel]

Becca's interior matched to what mindless found as well.

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I researched this for hours yesterday and the limo Becca is in is a specific 2008 model that doesn't seem to be very common. And it's not just the seats that are a match, it's the black frame around the back window. If you look at the pictures of the limo in front of the hotel and the limo driving down the road, not only does the limo driving lack the divisions between the side windows, the back window also looks different, smaller from the outside that is. That matches Becca's limo. The TV screen position also matches. I have no doubt in my mind which limo Becca is in.

Here are a few links to limos that are the same model as Becca's:
http://www.crownlimos.com/Tiffany_Lincoln_Limos_Black.html
http://www.americanlimosales.info/2008_Lincoln_Town%20Car_Lynwood_CA_252338737.veh
http://www.getusedcar.net/detail/us/oToroTBAnTYApBpYAnnU/2008-Lincoln-Town-Car (This one's on sale quite close to Iowa)

I think Whitney's is an older model. The back window and seats match these:
http://limoforsale.com/limos-for-sale/lincoln/town-car-l/2005-lincoln-town-car-l-sedan-stretch-limo-dabryan-3019.html
http://www.luxorlimo.com/fleet-detail-lincoln-limousine-bl.html
http://www.onthetownlimousines.com/lincoln-stretch-limousine

They are both the same size, so that doesn't tell us who the "winner" is, but IMO Whitney is most probably in a limo like the one seen outside the hotel and Becca is definitely in the one seen in the preview.

I also agree with Aunties_Love that Whitney seems to be in the limo earlier in the day than Becca based on sunlight. I thought the opposite before the latest preview with sun on Becca's face, but not anymore. And I come from a snowy cold climate myself, so I'm quite familiar with winter sunlight.

[mindless]

The picture of the limo in front of the hotel was tweeted at 12:56 PM, which is around 3 h before the final woman arrived at the rose ceremony, if we estimate based on those ABC media pics of Chris in the barn. That sounds about right for the F2 IMO. Unless they drove Whitney around for 3 hours on purpose.  

There are two routes to get to the farm that take about the same time. The pink takes 6 minutes longer and goes south the final mile or so. My guess is that they took the F1 that way, so as to avoid accidentally passing by the other limo, which would be a disaster obviously. Based on the map it's also probably a more scenic route. Would have to check on Google maps how it really looks like.



My theory is that they took Whitney there and back via the fastest boring route. Becca was taken via the more scenic route so she'd see that it's not so bad in Iowa and so that she wouldn't pass by Whitney's limo. The shots of her in the limo when it's cloudy are from earlier, which is why she looks more awake in those, and the shots with sun on her face are from the last mile. That's why she looks so spaced. 1.5 h in a car does that to you. JMO. I also think it's very possible that she actually is inside the limo driving through the fields, because the sun direction in that shot is consistent with shots of her inside it. It's also driving down a smaller country road, which is also consistent with the last mile of the journey. It would also make sense that if they're shooting from a helicopter, then it's near the farm. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

[chiliwhili]

Completely agree with you here mindless!

[GuardianAngel]

FYI - there were two tweets with the limo pic outside the hotel. The original tweet by The Harold? then later by some fan who took it upon themselves not to credit anyone, and appeared that she took the pic which was later. I don't have the exact times, Kasha discovered that.

[julychild]

Wow, you all have been busy bees, and have done a thorough analysis of those limos. Congrats, super sleuthers :youdaman:

[Guest]

I love your analysis Mindless. Thank you for all the work!

[mindless]

FYI - there were two tweets with the limo pic outside the hotel. The original tweet by The Harold? then later by some fan who took it upon themselves not to credit anyone, and appeared that she took the pic which was later. I don't have the exact times, Kasha discovered that.

Yes, this is the original at 12:56 PM: https://twitter.com/TelegraphHerald/status/536231844539547648

[GuardianAngel]

FYI - there were two tweets with the limo pic outside the hotel. The original tweet by The Harold? then later by some fan who took it upon themselves not to credit anyone, and appeared that she took the pic which was later. I don't have the exact times, Kasha discovered that.

Yes, this is the original at 12:56 PM: https://twitter.com/TelegraphHerald/status/536231844539547648

Great thanks! Lightening speed around here when we ask for something!

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