Bachelor 19 - Chris Soules - Episode 3 - *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

happygirl77us wrote:

relaxing wrote:I Loved the episode.  Pure entertainment to me.  I think I have a different take on Chris and the season than most here but I'll post a couple things anyway, then head off to lurkdom I think.  

I find this season seems like TPTB are pulling back a bit, and letting the natural moments be shown, crazy and heartfelt.  Chris and Kaitlyn were just hanging and talking so normally.  I mean, she rubbed lipstick off his mouth.    In Costco the same, with Whitney it felt the same.  The pulled back camera just let Chris be more comfortable and be himself.  His dancing at the wedding was so cute to me, and it wasn't at an awkward private concert produced moment, just a cute real moment.

The last few seasons all the one on ones have felt so produced and like the lead is following a script almost, like ask this now, talk about this now, kiss now, sitting stiffly at a table and giving the obligatory facial reactions.  So far this season, I don't see that with Chris.  It's refreshing to me.  I think Chris just has no "show" or ability to act or fake it at all (as seen in his JK interview).  He might stumble over his words, or not find the right ones or any at all,  but what he is saying is obviously him, not him being prompted from a producer off camera or reading off cue cards.  He really does seem to just be being him, a regular guy, and trying to navigate this thing, which I'd much rather watch.

I often have to force myself to get through Bachelor seasons because of habit and getting to see who the Bachette will be.  Rarely do I like the Bachelor or care about his outcome.  This season I do really hope to get to see Chris have a love story.  And I love the show leaving in and highlighting the humor - so often it's all stripped away in the name of drama.  Plus love the top 3 girls, and lots of others bring the funny & crazy without there being anyone mean spirited, so far.

Re Whitney - so cute that he was like a grade school boy with a major crush.  He's going to be so obvious.  I do find it a little too Brooks/Des-like that the spoiled F1 was shown to look into the camera and straight out say "I'm engaged to Chris Soules" plus mention their future wedding, get such romantic music including a prior F1's theme song, etc.  Too much for the show to put out there in ep 3?  I don't know . Felt a bit over the top and like something's up, like showing Des saying she loved Brooks before HTDs and baiting everyone that of course the spoilers are right.  A bit weird.  But given how Chris acted with her, if she is F1 and it will be so obvious they will have no choice and might as well show a romantic love story, I guess, which is a bonus to me.

       

JBF wrote:*chuckle chuckle* Re-watching Whitney's date.

When commenting on Chris' dance moves, she says he can do "the shopping cart" and "the lawn mower". At Cosco, Kaitlyn says she will push the shopping cart and he says he will "navigate".

Oh I am going to enjoy this season if nobody else does.

AllAboutLove wrote:Great points JBF!

A lot can be said about F1 but it is always harder to pinpoint if that F1 is still with the lead post-show. Chris saying he got back to plowing those fields within 24 hrs post-FRC is probably just to evade answering the engaged or not question. Still, not that great, imo, if he hardly spent time with his F1.

His time on JKL and even with Jimmy and the girls (including Whitney and Kaitlyn) he doesn't come across as the best conversationalist, or a conversationalist at all. I learned more about Kaitlyn from JK than any questions Chris asked. It's as if he is not that interested in anything beneath the surface level or just having *fun*. His/TPTB note to Whitney on the date card was about having fun and not whining...

Thanks to Ladybug for this SC. (I found the no whining part really odd to say the least.)

Even with Britt, he seemed like he was no longer having fun with her or that physically interested in her let alone interested in her beneath the surface (he said in an interview they didn't even get to the part of finding out what Britt did for a living   ).

So for me, he doesn't come across sincere about finding a wife on a deep, lasting level. And yet, as you brought up, he questions the girls motives and says he is serious and so they can leave if they question his motives/don't believe him? And the edit of Whitney's skepticism? (He came across passive-aggressive to me in that. His behavior for me alone discredits what he says at that point of time... even if his motive may match his words). 

Sharleen in her blog covering this episode and others stated that it is Chris's gentlemanly nature to not reject the advances of the girls and thus kiss them back (boy oh boy, to me that sends red flags for future indiscretions and excuses of "I didn't want to hurt her feelings"....). Ugh!   I am not buying that it is gentlemanyly behavior. At all! It would be more gentlemanly if one is not interested in someone as a potential wife at all (ugh, hello Mackenzie, Ashley I, Amber, etc) to not to lead them on in that way. Certainly he doesn't come across as sincere and serious about a wife, imo, being a kissing bandit and unable to not kiss back - whether he initiated kissing or not, he barely initiates even in conversations... he is that passive of a lead.

In conversations his comments are very generic and he seems to like a little drink here and there so he could have just been happy-happy when being with Whitney on their date. So far I am just waiting to see some depth with Chris. He really needs to kick it into gear or the editing needs to help him (unless it already is???! And he was even worse than he is coming across? :shootme: )

northernviewer wrote:below, in the note about "whining"... I think it was just them spelling "wining" (wine date) with a wh, the same as her name is spelled Whitney,  and had nothing to with implying that she was a whiner or anything like that.  

AllAboutLove wrote:snipped...

Thanks to Ladybug for this SC. (I found the no whining part really odd to say the least.)

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