Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #3

[Guest]

There's a beautiful post by emusha on the Fantasy Suite Episode thread.  I've copied the last sentence.

emusha wrote:
...Regardless of what happens i think nick has been a profound gift to her (whether she sees it or not) on the possibilities of romance/love he seems to be broadening her view and understanding of it and of herself which is fantastic to see!

I'd say Nick has been a gift to us all - in so many ways!

I love emusha's quote.    
Thank you, Norcalgal, for bringing it here!

Adding to that, I feel Nick represents the power of love and how if you love truly and deeply all the little things will fall into place. First, you build the foundation of love then you build the walls of your life together.
Nick also believes in reciprocal love. His vision of a couple is that of one body where each is a half that navigates life as a team - an infinite flow of give&take and telling.  Each offers what they are able to give and because of that there is no reason to ask.

It really is an honor to see a man give so much of himself.

thanks Ladies!! 

TY for reminds me of the Power Of Love .....and that is more important beyond this silly show!

see you all until next epis,  :peanutbutter:   cravers!

[happygolucky]

“There is no such thing as the perfect relationship. You can however, create a relationship which is perfect. Perfection comes from your commitment to being a teacher and a student. Being as curious and playful as children. Having the maturity of an adult, and being a friend, partner, and lover. Perfection often comes from imperfection. So, embrace the challenges and learn to grow together, not apart….”
― James A. Murphy, The Waves of Life Quotes and Daily Meditations

“Real, sane, mature love—the kind that pays the mortgage year after year and picks up the kids after school—is not based on infatuation but on affection and respect.”
― Elizabeth Gilbert, Committed: A Skeptic Makes Peace with Marriage

“There is no choice more intensely personal, after all, than whom you choose to marry; that choice tells us, to a large extent, who you are.”
― Elizabeth Gilbert, Committed: A Skeptic Makes Peace with Marriage

[happygolucky]

Everyone sleeping or at least enjoying hopefully sunny Saturday. Well first:
Good Day to you all!

I read this morning the comments in different threads, of course every time the other side presents their own reasons to believe in their right, I start doubting if what I've seen so far is really what has been there or because I want to see them like that... I went back and watched initial episodes ... and then I remembered why I can't let go of this thought, no matter how absurd it might sound to most and despite numerous spoilers, that are hard to dismiss as not being real.
*attention: might contain high dose of sarcasm*

I didn't start watching this show from day 1. Now I'm not even sure which week it was when I decided, that I'd like to watch something "light&fun" and non-committal (thinking of TV series), with not too many episodes, just enough to get me through one day in the bed. Maybe the 5th or 6th episode was supposed to air. I scrolled down the names of uploaded series on this website where I search for streamed TV shows ... and saw The Special The Bachelorette ... so I found the links to all of the episodes and I skipped the 1st, thinking, that one is probably boring, because guys just introduce themselves, nothing really interesting there to see ... and I watched 2nd episode first. Maybe the whole thing was enough interesting to me, because I couldn't do anything else beside reading and surfing online. So I stuck till the end, then I saw Nick's "popping date card" and his very genuine conversation of "what are you looking for?" and "what you think you haven't found?" ... and that's when this guy caught my eye. Because those are the questions I was always asking myself, "What makes the difference that can change even most formed convictions?" ... Like when for years you believe that marriage is not for you and you don't want/need to get married and then you meet a guy and it just feels right and you don't mind the ring on a finger.
Anyway ... that episode continues ... and a minute later we see Andi kissing the first guy, Josh. To me it appeared natural, but too fast to make it exciting, so I didn't put much importance to it, while some might see it as "a love at first sight". And so I watched the rest of the episodes in order till The Special. Mostly observing Nick, his behavior, his character and change, in him, in her and the whole "game" ... it got elevated. The questions, the answers, getting to know each-others' thoughts, beliefs, fears and weaknesses, always one step forward, one more stone in the mosaic ... it was more than just interesting, there was an appeal, slightly sensual, but never overdone sexy, just enough to leave you curious and with a need of more. I already could picture them together.

Then I remembered... I'm watching this show called TB, where the edit is always impeccable, where they wrap the story into one nice enigmatic problem, when they conduct the viewers into the labyrinth game ...

and that's when I said to myself ... that's not gonna happen ... Nick can't be F1, it's too obvious, they wouldn't just let me see the story, they would try to hide it in different layers, so that it would still be present, but not evident...

so I came here to join the conversation, because I really liked Nick and was a bit sad that he won't be getting "the happy ending" ...
but then I was hit by the news ... I actually fell into the spoiled section by accident and got to see the video first...
and it made total sense ... yeap, it only confirmed what I was already thinking ... Nick cannot be F1. It is most definitely Josh. The chemistry is there, that's how it's gonna go.

But something bugged me. If Josh is F1, I would have no problem say that I see a nice development of their story hidden behind doubts and fears. But, I can't. I don't see a story. I see doubts, I see fears, I see chemistry, I see them laughing and having fun together. But I don't hear and feel their relationship to be on a solid ground and progressing. (I will stop now from any further explanation, since this is not Josh's thread).

To sum it up ... it is just plain simple ... it's not much of an interesting story to watch.
Yes, they are beautiful people, nice on the eyes, they are good characters, which I'm sure plenty of people would like to be around. But everything is pretty casually told. And even for TPTB, who likes to hide the obvious, wouldn't hide all the interesting stuff about someone's relationship that much, to make it so one-dimensional, so superficial, that leaves all the attraction of soul outside.

Then I cruised around the forum, I read other sites, saw all the promotional material, TV interviews (Jimmy Kimmel, that's one to watch) ... and one constant thing that has been "sold" in the media is "Josh being F1".

That's when it clicked ... even if the viewers aren't aware of the big spoiler ... they are still persuaded to believe the spoiled version. Because that's all they "sell". With the edit, with the 'adverts'.
So ... if everyone is being told that Josh is F1, if every media is reporting only about their chemistry, if someone leaked the big spoiler (and I don't even want to continue bugging my brains with How is it possible and how it happened?) confirming who F1 is ...

wouldn't the most obvious suddenly become just a delusional story?

So delusional, that the people would laugh in the guy's face, because he was so convinced to be her favorite (the roses suddenly don't matter), to be the frontrunner (the number of 1on1 dates isn't important), to be chosen at the end (because, c'mon dude, have you looked yourself in the mirror, you have no chance with Andi! She's a total babe ... you 2 just don't fit, physically! You are not promoted as a sexy beast  ... just a c****y one.) ... and even more delusional to think he's gonna marry her (because seriously people, who would want to marry someone after only 10 weeks of dating?) ...

Now if someone would need to explain to me at the beginning how this show works, how the process works, how things proceed from week to week... I'm sure I would be told, that the girl gives the roses (their petals are on every promo material), takes the guys on dates (and 1on1s are even more special), at the end chooses the guy with whom she built a connection and lived "a bubbled relationship" and he proposes (with every intention to get married). That would be the concept of the show, right?

It's funny how this talk about marriage echoes ... usually in connotation with Nick ... it just stays on the tip of the tongue ... lingers.

Yeah, call me delusional, or adrenalin junkie that's heading right into abyss.
But it just makes me happy, happy to watch a really passionate story ...
mmmhhhmmmm, it's so hot.

[notarose]

Happygolucky
Your thoughts on this great love story are always a pleasure to read.  I also enjoy how it has inspired you to post music & quotes.  It's a special kind of sharing. Let's remain happily delusional together.   

But wait, there really is no delusion when it comes to this love story.  The "hang up" may be that some think all love stories have happy endings.  I really do hope this one does but I prepared myself way back for the possibility that Andi's vision of a lover/life partner is not this beautiful man. That would in no way dilute Nick's quest for love and what he has done to allow himself to reach his destination. It would, however, make me a puddle of tears if his overwhelming desire to love this woman for a lifetime is denied him.  It would make it difficult to go back, at some future date, to watch it again as a reminder of the love of an authentic man for a woman.

SO, for now, I have to have blind faith in Andi because she writes the final word.

[Cecilia]

Do you think they would let him go to LA to MTA to party with that tape out and anything? I think if he was just going there to hang with the guys and get pictures taken all over, they would be like: can you cool it bc you already spoiled our ending.

I think he might be appearing on the MTA ala Courtney. Which I would love because it's just more screen time of him.

[nutty1]

Maybe he is appearing to judge viewer reaction in case The Farmer (I love that nickname!) has to harvest!

[notarose]

Nick & Andi ocean vid:

There are two sets of voiceovers. I combined them based of sound quality.

1. Higher vocal sound - camera angles: medium and far shot camera pan - in water

  Andi says: "It's just that I don't ... romance ... kind of with Nick"
  Nick says: "it's hard to believe... I feel the way I do... hanging out with Andi"

2. Lower pitched vocals on the sound track

  Andi says: "Everything about Nick is like passionate. I don't think I've ev-eer been with someone that passionate" (arial shot of them embracing in the water)
  Nick says: "We... have...an incredible intensity.  And we just fit. ( while carrying Andi out of the water)


http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/the-bachelorette-sneak-peek-nick-and-andi/5al3cn9?cpkey=a035c49f-57d1-4d1c-898d-b1eaefb66260%257c%257c%257c%257c



Thoughts anyone?

[isittrue]

Maybe he is appearing to judge viewer reaction in case The Farmer (I love that nickname!) has to harvest!

Or gasp, he or The Farmer are F1 since we know Josh is in Tampa.   

[sdmom]

stroll thDo you think they would let him go to LA to MTA to party with that tape out and anything?  I think if he was just going there to hang with the guys and get pictures taken all over, they would be like: can you cool it bc you already spoiled our ending.

I think he might be appearing on the MTA ala Courtney.  Which I would love because it's just more screen time of him.

I think Nick in LA is show related. I can't believe he flied there just to party with the guys. Or TPTB just doesn't care and let him casually stroll around town? Inconceivable!

[notarose]

Do you think they would let him go to LA to MTA to party with that tape out and anything?  I think if he was just going there to hang with the guys and get pictures taken all over, they would be like: can you cool it bc you already spoiled our ending.

I think he might be appearing on the MTA ala Courtney.  Which I would love because it's just more screen time of him.

It could just be logistics.

If Nick wants to see some of the guys from the show that he befriended, why fly all the over the country to visit them one by one when they will all be in the same place at one time.  I get that that doesn't fit into "the way things have always been done" but Nick has shown time and again that he isn't impressed with some of the illogical "process" rules. Also, everyone on the show learned the meaning of "life can be short" as exemplified by Eric's death.  It's possible that TPTB is allowing anyone to show up that wants to pay there own way in addition to paying for those who will appear on MTA.  Also, regarding Eric, there have been rumors in rag mags that the MTA will again include something about Eric.  Maybe a few guys are going to talk about him.

All the above is more about "real" than "show". A different perspective.

[Piper61]

I think he could be there to be on the MTA to speak to all of the conflict with the guys and it allows TPTB to gauge via audience reaction and SM reaction if people start softening toward Nick. If so, he could be a choice for the next Bach. And that could be a reason they were in Milwaukee with him filming a bachelor promo.

[isittrue]

I think he could be there to be on the MTA to speak to all of the conflict with the guys and it allows TPTB to gauge via audience reaction and SM reaction if people start softening toward Nick.  If so, he could be a choice for the next Bach.  And that could be a reason they were in Milwaukee with him filming a bachelor promo.  

Yes that makes sense.

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