Re: Bachelor 19 - Chris Soules - Screencaps Analysis Thread - #2 - *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

[Aunties_Love]

Kasha, the one thing that confusses me though....the outside of the limos have the vertical bars or hand holds for lack of a better word by the doors.  The limo driving down the road does not.  not to mention the one sc we have of the lino driving down the road is the longer one which if I haven't completely misunderstood what Hotmomma and mindless were saying is Becca's?  Now the one by the hotel, isn't it like the one that Whitney is in??

I thought I could see those "handles" or vents by the doors, not to mention the extra windows versus the one long window.

Again, if you can match up that each girl is in one exterior type by looking at her interior sc go for it. I was unable to do so and had to go to sleep. 
What I was able to do in the time frame I had, was find either type of girls interior(and many more types of interior) in various types of the Lincoln Town Car Limo's, in regular limos and in stretches. 
Think about it. If you buy a car--you usually do get a choice of interior styles, fabrics and colors. Then on top of that, like Lucas said before they can be customized or switched out if need by.  It was actually my DH that sparked this idea. 
The more I started to research, the muddier it got.
Yes, we do see two different exterior limos, but if the interiors can go for either, I can't tell which girl is in which limo from the car itself. 
I do think the length of each limo we are being shown is the same.

Thanks for your thoughts.  In my muddied head....yep, getting really dark in there, I thought we were seeing Whit in the limo at the hotel based on the exterior look with the "vents/handles" for the lack of a better word and if that's the case, then the one that matches up best from my research is the one that Whitney is in due to it being like you said, the Lincoln Town Car limo.  Now the one that Becca is in and also the one that we are seeing driving on the highway doesn't "seem" to have the typical Lincoln Town Car limo exterior due to there NOT being those vents/handles around the doors/windows, and the fact that the one that Becca is in seems to be of longer windows leading to less on each side compared to the towncar one that Whit is in.  Somehow, as I had always suspected and continue to think, that Whitney does arrive earlier in the day due to the sunlight.  It is stronger and a more "whitish/bright" light compared to the subdued/orangy hue of Becca's which is more typical of either a first in the morning light or late in the day.  Now, it is obvious from the wet pavement at the hotel that it is one of the first limos to leave and as such, I am really thinking that it is Whitney's limo.  I still feel that it is one of the girl's limos at the hotel and not one for any of the crew or Chris Harrison himself.  So going on that, I really think that it is Whit's limo that we are seeing outside of the hotel.

Hope I am not muddying the waters anymore with what I have said?

[Lucas15]

Oh my! I am very tired, this limo conundrum has been eating at me. I think I may have figured it out. source--

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I don't know if I am making sense.
The bottom line is I think either interior can be exchanged and be a possible for either exteriors.
I guess it could muddy the waters more?

No I think it provides some clarity and it dovetails with something I've been working on. I think the interior photos of Becca and Whitney establish that they are in different limos but both are based on a Lincoln Town Car. The Lincoln Town Car is stretched but not always to the same size - some are 6 or 8 passenger rated and some are 10 passenger rated; obviously the 10 passenger versions are the longest. The image we see of the "driving limo" seems to be a 10 passenger stretched limo - here's an over / under shot of the driving limo and a 10 passenger stretch limo to compare lengths:



Of course we don't know who (if anyone) is actually in the driving limo, but odds are they did use a 10 passenger stretch limo for one of the girls.

Someone else has noted that the limo parked in front of the Hotel Julien in Dubuque is not as long as the driving limo and I agree - it's not. Someone has also noted that they believe they see chrome grills on the roof sides and I agree with that observation as well. I would note here that there's a shot of Jade's elimination on RS's site taken from across the street that shows a waiting limo and it shows the grills on that limo clearly. It seems logical to me that since they used that limo once already for filming in Iowa, they would use it again for FRC filming in Iowa; the big question being who did they use it for? I was able to get some screen shots of Jade's elimination from inside her limo and tried to match that interior shot to either Becca's limo shot of Whitney's limo shot. I couldn't match it to Whitney's because of how the seat belt can be seen reflecting in Jade's limo shot but I was able to match that seat belt buckle to the shot of Becca in the limo - see below (look for the seat belt buckle to the right of and above the shoulder of each girls



Since Jade's limo seems shorter than a 10 passenger limo I think that the limo we see Becca in is the same limo we see parked in front of the Hotel Julien on the day of the FRC and is the same limo they used in Jade's elimination - here it is driving away with Jade:



Now Whitney's limo seems to have a relatively common interior (but the seat belt buckle is in a different location in her interior shots) and I actually found a limo company in Des Moines (Majestic) that rents a 10 passenger Lincoln Town Car limo and they have an interior shot of that limo on their website. In addition to the logic that they would rent a limo from someplace in Iowa, what's interesting to me about the interior is that the Majestic limo has a media center on the rear window shelf which is not so common as the upholstery. Below is an over / under of Whitney's limo and the Majestic limo:



IMO there's a very good possibility that Becca was in the same limo they used for Jade's elimination and that's the same limo we saw parked in front of the Hotel Julien on the day of the FRC. I think there's also a very good possibility that Whitney was in the 10 passenger stretch limo from Majestic in Des Moines and that's the limo we see driving in the country side (though Whitney may or may not have been in it at the time).

[Aunties_Love]

But the one at the hotel has the grills/marks on the side of the limo. That matches the town car limo that Kasha found. Since Whit is in the Town Car, then that has to be her limo at the hotel and leaving first to the FRC. I don't see how it could be Becca in that limo as she didn't have the grill marks on the side...only Whits as per the towncar descriptions and pics that were found. Now the white one that you just found, would that match up to Becca`s as far as the lack of grills on the outside?

[nuts2uiam]

[quote="Aunties_Love"][quote="Kashathediva"]

snipped..........  Somehow, as I had always suspected and continue to think, that Whitney does arrive earlier in the day due to the sunlight.  It is stronger and a more "whitish/bright" light compared to the subdued/orangy hue of Becca's which is more typical of either a first in the morning light or late in the day.  Now, it is obvious from the wet pavement at the hotel that it is one of the first limos to leave and as such, I am really thinking that it is Whitney's limo.  I still feel that it is one of the girl's limos at the hotel and not one for any of the crew or Chris Harrison himself.  So going on that, I really think that it is Whit's limo that we are seeing outside of the hotel.

Hope I am not muddying the waters anymore with what I have said?

Any possibility that this would happen? As ws pointed out earlier on, there is only one way in and one way out of Lamont so the girls would have had to literally pass each other therefore the cars had to be staged so the lady that arrives second didn't see the first limo.

What about if Whitney arrives 1st, he proposes and then she has to be taken to the main house so that Becca can arrive to meet with Chris? An unexpected twist maybe? F1 arrives first?

[happygolucky]

I would agree with Lucas that the limo Jade was riding in could be the same as the one we see Becca in, the pattern of seats is the same, also behind it I think to see the same black cover. That much from me.

[nutty1]

How do you know Becca's had grills on the side?

I think Becca's and Jade's limos match.

[nutty1]

But the one at the hotel has the grills/marks on the side of the limo.  That matches the town car limo that Kasha found.  Since Whit is in the Town Car, then that has to be her limo at the hotel and leaving first to the FRC.  I don't see how it could be Becca in that limo as she didn't have the grill marks on the side...only Whits as per the towncar descriptions and pics that were found.  Now the white one that you just found, would that match up to Becca`s as far as the lack of grills on the outside?

I apologize for the double post. I think Lucas found good info with pictures to match that both girls could have been in Town Cars. Plus it looks an exact match to Jade's.

[mindless]

*snipped*

I don't know if I am making sense.
The bottom line is I think either interior can be exchanged and be a possible for either exteriors.
I guess it could muddy the waters more?

Sorry Kasha, but I researched this for hours yesterday and the limo Becca is in is a specific 2008 model that doesn't seem to be very common. And it's not just the seats that are a match, it's the black frame around the back window. If you look at the pictures of the limo in front of the hotel and the limo driving down the road, not only does the limo driving lack the divisions between the side windows, the back window also looks different, smaller from the outside that is. That matches Becca's limo. The TV screen position also matches. I have no doubt in my mind which limo Becca is in.

Here are a few links to limos that are the same model as Becca's:
http://www.crownlimos.com/Tiffany_Lincoln_Limos_Black.html
http://www.americanlimosales.info/2008_Lincoln_Town%20Car_Lynwood_CA_252338737.veh
http://www.getusedcar.net/detail/us/oToroTBAnTYApBpYAnnU/2008-Lincoln-Town-Car (This one's on sale quite close to Iowa)

I think Whitney's is an older model. The back window and seats match these:
http://limoforsale.com/limos-for-sale/lincoln/town-car-l/2005-lincoln-town-car-l-sedan-stretch-limo-dabryan-3019.html
http://www.luxorlimo.com/fleet-detail-lincoln-limousine-bl.html
http://www.onthetownlimousines.com/lincoln-stretch-limousine

They are both the same size, so that doesn't tell us who the "winner" is, but IMO Whitney is most probably in a limo like the one seen outside the hotel and Becca is definitely in the one seen in the preview.

I also agree with Aunties_Love that Whitney seems to be in the limo earlier in the day than Becca based on sunlight. I thought the opposite before the latest preview with sun on Becca's face, but not anymore. And I come from a snowy cold climate myself, so I'm quite familiar with winter sunlight.

[Miyala]

But the one at the hotel has the grills/marks on the side of the limo.  That matches the town car limo that Kasha found.  Since Whit is in the Town Car, then that has to be her limo at the hotel and leaving first to the FRC.  I don't see how it could be Becca in that limo as she didn't have the grill marks on the side...only Whits as per the towncar descriptions and pics that were found.  Now the white one that you just found, would that match up to Becca`s as far as the lack of grills on the outside?

I apologize for the double post. I think Lucas found good info with pictures to match that both girls could have been in Town Cars. Plus it looks an exact match to Jade's.

Agree with Nutty. Lucas info makes sense. Aunties_Love, I believe you think that Beccas didnt haven theese grills/marks because of that it earlier was believed that she was in the other one. Now that it has been proven that the same car can have any one of the interiors Beccas could have been the one with the marks.

[sfrank]

I capped a really good side shot of Jade's limo -- assuming we go off Lucas' theory that its the same as Becca's.  And it does based on all the sleuthing yesterday but again its the same conclusion...it's not the same one parked outside the hotel. I agree that they likely used the same company/limo in Iowa but the difference is they needed TWO at FRC. Jade's may have been given a fancy limo because they only needed ONE, IMO. Why wouldn't the limo company send their best fleet for the The Bachelor? Put your best foot forward, right?!  

At any rate, I think its clear that the one outside the hotel is not Jade's/or "Becca's limo". As Auntie sleuthed, there are clearly window grills on the limo and while she only highlighted two, I see three (one in the middle as well) on the limo outside the hotel.

Jade's/"Becca's limo" match the exterior one we get the in the promo.

Take a look...






But its most clear in Video

[Miyala]

Yea, the one with Jade (and probably Becca) seems to be the one in the field... oh, I feel like this...

[mindless]

I capped a really good side shot of Jade's limo -- assuming we go off Lucas' theory that its the same as Becca's.  And it does based on all the sleuthing yesterday but again its the same conclusion...it's not the same one parked outside the hotel. I agree that they likely used the same company/limo in Iowa but the difference is they needed TWO at FRC. Jade's may have been given a fancy limo because they only needed ONE, IMO. Why wouldn't the limo company send their best fleet for the The Bachelor? Put your best foot forward, right?!  

At any rate, I think its clear that the one outside the hotel is not Jade's/or "Becca's limo". As Auntie sleuthed, there are clearly window grills on the limo and while she only highlighted two, I see three (one in the middle as well) on the limo outside the hotel.

Jade's/"Becca's limo" match the exterior one we get the in the promo.

Take a look...






But its most clear in Video

Thank you! It is the same limo for Becca and Jade and no it doesn't have grills on the sides, just lights that look like them, when you open the door.

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