Re: Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

[eirekay]

On the topic of intelligence I would just like to say that Josh graduated Magna Cum Laude from the University of Georgia Terry Business school with a management degree. The Terry business school is ranked in the top 50 both bachelor and master degrees in business. He has a job right now as a Financial Consultant for many athletes including his younger brother Aaron.

I'm a business student myself at a top 50 business school and I can tell you it's not as easy as you think it is. I went in thinking how hard could learning how to manage people and finances be? Turns out a lot harder than I thought it would be. I'm not saying that Josh is a genius or anything but he can more than hold his own in intelligence.

I was disappointed that TPTB showed Josh as such a one dimensional person throughout the season. I do think there is more to him then athletics and his family.

On the other hand, I was surprised at how much Josh embraced the "former Pro Baseball Player" tag that they saddled him with. He played into it WAYYYY too much IMO and that really limited the man we got to "meet".

[cindebugg]

A comment I can't make in the Josh fan thread:  I think he is being way too hard on Nick.  I know Nick was not the perfect gentleman last night, but the guy is hurting, and we all make mistakes when hurting.  Josh, however, is not hurting, and there is no reason for him to not only express displeasure at what Nick said, but to disparage Nick's character in some of the after-show interviews he has done (going into how no one liked him, how they won't associate with "people like that," and so on.  Defend Andi by acknowledging Nick went one comment too far; that is fine.  But the rest?  Not necessary and NOT classy).  Those quotes have really pissed me off at a time I wanted to celebrate with Josh and Andi.

You really think that Josh hasn't been hurt by Nick's words and antics?  Nick said some pretty classless things about Josh during filming and after. Nick has tried more than once to get in contact with Josh's fiancée. When that didn't work he sent her a long winded letter.  He favorited a tweet that said, I want to rape Josh and punch Andi in the face.  Nick didn't seem to have a problem disparaging Josh's character in the plane video.  There was nothing necessary or classy about anything Nick has done in the last 5 months,ATFR included.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of people never get the closure they want or need from broken relationships.   30 years ago I was engaged to a man that I had known all my life as we had both grown up going to the same church camp every summer.  One day he walked into my house, asked for the engagement ring back and walked out without saying another word.   Needless to say I was devastated.  I cried my tears, sucked it up and put the pieces of my life back together and moved on.  There wasn't one thought of gathering a crowd and telling tales out of school about the guy. 
Fast forward 25 years and I'm at the same church camp and I see him walking across the grounds right toward me. My heart was in my throat since I had not spoken to him in 25 years.   He says to me, Do you want to know why I broke off our engagement?  I said, sure.  He replied, I didn't care for the book you were reading and I thought it was unbecoming for a Christian woman.  I replied, Thank you for telling me, It confirms that you were actually a bigger idiot than I first suspected.

The moral of my long story is that sometimes you have to make it right with yourself by yourself.  You can't force people to tell you what you need to hear to move on.

[USAGold]

A comment I can't make in the Josh fan thread:  I think he is being way too hard on Nick.  I know Nick was not the perfect gentleman last night, but the guy is hurting, and we all make mistakes when hurting.  Josh, however, is not hurting, and there is no reason for him to not only express displeasure at what Nick said, but to disparage Nick's character in some of the after-show interviews he has done (going into how no one liked him, how they won't associate with "people like that," and so on.  Defend Andi by acknowledging Nick went one comment too far; that is fine.  But the rest?  Not necessary and NOT classy).  Those quotes have really pissed me off at a time I wanted to celebrate with Josh and Andi.

You really think that Josh hasn't been hurt by Nick's words and antics?  Nick said some pretty classless things about Josh during filming and after. Nick has tried more than once to get in contact with Josh's fiancée. When that didn't work he sent her a long winded letter.  He favorited a tweet that said, I want to rape Josh and punch Andi in the face.  Nick didn't seem to have a problem disparaging Josh's character in the plane video.  There was nothing necessary or classy about anything Nick has done in the last 5 months,ATFR included.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of people never get the closure they want or need from broken relationships.   30 years ago I was engaged to a man that I had known all my life as we had both grown up going to the same church camp every summer.  One day he walked into my house, asked for the engagement ring back and walked out without saying another word.   Needless to say I was devastated.  I cried my tears, sucked it up and put the pieces of my life back together and moved on.  There wasn't one thought of gathering a crowd and telling tales out of school about the guy. 
Fast forward 25 years and I'm at the same church camp and I see him walking across the grounds right toward me. My heart was in my throat since I had not spoken to him in 25 years.   He says to me, Do you want to know why I broke off our engagement?  I said, sure.  He replied, I didn't care for the book you were reading and I thought it was unbecoming for a Christian woman.  I replied, Thank you for telling me, It confirms that you were actually a bigger idiot than I first suspected.

The moral of my long story is that sometimes you have to make it right with yourself by yourself.  You can't force people to tell you what you need to hear to move on.

Bravo!! Well said! Actually I thought Andi & Josh handled it better than some people would!

Poor taste & made Nick look bad & selfish IMO

[eliza3]

A comment I can't make in the Josh fan thread:  I think he is being way too hard on Nick.  I know Nick was not the perfect gentleman last night, but the guy is hurting, and we all make mistakes when hurting.  Josh, however, is not hurting, and there is no reason for him to not only express displeasure at what Nick said, but to disparage Nick's character in some of the after-show interviews he has done (going into how no one liked him, how they won't associate with "people like that," and so on.  Defend Andi by acknowledging Nick went one comment too far; that is fine.  But the rest?  Not necessary and NOT classy).  Those quotes have really pissed me off at a time I wanted to celebrate with Josh and Andi.

You really think that Josh hasn't been hurt by Nick's words and antics?  Nick said some pretty classless things about Josh during filming and after. Nick has tried more than once to get in contact with Josh's fiancée. When that didn't work he sent her a long winded letter.  He favorited a tweet that said, I want to rape Josh and punch Andi in the face.  Nick didn't seem to have a problem disparaging Josh's character in the plane video.  There was nothing necessary or classy about anything Nick has done in the last 5 months,ATFR included.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of people never get the closure they want or need from broken relationships.   30 years ago I was engaged to a man that I had known all my life as we had both grown up going to the same church camp every summer.  One day he walked into my house, asked for the engagement ring back and walked out without saying another word.   Needless to say I was devastated.  I cried my tears, sucked it up and put the pieces of my life back together and moved on.  There wasn't one thought of gathering a crowd and telling tales out of school about the guy. 
Fast forward 25 years and I'm at the same church camp and I see him walking across the grounds right toward me. My heart was in my throat since I had not spoken to him in 25 years.   He says to me, Do you want to know why I broke off our engagement?  I said, sure.  He replied, I didn't care for the book you were reading and I thought it was unbecoming for a Christian woman.  I replied, Thank you for telling me, It confirms that you were actually a bigger idiot than I first suspected.

The moral of my long story is that sometimes you have to make it right with yourself by yourself.  You can't force people to tell you what you need to hear to move on.

Bravo!! Well said! Actually I thought Andi & Josh handled it better than some people would!

Poor taste & made Nick look bad & selfish IMO

Couldn't have said this any better….so I won't try! But I totally agree

[GuardianAngel]

A comment I can't make in the Josh fan thread:  I think he is being way too hard on Nick.  I know Nick was not the perfect gentleman last night, but the guy is hurting, and we all make mistakes when hurting.  Josh, however, is not hurting, and there is no reason for him to not only express displeasure at what Nick said, but to disparage Nick's character in some of the after-show interviews he has done (going into how no one liked him, how they won't associate with "people like that," and so on.  Defend Andi by acknowledging Nick went one comment too far; that is fine.  But the rest?  Not necessary and NOT classy).  Those quotes have really pissed me off at a time I wanted to celebrate with Josh and Andi.

I totally agree. He would have been a bigger man to show some empathy towards Nick, unlike his Diva. All the religious tweets from him that I enjoyed, suddenly are so hypocritical. I'm very disappointed in his behavior. IMO he is more embarrassed than anything else, and is justifying by saying they've moved on. That is the beginning IMO of "things" he's going to have to compromise and move on, until he can't anymore.

On the topic of intelligence I would just like to say that Josh graduated Magna Cum Laude from the University of Georgia Terry Business school with a management degree. The Terry business school is ranked in the top 50 both bachelor and master degrees in business. He has a job right now as a Financial Consultant for many athletes including his younger brother Aaron.

I'm a business student myself at a top 50 business school and I can tell you it's not as easy as you think it is. I went in thinking how hard could learning how to manage people and finances be? Turns out a lot harder than I thought it would be. I'm not saying that Josh is a genius or anything but he can more than hold his own in intelligence.

Thank you for reminding us of his education as we have been several times in the past. I'm sure that isn't an easy task to accomplish all that. As I have posted before on this subject, education is great, and I encourage everyone to get as much as possible. Having said that, life experience is also important. We learn by what cards have been dealt to us, good or bad, how we handle challenges, and how we can grow and mature according to God's path he directs us on, my opinion only. There is no book in any University that teaches you to treat others as you would like to be treated. Perhaps if Josh had dated during the last 5 yrs, and had his heart crushed several times, he might then have been able to understand what Nick was going through. It would have cost him nothing, to say he doesn't agree with how Nick handled it, however he understands his heartache and wishes him well. He said he didn't watch any of the show except his part. Perhaps he should have watched, this would have given him an indication of exactly why Nick was behaving the way he did.

Andi, the very same contestant on JPG's season that threw a fit after her FS which was her audition for Bachelorette, was fit to be tied, because JPG talked all night during her FS. Maybe she should have talked all night with Nick. She could have, but no, she chose to be intimate with a guy who clearly doesn't do one night stands.

When Andi threw her head back in the ocean, and said she wished she could say more after Nick told her he loved her, Josh might understand. Or the time, they were up against a tree, and she said she liked hearing him tell her he loved her or when she said, we saw her saying there is undeniable chemistry mental and physical between her and Nick over and over. For Josh to behave in the manner he has, in the media and on national TV, sadly I'm thinking he is her match made in heaven. Unfortunately two of the same types don't mesh well.

[rc49ers]

GA , has Josh and Andi's thread been closed ?
I thought I was on the wrong forum .
it seems like only nick threads are moving .
tia
rc

[stuckinsc]

GA , has Josh and Andi's thread been closed ?
I thought I was on the wrong forum .
it seems like only nick threads are moving .
tia
rc

rc, they are now with the other couple fan threads. Go to where you go for Des and Chris and they will be two lines up. Enjoy!

[stuckinsc]

A comment I can't make in the Josh fan thread:  I think he is being way too hard on Nick.  I know Nick was not the perfect gentleman last night, but the guy is hurting, and we all make mistakes when hurting.  Josh, however, is not hurting, and there is no reason for him to not only express displeasure at what Nick said, but to disparage Nick's character in some of the after-show interviews he has done (going into how no one liked him, how they won't associate with "people like that," and so on.  Defend Andi by acknowledging Nick went one comment too far; that is fine.  But the rest?  Not necessary and NOT classy).  Those quotes have really pissed me off at a time I wanted to celebrate with Josh and Andi.

I totally agree. He would have been a bigger man to show some empathy towards Nick, unlike his Diva. All the religious tweets from him that I enjoyed, suddenly are so hypocritical. I'm very disappointed in his behavior. IMO he is more embarrassed than anything else, and is justifying by saying they've moved on. That is the beginning IMO of "things" he's going to have to compromise and move on, until he can't anymore.

On the topic of intelligence I would just like to say that Josh graduated Magna Cum Laude from the University of Georgia Terry Business school with a management degree. The Terry business school is ranked in the top 50 both bachelor and master degrees in business. He has a job right now as a Financial Consultant for many athletes including his younger brother Aaron.

I'm a business student myself at a top 50 business school and I can tell you it's not as easy as you think it is. I went in thinking how hard could learning how to manage people and finances be? Turns out a lot harder than I thought it would be. I'm not saying that Josh is a genius or anything but he can more than hold his own in intelligence.

Thank you for reminding us of his education as we have been several times in the past. I'm sure that isn't an easy task to accomplish all that. As I have posted before on this subject, education is great, and I encourage everyone to get as much as possible. Having said that, life experience is also important. We learn by what cards have been dealt to us, good or bad, how we handle challenges, and how we can grow and mature according to God's path he directs us on, my opinion only. There is no book in any University that teaches you to treat others as you would like to be treated. Perhaps if Josh had dated during the last 5 yrs, and had his heart crushed several times, he might then have been able to understand what Nick was going through. It would have cost him nothing, to say he doesn't agree with how Nick handled it, however he understands his heartache and wishes him well. He said he didn't watch any of the show except his part. Perhaps he should have watched, this would have given him an indication of exactly why Nick was behaving the way he did.

Andi, the very same contestant on JPG's season that threw a fit after her FS which was her audition for Bachelorette, was fit to be tied, because JPG talked all night during her FS. Maybe she should have talked all night with Nick. She could have, but no, she chose to be intimate with a guy who clearly doesn't do one night stands.

When Andi threw her head back in the ocean, and said she wished she could say more after Nick told her he loved her, Josh might understand. Or the time, they were up against a tree, and she said she liked hearing him tell her he loved her or when she said, we saw her saying there is undeniable chemistry mental and physical between her and Nick over and over. For Josh to behave in the manner he has, in the media and on national TV, sadly I'm thinking he is her match made in heaven. Unfortunately two of the same types don't mesh well.

GA, I am so glad that you noticed this too. I have been a huge Josh fan, and his behavior today seems so opposite to me of the man I liked and respected before the season. Forgiveness is such an important trait of Christianity, I wish I was seeing more if it from him.

[rc49ers]

[quote="stuckinsc"]

GA , has Josh and Andi's thread been closed ?
I thought I was on the wrong forum .
it seems like only nick threads are moving .
tia
rc

rc, they are now with the other couple fan threads.  Go to where you go for Des and Chris and they will be two lines up.  Enjoy![/quoteThanks stucinsc , I thought they got deleted .

   

[stuckinsc]

GA , has Josh and Andi's thread been closed ?
I thought I was on the wrong forum .
it seems like only nick threads are moving .
tia
rc

rc, they are now with the other couple fan threads.  Go to where you go for Des and Chris and they will be two lines up.  Enjoy![/quoteThanks stucinsc , I thought they got deleted .

   

Even if we don't love the same couples all the time you are one of the classiest and most inspirational women, so I am happy to guide you to your happy place.   

[Guest]

A comment I can't make in the Josh fan thread:  I think he is being way too hard on Nick.  I know Nick was not the perfect gentleman last night, but the guy is hurting, and we all make mistakes when hurting.  Josh, however, is not hurting, and there is no reason for him to not only express displeasure at what Nick said, but to disparage Nick's character in some of the after-show interviews he has done (going into how no one liked him, how they won't associate with "people like that," and so on.  Defend Andi by acknowledging Nick went one comment too far; that is fine.  But the rest?  Not necessary and NOT classy).  Those quotes have really pissed me off at a time I wanted to celebrate with Josh and Andi.

You really think that Josh hasn't been hurt by Nick's words and antics?  Nick said some pretty classless things about Josh during filming and after. Nick has tried more than once to get in contact with Josh's fiancée. When that didn't work he sent her a long winded letter.  He favorited a tweet that said, I want to rape Josh and punch Andi in the face.  Nick didn't seem to have a problem disparaging Josh's character in the plane video.  There was nothing necessary or classy about anything Nick has done in the last 5 months,ATFR included.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of people never get the closure they want or need from broken relationships.   30 years ago I was engaged to a man that I had known all my life as we had both grown up going to the same church camp every summer.  One day he walked into my house, asked for the engagement ring back and walked out without saying another word.   Needless to say I was devastated.  I cried my tears, sucked it up and put the pieces of my life back together and moved on.  There wasn't one thought of gathering a crowd and telling tales out of school about the guy. 
Fast forward 25 years and I'm at the same church camp and I see him walking across the grounds right toward me. My heart was in my throat since I had not spoken to him in 25 years.   He says to me, Do you want to know why I broke off our engagement?  I said, sure.  He replied, I didn't care for the book you were reading and I thought it was unbecoming for a Christian woman.  I replied, Thank you for telling me, It confirms that you were actually a bigger idiot than I first suspected.

The moral of my long story is that sometimes you have to make it right with yourself by yourself.  You can't force people to tell you what you need to hear to move on.

Bravo!! Well said! Actually I thought Andi & Josh handled it better than some people would!

Poor taste & made Nick look bad & selfish IMO

Well said, C.  Thanks for sharing your story.  I think what Nick said was very hurtful to Josh.  He knew she was dating others on the show.  I think that Andi very much regrets it in hindsight and I hope the very best for Josh and Andi.  I hope Nick can heal.

[Luvvy]

Honestly I think Josh would have left it at I'm praying for him if EVERY. SINGLE. INTERVIEW. and question had not been about Nick...then in the HuffPost Interview he was forced to watch it (which he said he did not watch atfr because he was getting ready) so I will cut him some slack in that he's reacting to something he saw for the first time. Whereas I do feel like Nick was calculated in his outburst of calling Andi out. The difference between Josh and Nick is intent! jmo

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