Re: Andi Dorfman and Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - Media - Twitter - General Discussion Thread #2

[stuckinsc]

Why do people think that Andi and Josh are planning to rush into marriage?  I know they said some announcement was forthcoming, but if it is about announcing a date, maybe that date is sometime next spring?  I heard them say that they were considering marrying on the anniversary of their engagement, May 9.  That's still more than 8 months away, so plenty of time, IMO, to make sure they're really compatible.

Regarding why the ATFR was "The Nick Show", for me, there's no mystery, and it has nothing to do with the producers' feelings about Andi or Josh.  Nick was this season's villain, and even after filming ended, Nick kept the story and suspense alive by continuing to pursue Andi (or falling for the producers' manipulations to get him to continue to pursue her) and they were hoping/expecting to turn this series of events into an explosive episode, which is exactly what happened.  (For all we know, they try this every season with the heartbroken F2, and Nick was the only one to fully take the bait.) They teased it enough to goose ratings for the ATFR, then because it was so explosive, they even got mentioned in TIME magazine, right?  Couldn't have worked out better for them.

I agree.  Especially with the bolded---IMO, they tried this with F2 in Sean's season, but Lindsay wouldn't do the dirty job for them 'cause she truly loved Sean.  But they had more luck with the F3 instead...hence the most explosive WTA ever!!!

We are leaving out a major difference between Sean as the lead and Andi as the lead. Sean did not have sex with Lindsey or any of his girls. So she could not bring that up at all. Andi chose to have sex with two men. She did leave herself open to it being brought up. As I have been reminded a lot of the past couple of posts. We have no idea if Sean had had sex with both his F2 if F2 would have said something or not.

[vivi2]

Why do people think that Andi and Josh are planning to rush into marriage?  I know they said some announcement was forthcoming, but if it is about announcing a date, maybe that date is sometime next spring?  I heard them say that they were considering marrying on the anniversary of their engagement, May 9.  That's still more than 8 months away, so plenty of time, IMO, to make sure they're really compatible.

Regarding why the ATFR was "The Nick Show", for me, there's no mystery, and it has nothing to do with the producers' feelings about Andi or Josh.  Nick was this season's villain, and even after filming ended, Nick kept the story and suspense alive by continuing to pursue Andi (or falling for the producers' manipulations to get him to continue to pursue her) and they were hoping/expecting to turn this series of events into an explosive episode, which is exactly what happened.  (For all we know, they try this every season with the heartbroken F2, and Nick was the only one to fully take the bait.) They teased it enough to goose ratings for the ATFR, then because it was so explosive, they even got mentioned in TIME magazine, right?  Couldn't have worked out better for them.

I agree.  Especially with the bolded---IMO, they tried this with F2 in Sean's season, but Lindsay wouldn't do the dirty job for them 'cause she truly loved Sean.  But they had more luck with the F3 instead...hence the most explosive WTA ever!!!

We are leaving out a major difference between Sean as the lead and Andi as the lead.  Sean did not have sex with Lindsey or any of his girls. So she could not bring that up at all. Andi chose to have sex with two men.  She did leave herself open to it being brought up.  As I have been reminded a lot of the past couple of posts.  We have no idea if Sean had had sex with both his F2 if F2 would have said something or not.  

Lindsay had her heart broken by Sean, she could have said something like Ashlee's . It didn't have to be sex in the FS. It could be anything...

The FS is there for a reason--the leads can have sex with all F3 if they want and IMO, most of them do. Why only the F2 of this season "slipped" ????

[Ash2214]

I agree.  Especially with the bolded---IMO, they tried this with F2 in Sean's season, but Lindsay wouldn't do the dirty job for them 'cause she truly loved Sean.  But they had more luck with the F3 instead...hence the most explosive WTA ever!!!

We are leaving out a major difference between Sean as the lead and Andi as the lead.  Sean did not have sex with Lindsey or any of his girls. So she could not bring that up at all. Andi chose to have sex with two men.  She did leave herself open to it being brought up.  As I have been reminded a lot of the past couple of posts.  We have no idea if Sean had had sex with both his F2 if F2 would have said something or not.  

Lindsay had her heart broken by Sean, she could have said something like Ashlee's . It didn't have to be sex in the FS.  It could be anything...

The FS is there for a reason--the leads can have sex with all F3 if they want and IMO, most of them do.  Why only the F2 of this season "slipped" ????

Love has many different components. You can love someone without having sex with him or her, such as Sean and Catherine before they got married. Vivi raised an excellent point. From my eyes at least up until Thailand, Sean was wrapped up in Catherine and Lindsay. Heck, whatever he meant by it, he told her he loved if I remember correctly as he was letting her go. It might not have meant that he was in love with her, but that would be confusing to hear. Lindsay accepted what happened and moved on. On the ATFR, CH even slyly said to Lindsay "as he was telling you he loved you, you were saying ok, stop." CH tried to get her to budge, but she spoke nothing but good things about Sean and how happy she was for him.

When you compare to how well Lindsay handled the situation with the final couple Sean and Catherine and then how Andi's F2 handled the situation with Josh and Andi - it's a crazy difference.

[stuckinsc]

We are leaving out a major difference between Sean as the lead and Andi as the lead.  Sean did not have sex with Lindsey or any of his girls. So she could not bring that up at all. Andi chose to have sex with two men.  She did leave herself open to it being brought up.  As I have been reminded a lot of the past couple of posts.  We have no idea if Sean had had sex with both his F2 if F2 would have said something or not.  

Lindsay had her heart broken by Sean, she could have said something like Ashlee's . It didn't have to be sex in the FS.  It could be anything...

The FS is there for a reason--the leads can have sex with all F3 if they want and IMO, most of them do.  Why only the F2 of this season "slipped" ????

Love has many different components. You can love someone without having sex with him or her, such as Sean and Catherine before they got married. Vivi raised an excellent point. From my eyes at least up until Thailand, Sean was wrapped up in Catherine and Lindsay. Heck, whatever he meant by it, he told her he loved if I remember correctly as he was letting her go. It might not have meant that he was in love with her, but that would be confusing to hear. Lindsay accepted what happened and moved on. On the ATFR, CH even slyly said to Lindsay "as he was telling you he loved you, you were saying ok, stop." CH tried to get her to budge, but she spoke nothing but good things about Sean and how happy she was for him.  

When you compare to how well Lindsay handled the situation with the final couple Sean and Catherine and then how Andi's F2 handled the situation with Josh and Andi - it's a crazy difference.

Lindsey was very sweet.  I will also say that Sean and Cat were nothing but sweet to Lindsey as well.  It went both ways that season and this season as well.

Sex is a major difference.  Say what you will, when you believe you have made love with someone it does add an additional component.

Remember Sean never said he never loved Lindsey either. Andi did in a rather analytical fashion.

[vivi2]

Sean was kind and sweet to Ashlee too.

[stuckinsc]

Sean was kind and sweet to Ashlee too.

Sean also told AshLee directly that he didn't think what she said he did. He did not give in on this point. Again, Sean as the lead was much kinder to his F2 and F3 than Andi as lead was to her F2. You kind of made my point.

[vivi2]

Sean was kind and sweet to Ashlee too.

Sean also told AshLee directly that he didn't think what she said he did.  He did not give in on this point.  Again, Sean as the lead was much kinder to his F2 and F3 than Andi as lead was to her F2.  You kind of made my point.

My point is Ashlee,IMO, made up something out of nothing, just to hurt Sean back, because he didn't reciprocate her hmmm.. "LUVVV"!!

Andi was kind to her F2 by letting him go before the FRC. And I still think Andi was an awesome 'rette, not perfect, but still awesome. Things happened post show, IMO, contributed to her demeanor at the ATFR.

[stuckinsc]

Sean was kind and sweet to Ashlee too.

Sean also told AshLee directly that he didn't think what she said he did.  He did not give in on this point.  Again, Sean as the lead was much kinder to his F2 and F3 than Andi as lead was to her F2.  You kind of made my point.

My point is Ashlee,IMO, made up something out of nothing, just to hurt Sean back,  because he didn't reciprocate her hmmm.. "LUVVV"!!

Andi was kind to her F2 by letting him go before the FRC.  And I still think Andi was an awesome 'rette,  not perfect, but still awesome.  Things happened post show, IMO, contributed to her demeanor at the ATFR.

I don't disagree, I was not an AshLee fan at all.

My point is that Sean handled his F2 and F3 with kindness and understanding that he had the power and broke their hearts. Andi did not show that same kindness. You and others thinks she did and excuse her because of Nick's actions. As I said you made my point, AshLee attacked Sean on live tv and he was nothing but graceful. Andi did not handle the same situation with the same kindness and grace.

BTW, Nick was not completely innocent.

Truthfully this is all months ago now and they have moved on, so hopefully we can too!

[mindless]

Sean was kind and sweet to Ashlee too.

AshLee is totally crazy though. There's no reasoning with crazy.

[vivi2]

Sean also told AshLee directly that he didn't think what she said he did.  He did not give in on this point.  Again, Sean as the lead was much kinder to his F2 and F3 than Andi as lead was to her F2.  You kind of made my point.

My point is Ashlee,IMO, made up something out of nothing, just to hurt Sean back,  because he didn't reciprocate her hmmm.. "LUVVV"!!

Andi was kind to her F2 by letting him go before the FRC.  And I still think Andi was an awesome 'rette,  not perfect, but still awesome.  Things happened post show, IMO, contributed to her demeanor at the ATFR.

I don't disagree, I was not an AshLee fan at all.

My point is that Sean handled his F2 and F3 with kindness and understanding that he had the power and broke their hearts.  Andi did not show that same kindness.  You and others thinks she did and excuse her because of Nick's actions.  As I said you made my point, AshLee attacked Sean on live tv and he was nothing but graceful.  Andi did not handle the same situation with the same kindness and grace.  

BTW, Nick was not completely innocent.

Truthfully this is all months ago now and they have moved on, so hopefully we can too!

As always, I respect your opinion and enjoy our "bantering" immensely! And you're right, everyone has moved on ( or tried to) but you guys always draw me back here, why? Or maybe because I like you stuckinsc!

[vivi2]

Sean was kind and sweet to Ashlee too.

AshLee is totally crazy though. There's no reasoning with crazy.

Without a doubt, her action at the WTA was the result of TPTB "stirring the pot" so to speak, because they had more chance to succeed with Ashlee than with Lindsay. (@taking the bait)

[Ash2214]

Sean also told AshLee directly that he didn't think what she said he did.  He did not give in on this point.  Again, Sean as the lead was much kinder to his F2 and F3 than Andi as lead was to her F2.  You kind of made my point.

My point is Ashlee,IMO, made up something out of nothing, just to hurt Sean back,  because he didn't reciprocate her hmmm.. "LUVVV"!!

Andi was kind to her F2 by letting him go before the FRC.  And I still think Andi was an awesome 'rette,  not perfect, but still awesome.  Things happened post show, IMO, contributed to her demeanor at the ATFR.

I don't disagree, I was not an AshLee fan at all.

My point is that Sean handled his F2 and F3 with kindness and understanding that he had the power and broke their hearts.  Andi did not show that same kindness.  You and others thinks she did and excuse her because of Nick's actions.  As I said you made my point, AshLee attacked Sean on live tv and he was nothing but graceful.  Andi did not handle the same situation with the same kindness and grace.  

BTW, Nick was not completely innocent.

Truthfully this is all months ago now and they have moved on, so hopefully we can too!

I still think Vivi's point is valid. When you compare the two situations, they're completely different. Sean was able to be sweet to Lindsay because she was sweet to him. She didn't try to see him after the show completed. She didn't write him a letter telling him she still loved him, thought the decision he made was a mistake and mentioned the importance their relationship played in her life. Like I've stated before Sean and Lindsay left each other under interesting circumstances because of some of the words Sean chose to use. She respected him enough to be happy for him and to let it go. You could tell that she genuinely cared for him. Nick did the opposite of that.

In regards to crazy AshLee, what she did also doesn't compare to what Nick did. AshLee said that Sean said something that there was no real proof of and it was just ridiculous. She didn't tell the world Sean had sex with her and she didn't track him down for a couple of months either or bad mouth him and his fiancée on a plane and spoiled the ending.

There were far more issues Andi had to deal with than Sean. I guess for me, your points would ring more true if I thought Andi did anything awful at the ATFR because in my opinion, she handled it just fine. It was someone else who didn't. We all talk about moving on, but we're all here on the thread talking about it. Kind of hard to stop when it's always brought up.

Thankfully, it appears Andi and Josh are doing well together as a couple. I'm looking forward to seeing what their big announcement will be. I personally think it's just going to be that they're 100% televising the wedding.

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