Re: : Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #8

[Kashathediva]

Chris Harrison ‏@chrisbharrison  3m
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That was really weird. Making such a big deal about it with Michelle standing up to ask the question and then they completely dropped it?

He wants to milk the moment. Keep people sitting on the edge of their seats.  

[Pia1]

I must admit Meandi's body language was totally off on the their LCD. My husband, and one friend who hadn't watched this season kept saying…..she is so not into him. How could you even think she picks him? I kept telling them how hot they were together all season. Then they showed that little clip of all their past times together, they said "wow, you were right,she was totally into him!".

Sorry, I keep posting thoughts as they come into my head. For me, it is cathartic.

Yeah Andi really did a 180 from how she was with Nick early on to the LCD.  Part of me wants to believe she really did have some feelings for him early on, the skeptic part thinks she just was acting in order to reel him in.Her interviews are so out there, I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth.  

I believe that sometimes, after HTD, the lead changes her mind after seeing the family's $$$ or famous connections... I am still convinced that what happened during Emily season with 1F, and certainly Andi got a glimpse of how more famous she could be getting in Josh family... Poor Nick stood no chance after HTD. He didn't have the "shine" to offer.

Yes, there could be some truth to this as you can see that fame and connections seem to be important to her and her family. That's her prerogative but if she had decided then why didn't she just let him go after the HTD? And then compound it by leading him on some more and as if it wasn't enough she had to sleep with him. Her actions just boggles my mind!

[Guest]

Eric....may he rest in peace....was spot on!!! Meandi was a big time actress who was cold, calculating and  manipulative.  As Nick said, she took it too far. Way too far, imo.

I hope that Nick follows in the footsteps of my favorite contestant, Chris L, and stays far away from TPTB. Love with the right woman will be right around the corner.

Very true! I felt so bad for Nick last night. I thought I couldn't like Andi any less at the MTA, but silly me, I was wrong... she hit complete rock bottom last night. Andi looked pissed as soon as she walked out, she looked annoyed that she had to speak to Nick.

I keep going back to the plane video where he said "it's like she just changed her mind at the last minute" ... I understand it's the leads job to carry on a relationship with the guys, but I agree she went above and beyond. Some are mad at Nick for "hitting below the belt" with his remarks, but all he wanted to know is why would you make love to me if you didn't love me? I don't blame him one bit. Happy this season is over, Nick will be so much better with out her. It's really nice to see Nick hanging out with the guys, and getting support from them.

[Catdwoman50]

Yeah Andi really did a 180 from how she was with Nick early on to the LCD.  Part of me wants to believe she really did have some feelings for him early on, the skeptic part thinks she just was acting in order to reel him in.Her interviews are so out there, I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth.  

I believe that sometimes, after HTD, the lead changes her mind after seeing the family's $$$ or famous connections... I am still convinced that what happened during Emily season with 1F, and certainly Andi got a glimpse of how more famous she could be getting in Josh family... Poor Nick stood no chance after HTD. He didn't have the "shine" to offer.

But I think she was still really feeling it with Nick during the FD's. It seemed to change maybe around the MTP time.

If we're going with this I think it was during LCD that we see Andi holding back more. In meet the parents the goodbye was still passionate. She started to disengage after her 2 days with Josh, MTP and LCD consecutively.

[Luvstruck]

One last thing and I will not be talking about Andi again:

People keep asking "What's the big deal about her sleeping with both men?" 1st of all... she said to Josh that she knew she was in love with him from the 1st time she laid eyes on him. So why was she testing Nicks goods if she was already in love with Josh? It's not ok to play with people's emotions for fun! She lied, and Nick has every right to be upset! She said he hit below the belt... but it's her who should have never gone below his belt & this wouldn't even be an issue!

Exactly.   If she was nver in love with Nick then don't sleep with him when she knew he was head over heels for her.  That is why he said it ATFR.  He wouldn't have raised it if she hadn't been so completely cold and unfeeling.

It isn't stretch to believe Chris H knew exactly Nick's biggest issue was Andi slept with him. Chris seemed to keep pressing Nick until he asked her why she would make love with him when she knew how he felt about that. IMO they discussed making love in the fantasy suite beforehand and it sealed the deal for him. Nick had to ask her twice if she read his letter but all she could say was yes and not give any response to what he wrote. Let's face it with Josh behind camera at the AFTR or having the possibility of seeing how it played out Andi could not say what Nick needed to hear. IMO she did love both of them and was carefully measuring her words with her stone face and defenses up all she could do was repeat a couple of times I was careful to never say I loved you. She thought that made it okay....

[notarose]

Nick has been invited to participate in another interview.  Don't know if it will materialize but he did start following this person on Twitter after asked for a DM.  He's a hot commodity with a wide range of media.  

@RachelEReilly
@viallnicholas28 hey nick would love 2 chat with you 4 our show! DM me for deets we want your side!

http://www.brenchelarmy.com

[eirekay]

One last thing and I will not be talking about Andi again:

People keep asking "What's the big deal about her sleeping with both men?" 1st of all... she said to Josh that she knew she was in love with him from the 1st time she laid eyes on him. So why was she testing Nicks goods if she was already in love with Josh? It's not ok to play with people's emotions for fun! She lied, and Nick has every right to be upset! She said he hit below the belt... but it's her who should have never gone below his belt & this wouldn't even be an issue!

Exactly.   If she was nver in love with Nick then don't sleep with him when she knew he was head over heels for her.  That is why he said it ATFR.  He wouldn't have raised it if she hadn't been so completely cold and unfeeling.

It isn't stretch to believe Chris H knew exactly Nick's biggest issue was Andi slept with him. Chris seemed to keep pressing Nick until he asked her why she would make love with him when she knew how he felt about that. IMO they discussed making love in the fantasy suite beforehand and it sealed the deal for him. Nick had to ask her twice if she read his letter but all she could say was yes and not give any response to what he wrote. Let's face it with Josh behind camera at the AFTR or having the possibility of seeing how it played out Andi could not say what Nick needed to hear.  IMO she did love both of them and was carefully measuring her words with her stone face and defenses up all she could do was repeat a couple of times I was careful to never say I loved you. She thought that made it okay....

ITA! I think CH really set Nick up!

With regard to Andi, I think if she had gone into the break up with "This has been the hardest decision of my life, but I'm in love with Josh and I have stronger feelings for him." it would have been easier for Nick than her criticizing their relationship, pointing out that they were over analytical and mentioning that she was hoping to have fun on the LCD. If you read Nick's letter, he mentions a couple of the times her comment that she thought their life together would be good but not great. I think that kind of criticism really feed his need to over think.

[Catdwoman50]

^^ I feel that the letter released is edited. I think he may have asked the question in his letter and was waiting for Andi to just own up to something, either she had stronger feelings for someone else or it was never him and all was produced. So Andi started saying the latter and Nick (like I would feel in this situation) would ask, why take it all the way? Until Andi says it was never about you, what you did, or didn't do was when I believe he accepted that it was about someone else. If Andi answered that during the breakup I think that conversation could have been avoided. I'm sad it did only because once again Nick has to defend himself as if he wasn't vulnerable enough already. Ok ya'll I'm in my anger stage in my stages of grief

[Brill]

I have to admit that once Nick left, I turned the TV off.  I thought of maybe watching the ATFR but I knew I just didn't want to see her face anymore.   
I wasn't a fan of hers from the last season but I loved Nick and if that is who he loved then I was happy for him.

She certainly chose the right profession to be in, cold hearted, once she makes up her mind no compassion.  
It just blew me away that she balled her eyes out letting Chris and others go and nothing for Nick, NOTHING!!  It's like she hated him and couldn't wait to dismiss him.  Maybe she will try her acting skills out in Hollywood!!

If Nick is the next Bachelor then I will be here   watching and cheering him on, of course!!  I really, really, really want him to stay far away from Fleiss and anything connected to him.   I hate that this show has to make drama with others feelings.    It is not necessary, IMO!!

Nick will have the women of Chicago beating down his door and who knows, maybe sooner than he thinks, he will find the REAL woman that deserves all he has to offer.  

[Guest]

I just finished watching the Finale and I'm so sad to see how heartbroken Nick was. I felt bad for him to be blindsided and to be led on even during the private time in the FS!!!

I really can't believe how cold hearted Andi could be, but I guess this is the mean gal what have always see but thought Nick somehow has softened her.

Nick is definitely better off without her, he deserves so much better than that!

[Pia1]

^^ I feel that the letter released is edited. I think he may have asked the question in his letter and was waiting for Andi to just own up to something, either she had stronger feelings for someone else or it was never him and all was produced.  So Andi started saying the latter and Nick (like I would feel in this situation) would ask, why take it all the way?  Until Andi says it was never about you, what you did, or didn't do was when I believe he accepted that it was about someone else.  If Andi answered that during the breakup I think that conversation could have been avoided.  I'm sad it did only because once again Nick has to defend himself as if he wasn't vulnerable enough already.  Ok ya'll I'm in my anger stage in my stages of grief

I cringed every time I think about Nick being put in that vulnerable position. His hands were actually shaking. Andi showed no remorse or compassion whatsoever. She has got to be the most self absorb person I've ever seen.

[Norcalgal]

A couple thoughts. Andi came off to me as wanting affirmation she did the right thing by sending Nick home before he proposed. Nick, valuing intimacy, was hung up on why she had sex with him, if she wasn't going to choose him. Just shows you how little you know about each other after 7 weeks in the pressure cooker. To Nick, sex=love.

Another thought - do you think the lead gets a bonus if certain milestones are met. For example, if multiple contestants profess their love before the finale, or if pastry gets sampled (to use Kasha's term) before the finale or if the season has enough oomph to pull off a surprise ending?

As personable as Chris seems on TV, for him to play into Nick's heartbreak by encouraging him, EVEN THOUGH IT IS HIS JOB, shows me he is not a man of character. A man of character would not have a job like that.

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