Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers* Thread #2

[GuardianAngel]

Copied from another thread.

Paging GA, you got your answers! RS gave us a lot more info re. the plane video, and you are the one who had asked for more info a while ago....

I purposely avoid mentioning RS for my own personal reasons, but as soon as I questioned him on this forum, I got answers!! I suppose he forgot to mention the letter, though. Luckily the great s/caps that posters provided here, of CH entering the dressing room delivering a letter, reminded him to mention the letter during the chat or whatever it is that he had!   Why was this letter not mentioned before? I had previously posted, there must have been a lot more to that conversation prior to the time the record button was pushed to which RS later mentioned in a blog or where ever, yes indeed there was more to the conversation but he had enough proof or something like that. Now we are told this person said Nick wanted to write a letter.

This person who was previously "known personally" now hasn't had contact in 5 yrs! and she doesn't watch the show? I think I read that, I'm not sure. She was listening to a conversation on a plane with a guy sitting in front (I couldn't make out a single word of the people in front of me on a plane last month) a lightbulb went off, even though she doesn't watch the show, she texted RS, she looked up his site, to get picture of Nick, and was still were able to get enough dialogue from Nick. Don't forget all those other creepy pic's taken of him at the baggage claim and walking through the empty airport.

I'm not getting into RS is right, wrong or BS'ing his way because I really don't care about RS or what he says.

I personally like both Josh and Nick, and don't want either one of them with Andi. I want a happy ending. So if there is a F1 and they are happy, that's what I want to see during the FRC and post show.

The vid may very well be legit, and everything happened the way it was reported to happen, it may be a foiler that was planned just the way it happened.

However it has been for me, one of the most exciting topics as far as discussion and sleuthing goes.

My personal feelings is it's far to much of a coincindence for me to believe it's legit, and now throwing in the letter just makes me crazy.

Next thing you know, the letter was written on the plane!!

[Kashathediva]

After reading RS's tweets, I could definitely believe the video is real. Like I said earlier, the perfect storm.

I did not determine this woman had a romantic past with RS, but had connected with him in the past.

He specifically said that they tried to have a "love connection" many years ago and it didn't work out. She also had his phone number, so she was obviously more than a random person that used to e-mail him.

I don't know, I would be shocked if the producers were smart enough and manipulative enough to get RS's former romantic partner to purposely trick him OR set up a flight for Nick in which RS's former romantic partner just happened to sit behind him.

I also don't understand why people think Nick is being too casual. Most guys that get their heart broken aren't going to be crying on their flight. It doesn't mean that they aren't devastated. Jason talked about how he was partying with the crew the day after DeAnna dumped him, and he was probably heartbroken too. I think it's far more unlikely that Nick would be told to badmouth the F2 (and, if it was Josh, presumably the next Bachelor).

I must have missed those tweets.
This is what I got from my twitter feed:

Per the first bolded above.
His tweets:
"I knew the person RT"
"No. Someone from my past. Hadn't heard from her in about 5 years RT."
"It was a shock to say the least RT @Whenthesmokeget: @RealitySteve are you happy the source has reconnected with you after 5 years?"
"They weren't even in my contacts anymore. Just a # RT @Whenthesmokeget: @RealitySteve r u happy the source has reconnected w/ u after 5 yrs"
"We tried years ago. I doubt it RT"
"We had a past together about 6 yrs ago. Hadn't heard from her since RT "

A) on one hand the relationship was 5 yrs ago.
B) on the other hand the relationship was 6 yrs ago.
C) He states he did not have her contact info above(per bolded). She got to him with the info. They had not kept in touch.
D) They could have only known each other for all we know and it never took off to get romantic. We can not determine from the convo above it was anything more than these people knew each other and maybe RS wanted something and she did not. We do not know any of the circumstances other than it did not work out to be romantic. Someone on his feed asked him if it was a love connection---he did not describe it so.
D) most people who have contact with RS--nuff said. You would have to get your head examined to be involved with him RT romantically.

Per the second bolded:
Elan has pulled off 2 very convincing plane spoofs in the last 18 months that I am aware.   

Again, I don't think by even the largest stretch of imagination that this was a past romantic connection or he would have said an ex. So I don't think it was. It was a connection from his past that perhaps he was hoping and it didn't take off at best.

And once again, I am not saying this bodes well for or against either of the final 2.
This is a discussion on my part solely on the fact RS is a douche--per personal experience and he twists things constantly--this is at least his second coming as a snake and I would not be surprised if someone was out to screw him.

[jen689]

...if Nick was going to write a letter while wait until 2 months after FRC

Nick may have written the letter soon after the FRC and gave it to the producers to deliver. 
The producers decided to keep the letter and gave it to Andi at the MTA to create drama and uncertainty about how the season ends.

[Cecilia]

...if Nick was going to write a letter while wait until 2 months after FRC

Nick may have written the letter soon after the FRC and gave it to the producers to deliver. 
The producers decided to keep the letter and gave it to Andi at the MTA to create drama and uncertainty about how the season ends.

Totally. The producers are a**holes!

[sdmom]

Next thing you know, the letter was written on the plane!!

Be careful, be very careful, GA, because you know the motto of this season"
Ask and you shall receive   

[sbolduc]

...if Nick was going to write a letter while wait until 2 months after FRC

Nick may have written the letter soon after the FRC and gave it to the producers to deliver. 
The producers decided to keep the letter and gave it to Andi at the MTA to create drama and uncertainty about how the season ends.

Bingo, that was my thought as well. Once I read that tweet I actually felt pretty sad for Nick, because IF he wrote the letter right after the FRC, but for purposes of drama and entertainment TPTB decided to wait until the MTA to give it to Andi, then Nick IMO is going to get destroyed in the media/SM etc for people thinking he is trying to break up a seemingly happy couple that he watched for 10 weeks "fall in love".

I am so excited for this season to be done, I like all three remaining parties and I hope they all end up unscathed.

[dw_a_mom]

I wish I could get my husband or anyone in my family to enjoy this show!  I have to come here to find like minds; there are none in my house!  They think I'm nuts .

(But my husband DOES get benefits, even if he doesn't realize it; I'll watch some hot scene and then attack him ;)  )

Get him to watch it with you... and learn!!!   
If he thinks it's going to lead to hot sex... believe me, he'll watch!!    

[stuckinsc]

Wow. So RS is taking questions about Nick's videos from the plane. Someone asked him if Nick said anything interesting before the person hit record. Apparently Nick said he wanted to write Andi a letter.

That certainly ties in with the preview we just got about the F2 giving Andi a letter...

Ok, I finally broke down and watched RS video chat last Thurs.  I have to admit I believed him.  He said with a conviction that he knew the person who sent him the tape and had met that person before.  He didn't have to say that if it was not true.

RS also said with conviction that Chantal and Brad has Thanksgiving together. He also repeated multiple times with conviction that he knew that Brooks and Des were engaged and still together.

I do not know or honestly care if the plane video is real or not. But RS's level of conviction if anything is usually a red flag that he is feeling less confident not more.

When he feels really confident, like he did for Ashley, Ben, Sean and JPG, he just says wait until the finale air date and you will see that I am right. When he starts defending himself and explaining is usually when he is wrong. He acted that way with Ali, Brad 2.0, Des and he is reminding me of himself then.

The only season he showed any hesitation was Emily. He did not release the F1 until quite late in the game. We had it here from the beginning, I am not sure if RS released it at HTD airing or if it was FS airing, but it was very late in the process.

[stuckinsc]

Wow. So RS is taking questions about Nick's videos from the plane. Someone asked him if Nick said anything interesting before the person hit record. Apparently Nick said he wanted to write Andi a letter.

That certainly ties in with the preview we just got about the F2 giving Andi a letter...

But he said "she isn't going to change her mind."  But yet prior to the person pressing the record button, he said he was going to write her a letter? For what purpose, especially since he expressed in the video "she was incredibly stubborn"

Why does this all seem convenient with the MTA airing tonight?

Doesn't RS magically mentioning Nick wanting to write a letter now that we see Andi receiving a letter seem a little suspicious as well.

Almost like his story is growing to fit what is being shown in previews. See my video is valid because ...

[DMBFan]

I see the love story.

But I also know he is in the bubble and has, in reality, spent less than 48 hours TOTAL with Andi; he doesn't really know her yet.  Two steps out of the bubble and most participants realize that what they were sure of, they couldn't actually ever have been sure of.  This isn't like being in love with someone in real life, and getting over it is much, much easier.

You are absolutely right!  Great way to put this in perspective, and kind of scary to think they know so little of each other and when they are together they are in full make-up with the most exotic dates imaginable, no wonder it is so tough to make it in the real world.  Your comment does leave room for everything going south with Nick and Andi on that last date, and leaves some room for all the craziness to be true.  But I can't go there yet - I'm living in Polyana world now - I'm on the Nick and Andi magic carpet ride for now.  Tell me if anything comes to light after MTA, please.  If I'm going to be let down in the finale, I'd rather know now.  (I too read the end of some books before starting - I'm so darn curious).

Lol, I RUSH through books to get to the end!

I don't think we'll know more than we already do, however.  The end will be what it will be.  I relate the most to Andi and Nick's story and while I see something special between Andi and Josh, too (part of why I can accept either ending), I am distressed by how much negativity is out there about Nick.  I love the way he romances Andi; that slow, tingly way of being.  I LOVE it.  How can anyone find it creepy?  Boggles my mind, but different strokes for different folks, I guess.  It is definitely the Nick scenes at this point that get my senses racing (although Josh's first nervous kiss was super hot to me); no matter how it ends, I will have had that to enjoy.

ITA! I get the sense that they would be be married for 10-15-20 years and he would be thinking up ways to still romance her. I don't get that same impression of Josh, but then I could be biased because his "fast-talking" is a huge turn me off for me, no matter how pretty he is. Hopefully he's more romantic than his TV persona has shown.

[mercieme]

IF RS was smart, he would shut his mouth & wait to be proven right on July 28th but he feels the need to gloat. IMO no way this vid landed on his laps via a random person from his past on a 50 person seater plane, not buying it. IMO if the vid is legit, he most likely paid someone to stalk the contestants & got the information to make sure he does not repeat the fiasco last season. Also I am not a legal expert but his antics on twitter today claiming the vid just landed miraculously might be him trying to cover his butt should in case someone sues him for publishing someone 's conversation, granted it was in a public space. Who knows if Fleiss et al will come after RS for this, they definitely have not done anything to Nick yet.

[Guest]

Copied from another thread.

Paging GA, you got your answers! RS gave us a lot more info re. the plane video, and you are the one who had asked for more info a while ago....

I purposely avoid mentioning RS for my own personal reasons, but as soon as I questioned him on this forum, I got answers!! I suppose he forgot to mention the letter, though. Luckily the great s/caps that posters provided here, of CH entering the dressing room delivering a letter, reminded him to mention the letter during the chat or whatever it is that he had!   Why was this letter not mentioned before? I had previously posted, there must have been a lot more to that conversation prior to the time the record button was pushed to which RS later mentioned in a blog or where ever, yes indeed there was more to the conversation but he had enough proof or something like that. Now we are told this person said Nick wanted to write a letter.

This person who was previously "known personally" now hasn't had contact in 5 yrs! and she doesn't watch the show? I think I read that, I'm not sure. She was listening to a conversation on a plane with a guy sitting in front (I couldn't make out a single word of the people in front of me on a plane last month) a lightbulb went off, even though she doesn't watch the show, she texted RS, she looked up his site, to get picture of Nick, and was still were able to get enough dialogue from Nick. Don't forget all those other creepy pic's taken of him at the baggage claim and walking through the empty airport.

I'm not getting into RS is right, wrong or BS'ing his way because I really don't care about RS or what he says.  

I personally like both Josh and Nick, and don't want either one of them with Andi.  I want a happy ending. So if there is a F1 and they are happy, that's what I want to see during the FRC and post show.

The vid may very well be legit, and everything happened the way it was reported to happen, it may be a foiler that was planned just the way it happened.

However it has been for me, one of the most exciting topics as far as discussion and sleuthing goes.

My personal feelings is it's far to much of a coincindence for me to believe it's legit, and now throwing in the letter just makes me crazy.

Next thing you know, the letter was written on the plane!!

LOL! I think I saw a calligraphy pen in his non Cheeto-eating hand.   

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