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Post by joshfan Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:46 am

And with the date card, i mean honestly marcus and lacy had multiple dates and all guys had a date card. Except graham. If i was ashlee, i would be pretty pissed. Idk if she was pissed that she didnt get a datr but it seems she was genuinely upset by the fact that graham did miss out cause he did deserve one. I mean he should have had that privilege to invite a girl on a date. And perhaps ashlee who is invested in graham really wanted the opport to be asked out a legit date away from others and the beach. Jmo

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Post by chloep Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:46 am

^^ The "hatred" for AshLee has very little to do with her craziness this season(Though it certainly doesn't help her case).... Her ways are well documented on this forum... From her attention-whorism to her desperate attempts to hook-up with every Bach alum, to her shallow, vain and petty personality.... 2cents



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Post by umngirl Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:50 am

joshfan wrote:Can someone explain to me why ashlee is so hated? To me I understand why she was so attached to graham first ep. I mean similar to clare they both wanted to settle down instead of exploring other options. I mean they both knew zack and graham were the ones they were gonna pursue. Why break that bond? If it was me, i would try hard to maintain something i believe is special. Esp someone like graham. And with the badmouthing clare i get it. But ashlee did say she did see clare as someone unlike her (ashlee has pastor parents and she easily judged clare who supposedly got in on with juan pablo) but don't we all judge to easily sometimes? And the whole camera thing, i would be surprised too because cameras are usually up in ur face or u can see them while they are filming u. It's understandable that she was wondering why there were no cameras arouns. As for the mic, i have no idea. I think its pure editing. Even in michelles blog she mentioned ashlee did do sweet things that werent shown. And in the season preview, ashlee is clearly there for the girls. Supporting them as they cry etc. and tbh if u pay attention to her and graham in scenes like in the background. They seem pretty happy. He is always touching her. So i do think something good happened between them but for some reason they couldnt make it work outside. Though i did read somewhere that they tried making it work outside. Ashlee even considered moving to la or ny wherever graham was. So i hope their breakup isnt too brutal sad graham wouldnt hurt her too much though. But preview seems like it would be really dramatic. Sorry for the ramble but i do see where ashlee is coming from. As for graham and ashlee i must admit i am a fan

I have NEVER been a fan of AshLee. I don't like her. Some of the stuff she's said and done I don't approve of. I am also a fan of Graham so I wouldn't want him to be stuck dating AshLee. He deserves better than her.


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Post by joshfan Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:58 am

chloep wrote:^^ The "hatred" for AshLee has very little to do with her craziness this season(Though it certainly doesn't help her case).... Her ways are well documented on this forum... From her attention-whorism to her desperate attempts to hook-up with every Bach alum, to her shallow, vain and petty personality.... 2cents

Oh i havent seen. Where can i find it in the forum?

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Post by Beeleever Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:30 am

Every single woman on #BIP has said she is fake to the camera. Even Graham said you are who you are, camera or no camera. If you are two different people, then one of them is for show...

The whole supposedly caught off camera convo with Zack was the turning point. And then to lie to Clare and say it was just show talk? Ummm....no.
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Post by albean99 Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:14 pm

joshfan wrote:
chloep wrote:^^ The "hatred" for AshLee has very little to do with her craziness this season(Though it certainly doesn't help her case).... Her ways are well documented on this forum... From her attention-whorism to her desperate attempts to hook-up with every Bach alum, to her shallow, vain and petty personality.... 2cents

Oh i havent seen. Where can i find it in the forum?
I can't tell you exactly where but I did a search for her name and here are the results:

https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/search?search_keywords=Ashlee+Frazier


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Post by dw_a_mom Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:44 pm

joshfan wrote:Can someone explain to me why ashlee is so hated? To me I understand why she was so attached to graham first ep. I mean similar to clare they both wanted to settle down instead of exploring other options. I mean they both knew zack and graham were the ones they were gonna pursue. Why break that bond? If it was me, i would try hard to maintain something i believe is special. Esp someone like graham. And with the badmouthing clare i get it. But ashlee did say she did see clare as someone unlike her (ashlee has pastor parents and she easily judged clare who supposedly got in on with juan pablo) but don't we all judge to easily sometimes? And the whole camera thing, i would be surprised too because cameras are usually up in ur face or u can see them while they are filming u. It's understandable that she was wondering why there were no cameras arouns. As for the mic, i have no idea. I think its pure editing. Even in michelles blog she mentioned ashlee did do sweet things that werent shown. And in the season preview, ashlee is clearly there for the girls. Supporting them as they cry etc. and tbh if u pay attention to her and graham in scenes like in the background. They seem pretty happy. He is always touching her. So i do think something good happened between them but for some reason they couldnt make it work outside. Though i did read somewhere that they tried making it work outside. Ashlee even considered moving to la or ny wherever graham was. So i hope their breakup isnt too brutal sad graham wouldnt hurt her too much though. But preview seems like it would be really dramatic. Sorry for the ramble but i do see where ashlee is coming from. As for graham and ashlee i must admit i am a fan

It is hard to know what Graham really thinks of Askley since she pretty much laid down the law in the very first episode essentially showing him that he would be in for a miserable time in Paradise if he crosses her.  He's a guy and she is beautiful, so of course a part of him at least likes her, but more than that?  We've heard a lot of direct quotes from Graham about not being at the same place as she is, and about how he couldn't have cared a less about not ever having a date card, etc.  The very first episode he had to confront her about her behavior.

All that said, I don't "hate" her, but I most certainly would be cautious around her. And it is clear that she suffocates her men and can be very controlling. Those are all things we've seen that didn't need editing.



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Just give me something that looks like a real love story to help me escape into my own version of fantasy for a while. And maybe against the odds one of those stories will actually survive real life. Nothing wrong with a little hope, right?
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Post by dw_a_mom Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:45 pm

joshfan wrote:And with the date card, i mean honestly marcus and lacy had multiple dates and all guys had a date card. Except graham. If i was ashlee, i would be pretty pissed. Idk if she was pissed that she didnt get a datr but it seems she was genuinely upset by the fact that graham did miss out cause he did deserve one. I mean he should have had that privilege to invite a girl on a date. And perhaps ashlee who is invested in graham really wanted the opport to be asked out a legit date away from others and the beach. Jmo

Part of me wonders if Graham had quietly hinted to the producers he didn't really need a date card, ie that he wasn't that interested in spending more private time with AshLee.


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Post by mtnlvr55 Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:03 pm

dw_a_mom wrote:
joshfan wrote:And with the date card, i mean honestly marcus and lacy had multiple dates and all guys had a date card. Except graham. If i was ashlee, i would be pretty pissed. Idk if she was pissed that she didnt get a datr but it seems she was genuinely upset by the fact that graham did miss out cause he did deserve one. I mean he should have had that privilege to invite a girl on a date. And perhaps ashlee who is invested in graham really wanted the opport to be asked out a legit date away from others and the beach. Jmo

Part of me wonders if Graham had quietly hinted to the producers he didn't really need a date card, ie that he wasn't that interested in spending more private time with AshLee.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised. The other possibility is that they didn't give a date card to him to see if they could get a reaction from Ashlee.
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Post by stuckinsc Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:36 pm

What is interesting is except for at the rose ceremonies and their one date, you don't usually see them sitting together or hanging out when they show those scenes. To me that spoke volumes about them not being more than a couple on the show.
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Post by Cker Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:52 pm

Hi there. This is sort of off topic. I just want to give you a heads up about tonight. No spoiler stuff laugh out loud... Don't be surprised if the show is pre-empted at 8 pm. There is a big sports news story today regarding the release of football player Ray Rice from Baltimore. This has to do with a domestic violence situation that was handled poorly for those who don't follow professional football. If you want to know more just search Ray Rice Baltimore Ravens. The Ravens have scheduled a live press conference for 8 pm est(as of the time of this post) and if the networks carry it, The bachelor in paradise may be pre-empted.

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Post by umngirl Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:58 pm

^While it's a big topic, I don't think the show will be pre-empted. ESPN will definitely carry it live. I would be shocked if the major networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) cut into their regular programming. It's not like it's the POTUS speaking.


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