Re: Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Fan Forum - Facebook - Twitter - IG's - Updates - Discussion Thread #2

[laurentx]

I mean I like Josh and think he is an outstanding man, but come on he was on a dating show where Andi was in a relationship with multiple men...  It's not like they met in the real world and she slept with someone else, they were not exclusive, now I can see Josh getting upset IF his FS date was first and they talked about what ring she wanted and he told her that he was in love with her and she then went on to sleep with Nick, now at that moment I could see where Josh would have a problem....

IA and Josh gets it.. and unless the lead declares they will abstain from sex, the producers will never plan the lead's F1 FD first. If so the lead would not have sex with the others. I can only imagine how emotionally exhausting that week must be for the lead.

I agree that Andi was probably candid with Josh in the FS about Nick.. but after they were intimate and not before! Curious to know whether their handlers helped put them in the right frame of mind before their date. Josh's helping him with jealousy and getting past thinking of her other FS dates, and Andi's with feelings of guilt.

I wonder if going into FS date week, Andi always intended to let Chris go before the overnight portion or if after Nick's date it was her attempt to save face with Josh, to at least decline one of the overnights.

[Maggenzm]

You know I've been thinking about Josh being "all in" once he found the right girl and it seems that  he is living into that "unconditional love" he talked about.  He has made a commitment and that is that.  Although they are very different guys, as I look back on past seasons I can see that same kind of singleminded commitment in Ryan (Trista), JP (Ashley) and Sean.  They all have that same feeling of steady, determined commitment to their partners.  Love it!

And Chris, same commitment and single minded to the one.

[luvlady345]

I mean I like Josh and think he is an outstanding man, but come on he was on a dating show where Andi was in a relationship with multiple men...  It's not like they met in the real world and she slept with someone else, they were not exclusive, now I can see Josh getting upset IF his FS date was first and they talked about what ring she wanted and he told her that he was in love with her and she then went on to sleep with Nick, now at that moment I could see where Josh would have a problem....

IA and Josh gets it.. and unless the lead declares they will abstain from sex, the producers will never plan the lead's F1 FD first. If so the lead would not have sex with the others. I can only imagine how emotionally exhausting that week must be for the lead.

I agree that Andi was probably candid with Josh in the FS about Nick.. but after they were intimate and not before! Curious to know whether their handlers helped put them in the right frame of mind before their date. Josh's helping him with jealousy and getting past thinking of her other FS dates, and Andi's with feelings of guilt.

I wonder if going into FS date week, Andi always intended to let Chris go before the overnight portion or if after Nick's date it was her attempt to save face with Josh, to at least decline one of the overnights.

You know imo to go on this show you have to leave your jealousy at home, because there is no other way to deal with your potential mate being with others at the same time as they are with you.....That is why I could never, ever be on this show, it takes a confident and strong person who ends up as F1.....

[Guest]

He posted to Instagram first and tagged Andi. It's linked to his twitter. So technically he tagged the correct Andi on Instagram.

But did you all notice that MM did NOT tag Kacie?!  Normally she does. Again, I think now that we know she has a new job my thoughts on why both andi and Josh unfollowed her are correct they are protecting her from some of the negative comments that come along from fans that can't get over Nick. I mean clearly Andi and Josh have yet there are still pages and pages of rehashing of what we "think they think may have happened". If they are happy why can't we be happy. All the Murray's are clearly in some of the happiest days of their lives, let's get there with them let Nick stay in the past. I'm ready to move on with my favorite Bachelor/ette couple of all time.

[Maggenzm]

I mean I like Josh and think he is an outstanding man, but come on he was on a dating show where Andi was in a relationship with multiple men...  It's not like they met in the real world and she slept with someone else, they were not exclusive, now I can see Josh getting upset IF his FS date was first and they talked about what ring she wanted and he told her that he was in love with her and she then went on to sleep with Nick, now at that moment I could see where Josh would have a problem....

IA and Josh gets it.. and unless the lead declares they will abstain from sex, the producers will never plan the lead's F1 FD first. If so the lead would not have sex with the others. I can only imagine how emotionally exhausting that week must be for the lead.

I agree that Andi was probably candid with Josh in the FS about Nick.. but after they were intimate and not before! Curious to know whether their handlers helped put them in the right frame of mind before their date. Josh's helping him with jealousy and getting past thinking of her other FS dates, and Andi's with feelings of guilt.

I wonder if going into FS date week, Andi always intended to let Chris go before the overnight portion or if after Nick's date it was her attempt to save face with Josh, to at least decline one of the overnights.

You know imo to go on this show you have to leave your jealousy at home, because there is no other way to deal with your potential mate being with others at the same time as they are with you.....That is why I could never, ever be on this show, it takes a confident and strong person who ends up as F1.....

ITA, the contestant has to be very strong and very confident in his/her relationship with the lead. He/She usually has this unshakable conviction/feeling, they just know in their heart, and don't need reassurance from the lead to move forward in that relationship. They usually are the one reassuring the lead that they are there to stay. This I noticed to be consistent pattern with the past 4 or 5 season F1.

[ThankMeLater]

^ Andi was never following Kacie.

[aviej]

I mean I like Josh and think he is an outstanding man, but come on he was on a dating show where Andi was in a relationship with multiple men...  It's not like they met in the real world and she slept with someone else, they were not exclusive, now I can see Josh getting upset IF his FS date was first and they talked about what ring she wanted and he told her that he was in love with her and she then went on to sleep with Nick, now at that moment I could see where Josh would have a problem....

So true what you said about it not being a normal situation. Can't imagine all the emotions she had going on with regards to the final two guys. And of course, with the added pressure from TPTB, she really did try to give all guys an equal chance. And that's probably the best route. In AFTR when Josh said that "he's trying" (in reference to get her pregnant) and then again on Kelly & Michael, it came like he's marking his territory. Yeah Nick you got one solo opportunity, but now that she's mine and we can do it as often as we want. Seemed somewhat like he was throwing words for Nick too.

[docnash14]

I mean I like Josh and think he is an outstanding man, but come on he was on a dating show where Andi was in a relationship with multiple men...  It's not like they met in the real world and she slept with someone else, they were not exclusive, now I can see Josh getting upset IF his FS date was first and they talked about what ring she wanted and he told her that he was in love with her and she then went on to sleep with Nick, now at that moment I could see where Josh would have a problem....

So true what you said about it not being a normal situation. Can't imagine all the emotions she had going on with regards to the final two guys. And of course, with the added pressure from  TPTB, she really did try to give all guys an equal chance. And that's probably the best route. In AFTR when Josh said that "he's trying" (in reference to get her pregnant) and then again on Kelly & Michael, it came like he's marking his territory. Yeah Nick you got one solo opportunity, but now that she's mine and we can do it as often as we want. Seemed somewhat like he was throwing words for Nick too.

Perhaps but let's remember that when Josh said that at the AFR (to use Andi's acronym for it) he was not aware of Nick's comment as he (Josh) was sequestered at the time and thus not privy to Nick's conversation with Andi. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Andi and Josh had spoken beforehand about the possibility of Nick bringing it up, although "it" had always remained unspoken in all of the previous seasons.

[luvlady345]

I mean I like Josh and think he is an outstanding man, but come on he was on a dating show where Andi was in a relationship with multiple men...  It's not like they met in the real world and she slept with someone else, they were not exclusive, now I can see Josh getting upset IF his FS date was first and they talked about what ring she wanted and he told her that he was in love with her and she then went on to sleep with Nick, now at that moment I could see where Josh would have a problem....

So true what you said about it not being a normal situation. Can't imagine all the emotions she had going on with regards to the final two guys. And of course, with the added pressure from  TPTB, she really did try to give all guys an equal chance. And that's probably the best route. In AFTR when Josh said that "he's trying" (in reference to get her pregnant) and then again on Kelly & Michael, it came like he's marking his territory. Yeah Nick you got one solo opportunity, but now that she's mine and we can do it as often as we want. Seemed somewhat like he was throwing words for Nick too.

I believe he was marking his territory also, even if he didn't hear what was being said on stage Josh was privy to what was going on all season.... Can y'all imagine how Josh must have felt with all the behind scenes things going on? It's was like the never ending break up....

[bamagal]

He posted to Instagram first and tagged Andi. It's linked to his twitter. So technically he tagged the correct Andi on Instagram.

But did you all notice that MM did NOT tag Kacie?!  Normally she does. Again, I think now that we know she has a new job my thoughts on why both andi and Josh unfollowed her are correct they are protecting her from some of the negative comments that come along from fans that can't get over Nick. I mean clearly Andi and Josh have yet there are still pages and pages of rehashing of what we "think they think may have happened". If they are happy why can't we be happy. All the Murray's are clearly in some of the happiest days of their lives, let's get there with them let Nick stay in the past. I'm ready to move on with my favorite Bachelor/ette couple of all time.

I have been thinking the same thing for several days -- Well said DawgFan!  To further discuss it is to just give McSalty more time in the "spotlight"!  

[bamagal]

I mean I like Josh and think he is an outstanding man, but come on he was on a dating show where Andi was in a relationship with multiple men...  It's not like they met in the real world and she slept with someone else, they were not exclusive, now I can see Josh getting upset IF his FS date was first and they talked about what ring she wanted and he told her that he was in love with her and she then went on to sleep with Nick, now at that moment I could see where Josh would have a problem....

IA and Josh gets it.. and unless the lead declares they will abstain from sex, the producers will never plan the lead's F1 FD first. If so the lead would not have sex with the others. I can only imagine how emotionally exhausting that week must be for the lead.

I agree that Andi was probably candid with Josh in the FS about Nick.. but after they were intimate and not before! Curious to know whether their handlers helped put them in the right frame of mind before their date. Josh's helping him with jealousy and getting past thinking of her other FS dates, and Andi's with feelings of guilt.

I wonder if going into FS date week, Andi always intended to let Chris go before the overnight portion or if after Nick's date it was her attempt to save face with Josh, to at least decline one of the overnights.

You know imo to go on this show you have to leave your jealousy at home, because there is no other way to deal with your potential mate being with others at the same time as they are with you.....That is why I could never, ever be on this show, it takes a confident and strong person who ends up as F1.....

Josh does display strength and confidence without coming across as cocky! --  

[bamagal]

I mean I like Josh and think he is an outstanding man, but come on he was on a dating show where Andi was in a relationship with multiple men...  It's not like they met in the real world and she slept with someone else, they were not exclusive, now I can see Josh getting upset IF his FS date was first and they talked about what ring she wanted and he told her that he was in love with her and she then went on to sleep with Nick, now at that moment I could see where Josh would have a problem....

IA and Josh gets it.. and unless the lead declares they will abstain from sex, the producers will never plan the lead's F1 FD first. If so the lead would not have sex with the others. I can only imagine how emotionally exhausting that week must be for the lead.

I agree that Andi was probably candid with Josh in the FS about Nick.. but after they were intimate and not before! Curious to know whether their handlers helped put them in the right frame of mind before their date. Josh's helping him with jealousy and getting past thinking of her other FS dates, and Andi's with feelings of guilt.

I wonder if going into FS date week, Andi always intended to let Chris go before the overnight portion or if after Nick's date it was her attempt to save face with Josh, to at least decline one of the overnights.

You know imo to go on this show you have to leave your jealousy at home, because there is no other way to deal with your potential mate being with others at the same time as they are with you.....That is why I could never, ever be on this show, it takes a confident and strong person who ends up as F1.....

Josh does display strength and confidence without coming across as cocky! --  

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