The Bachelor Canada - Season 2 - Episode 6 - Oct 21 - Discussion - *Spoilers*

I have said it before but my biggest issue with the short length of these episodes is they cut out a lot! And we never get to see what the 'big' things are really about.

If it wasn't for the blogs we wouldn't know about April meeting Tim's best friend. If it wasn't for interviews we wouldn't know that Tim met with his parents during TO and as he said, when they saw him then, during that time, they knew his smile signaled he would be juuuust fine. All of this is off-camera.

A lot has been edited and put on the cutting floor, including Lisa's 'drunken' kiss in the bar which the whole Lisa debacle/Episode 6 is about, as well as her being drunk the past episode. So, for me, Screen Caps, VO, PI, ITM, what-have you are not enough for this season to go off of.

I went with what I saw first episode and noticed Trish and April from the get go. I pegged April as F1, and Trish as F2 (for me, obvious vs. hidden, but for different reasons). This doesn't mean they are. I just find that the blog where April talks about meeting Tim's bf, Tim's personal twitter favoriting a tweet about April (and no one else or anything else BachCanada related), these things confirm what I thought episode one. They are not necessary to have been done by either April or Tim. If they didn't do these things it wouldn't matter. So they are included because they are personal. April and Tim chose to do these things post-show. Can it be misdirection? Absolutely. But just going by how Tim looks at someone, what dates he is on, what he says, is really not enough for this extremely short, edited, bare bones without the blogs, season.

If I was a fan of Sachelle, for example, I would be extremely frustrated with her edit as being just a friend. I would search and search for any possible clue that she is being edited that way but really she is the one. But for me, I don't go according to whom I like personally or even whom I think would be a good match for Tim. I just go by what is the most compellingly personal thing that the lead is doing or even not doing and match that up with post-show behaviour (usually they slip up by revealing something since it is very hard not to).

This being said, I can see anyone being F1 depending on what one wants to focus on, being a fan, whom Tim should pick, physical connection, emotional, chasing, chased, hidden, obvious, etc. So really there is evidence for any of them based on one's criteria... that is what makes it fun! Keep posting Aunties, it is good to have some balance and different perspectives!

Aunties_Love wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:

newfiegirl wrote:When Tim says to Trish that he is nervous the final woman standing will reject his proposal, I wonder if he is referring to April as the final one and is unsure of how she (April) will react as the F1. April has not opened up fully to Tim and he is definitely doing the chasing with her and this would cause doubts with Tim as to how she would react if she were the F1. Just my observations. I think April's doubts increase when Sachelle is let go after the HTD and Lisa is still around (these are just my guesses) and that is why she has the conversation with Tim about wanting to leave.

I stated this in my post since Tim was not directing that statement to Trish at all. It was almost like he was confiding in her. And her response was so oh, well that is nice that you have concerns! She never said, well don't have concerns about me! Neither of them personalized their responses back to themselves.

And then he gives her a gift (aka consolation prize, imo) and she has more emotion about that gift than she directs toward Tim! She kisses him and he just sits there arms crossed. LOL. I was laughing/scoffing at the whole thing. He was so disengaged. 

One needs to keep in mind that they flew together on planes. I am assuming if they flew together Bach and Bettes then the girls had to have an idea of his interest. Kaylynn knew she was going home, she mentioned that she was thinking it was her and it was. Lisa is the 'resident villain' as she states on her IG profile. April was the only one that was super excited to get a rose and the only one that Tim was grinning away at when he gave it to her. We know he took her on the vespa (he took her on his motorbike in TO) and had breakfast with her. 

There is so much that is not shown and so much of it is all about these experiences between April and Tim it's as if their whole relationship is not being shown except for all the 'concern/doubt' parts. If anything, it is April that leaves because she doubts Tim and thinks he is nonsense. I find it interesting that someone posted the SM pic where they said they were in Cabo or Bahamas and saw Tim there and they called him a douche. So either he is that or he is super, super genuine about love and the only one I can see that with is April. Everyone else is fun, drama, or boredom, imo.

Regarding the bolded.  It still amazes me(don't know why at this point of watching so many seasons)that people watching the same show and see completely different things.  I don't think at all that it was a boring episode, Tim seemed really enamored with Trish.  She's the only one that he kisses and tries to get her hand intertwined and wrapped around his.  It's true that Tim and the women have travelled together(I am thinking a private plane as Brad did as well) to their destinations and have stayed together in one locale.  For example, I thought I read somewhere(can't remember where) that Tim stayed in the casa, resorts in mexico, bahamas together so between travelling on the same plane, staying at the same place and spending more time together in a group, Tim may have a better idea of who he wants.  I think that there is more there between Trish and Tim than maybe is being thought of at first glance.  The other thing that makes me think that the F1 is someone other than April is that in Brad's blogs, he keeps going on about how April is the final 1 in his mind....IMO, he knows what happened and because of that, he's taking heat off the actual F1 and putting it onto April.  Because he is the "company man" for season 2, there's no way he would say one girl is the F1(April) and ruin the season.  To me, one of the other 3 girls is actually the F1.  Sorry, but how do we know he took April to the Vespa and had breakfast with her?  I know that she said in her blog about having breakfast at the casa in Tuscany(I believe because she's talking in plural form: we, us, all.. there was more having breakfast than just April and Tim)Can you direct me to the blog, article, etc about that??

Another thing that I noticed is that Tim doesn't constantly look at the girls he's talking with.  He does take his gaze off of them and that is not only for Lisa, Sachelle and Trisha, but also for April equally.  He tends to get his gaze down when he's in thought versus constantly looking at someone.

Another thing...since April has had the least amount of Tim on screen time including cocktail parties, rose ceremony, and special times....Isn't that indicitive of someone that isn't F1?

With regards to April's screen time, a lot of their time together have been delibrately left off tv. The time on the swing, the time at the cocktail part where kaylynn flipped, their time with his friends, their time on the vespa and who knows how many more.  i honestly at this stage dont see anyone as F1 apart from April. Her blogs also tell of a journey and a natural progression into a relationship.
The production have however done a good job to hype Trisha up this week so we think its a close race but it really isnt a race any more as April is home dry IMO[/quote]

northernviewer wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

northernviewer wrote:My gut tells me that he wasn't so much keeping Lisa as he was letting an emotionally attached Kaylynn go home before her family got involved.  When listening to Tim's post show interviews, he often talks about how he tried to respect the sacrifices that the girls made to be there and that he didn't want to waste anybody's time.  I think he did grow to like Kaylynn and this was just his attempt to spare her feelings.  

So are you thinking he actually cared less for Lisa and more for Kaylynn, but knows that there isn't really a future with either, but still has to take one to the HTD's?  If you are, that does make sense as he may keep Lisa to F2 just so that others that he cares more about don't get more attached than they already are...hope that makes sense?

Ya - that's exactly what I meant. I think we all could see how fragile kaylynn is and it was a case of "you have to be cruel to be kind". I really felt bad for her last night but I think tim did the right thing under the circumstances even  if it made Lisa gloat a little more that she got away with something.  I don't think was fooled by her after sachelle filled him in.

I agree with that. I think that he feels less for Lisa than Kaylynn and it is kinder to get rid of her first and not put her and her family through it all.

Who thinks that Lisa could be the easy to take to F2 as Whit was in season 1?

Looks like Sharleen shares some similar thoughts in regards to his date with Trisha last night:

"Trisha received the first one-on-one, or as Tim deemed it, by far the most romantic date he’d ever been on. Strong words coming from the Bachelor himself. I like Trisha but there’s something between these two I’m just not buying. I see the chemistry and basic compatibility, but when Tim is with Trisha he’s a bit more one-note than we’ve seen him with some other girls. Yes, he’s caring and romantic and ever the consummate gentleman, but his darker, wry side seems stunted. Also, I don’t really feel a complete equality with these two. It’s as though there’s too much power in Tim’s corner, with Trisha feeling far too “who, me?” about the attention he gives her. The way she said, “Dancing with Tim, I feel like the most important person in the world,” with tears in her eyes and a self-conscious laugh, it’s as though Trisha doesn't recognize her own value and has placed Tim on a pedestal."

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I think if April really did leave then they'd be showing a lot more of her to mislead us. Instead they're leaving out a lot of their more intimate interactions. It must be in order to downplay their obvious connection.

See2Love... that is what makes it fun! And I love hearing how others view things, for me that is what I love about this forum. We are all different people and often we see things, even if we are unbiased, through the lens of our own life experiences. Makes it exciting!

Regarding kissing Trish, with Lisa he kissed her big time! She even tilted her head back and he caressed her neck. With Sachelle all they did was talk about Lisa but we know she is friendzoned or edited that way at least. He definitely has fun with Trish. I just focused on his body language when she gets the gift and then kisses him, he didn't even raise his hands or uncross them and he usually likes to kiss with his hands by the women's face. To me, that is body language of disengaged. I know I would feel that way if I was being pursued by a man and he didn't initiate or respond with some passion. I would tell my bff if she was dating someone and they acted that way that he is just not that into you. I could be totally wrong and he could have just been feeling off that day or not well/tired?

For me, the show is very short, a ton is cut out, and the narrative is difficult to follow since so much of it is VO or "Lisa did this terrible thing but the viewers cannot see what it is". The same has happened with April and her meeting Tim's bf and bf fiance. We wouldn't know these things based on what we see. They are all off-camera. So this season is difficult to peg based on what is seen.

In many ways, I feel like what is off-camera is the true story and what we see is really just filler. It is why I place more emphasis on the blogs and what is stated in this episode about Lisa (and the two sides to the story, Lisa's and the girls) than what is seen. We didn't see any of it so it is what we are told happened whether by the girls/Lisa recounting it all in this episode or in their blogs. Therein lies the real narrative, and very little on camera.

It doesn't matter if its a one hour show or a 2 hour show, they always leave a lot on the cutting room floor. So I don't think it makes a difference to what they are showing us. IMO they are leaving a lot out just as they do in a 2 hour epi.

Ash2214 wrote:Looks like Sharleen shares some similar thoughts in regards to his date with Trisha last night:

"Trisha received the first one-on-one, or as Tim deemed it, by far the most romantic date he’d ever been on. Strong words coming from the Bachelor himself. I like Trisha but there’s something between these two I’m just not buying. I see the chemistry and basic compatibility, but when Tim is with Trisha he’s a bit more one-note than we’ve seen him with some other girls. Yes, he’s caring and romantic and ever the consummate gentleman, but his darker, wry side seems stunted. Also, I don’t really feel a complete equality with these two. It’s as though there’s too much power in Tim’s corner, with Trisha feeling far too “who, me?” about the attention he gives her. The way she said, “Dancing with Tim, I feel like the most important person in the world,” with tears in her eyes and a self-conscious laugh, it’s as though Trisha doesn't recognize her own value and has placed Tim on a pedestal."

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Sharleen is a sharp cookie. I tend to agree with alot (not all tho) of what she says; and I do think she unfortunately has nailed the Tim/Trish relationship in the paragraph above.

GA, while I do agree a lot goes to the cutting floor, this season is different for me because of the additional Bach and Bette blogs. They have provided some very significant details to the narrative that have obviously been included intentionally via this medium. I highly doubt they are allowed to post something without at least someone proofing the post for spoilers or for things that are not true? But, that is just how I am viewing this season. If I watched it purely based on the show I agree that I would come to the same conclusions I have but with less to support those conclusions. Again, just me.

bachfan85 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:Like other's have posted, if Lisa sticks around I can see April questioning what she is doing there if Tim is keeping Lisa.

If he's ok with a F5 at the time, making out with someone else, does that mean it's ok for him post show to do the same? That's how I would feel.

Therefore I think he lets Sachelle go and Lisa is F3 and this happens after the RC. Do we actually see April say she wants to leave or is it in a V/O?

Also, I didn't quite get what Lisa said to Tim, she said she did the two cheek kiss, then what? I got interrupted and missed it.

I ask, because during the park preview, he asks what really happened, and when Sachelle was telling him about Lisa, he said in an PI that it's a different story than what he was told. Which makes me wonder why he kept Lisa knowing Sachelle's story didn't jive with Lisa's.

She said that she did the 2 cheek kiss then the guy kissed her.  Where as listening to Sachelle, it was obviously more than a quick kiss and done as Lisa went back for more.  I got the feeling from hearing the other girls talk, they too saw more than a simple kiss.

I saw a lot more in Tim's and Trisha's date than others are thinking.  To me, it seemed like Tim was really into the date so who knows.  I saw him initiating contact between them.  She is also the only one whose hand he kisses and really likes entertwining their arms and hands in any way possible.  As I think you said or at least questioned tonight GA, could their date of been that much of a game changer for him too considering that he said that it was very surprising, romantic and he was totally happy and comfortable around her(those last things he actually told her versus it being an ITM)  The other thing that I noticed is that he was hands on with her tonight more than I have seen him be with her
before...

I also noticed in Trisha's after the rose diary she says "..leading into hometown dates it's just such a good place to be, feeling so confident in my relationship with Tim. And I'm excited to introduce him into my family" It's almost as if she is alluding that she already knows they will be together. Wouldn't it make more sense to say introduce him "to" my family as opposed to "into".

Maybe i'm looking too far into it but I feel like she is a dark horse in the competition. Everyone keeps saying it's April but it seems too obvious and to be honest she is quite boring. Then again it's hard to decide between the diamonds and the hometown date. I would definitely say April and Trisha are F1/F2

I agree with you and something else I noticed is that their blogs and ITM's mirrored each other. I just see that there is something there between Tim and Trish that is being hidden so to speak. Their storyline is really heating up now. There are a lot of similiarities between how Bianka's dates and Trish's dates are being edited. Guess time will tell though.

mindless wrote:I think if April really did leave then they'd be showing a lot more of her to mislead us. Instead they're leaving out a lot of their more intimate interactions. It must be in order to downplay their obvious connection.

is there proof of her leaving?

since April has had the least amount of Tim on screen time including cocktail parties, rose ceremony, and special times....Isn't that indicitive of someone that isn't F1?

I think not at all. She's just a hidden F1 - because I believe it would have been too obvious to show more. (It's already pretty darn obvious to me, so it's good they are hiding her.)