Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #2

[Guest]

I said this in another thread, does the type of Fd dates have significance? Note Josh has the market date while Nick has the beach date? Before spoilers we look for the intimate date in FD and the one with best room as the F1 (unless lead changes mind so it becomes f1 for that week).

absofrigginlutely!.  ..see my take here :

https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t2457p696-nick-viall-bachelorette-10-fan-forum-spoilers-discussion-thread-2

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[Guest]

Am I wrong that I am more TeamNick than TeamNiAn? This happens to me all the time!

No I feel the same way   

After I read the spoilers the only reason I focused on Nick was because I didn't want to miss a love story between Nick and Andi like I missed the love story between Des and Chris.  

As the season has progressed for all the reasons other posters have so eloquently stated I have grown to   Nick.

I'll be a Nick fan for life.  Andi/Josh/Chris and the rest of the cast not so much  

to the bolded....i can honestly say,starting from Des's season, if we want a happy ending for a wuv story just root for the spoiled poor F2!! :P ..How classy of you, Fleiss!...NOT.   

[Guest]

jen689  :WAVEY:  where can i find the updates of Meandi's Blog (the Nick' s part) ?  . TIA

[Karche]

 --- :sweetheart: THE SECRET ROMANCE BETWEEN  :peanutbutter:  AND THE   ----

Why are Reese's peanut butter cups and red wine so good together?

— Andi Dorfman (@AndiDorfman) July 3, 2014

If you have a whole bottle of red wine.. You'll end up with purple teeth.  Now I know.#TheBachelorette

— Nicholas Viall (@viallnicholas28) June 17, 2014

PS: relax y'all ....this is just for my own amusement

Don't forget Nick's tweet: gosh I love peanut butter! So if peanut butter is code for andi and red wine is nick then they have just professed their love on twitter!  

[jen689]

....the questioning of it, reminds me of the other side and i prefer to block that out of my mind...  

We probably should be discussing the bracelet in the Nick contestants thread.  
Sometimes I forget what thread I'm on  

[Guest]

 --*snipped*

Don't forget Nick's tweet: gosh I love peanut butter! So if peanut butter is code for andi and red wine is nick then they have just professed their love on twitter!  

good one Karche!...i will update mine!....yes...the peanut butter!....how can i forget that?....i was looking for the one of Andi and Kelly holding red wine but i cant seem to find it!...i will revised this!...Boy..i hope i dont cause the lovebirds too much trouble by 'decoding' their virtual romance nick name!... 


Updates :


 --- :sweetheart: THE SECRET ROMANCE BETWEEN  :peanutbutter:  AND THE   ----

3 days after 4th of July (the alleged SH visit). Just sayin again.  

Gosh I love peanut butter

— Nicholas Viall (@viallnicholas28) July 7, 2014

just before 4th of July (the alleged SH visit).Just sayin.  

Why are Reese's peanut butter cups and red wine so good together?

— Andi Dorfman (@AndiDorfman) July 3, 2014

Where it all begins  :whistle: 

If you have a whole bottle of red wine.. You'll end up with purple teeth.  Now I know.#TheBachelorette

— Nicholas Viall (@viallnicholas28) June 17, 2014

Peanut Butter Scene :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJNKpc_aBRo&list=PLkB4oXgMAPBM8X1CKhUX4x_Boecg44VjP&index=15 (1:20)

Did i miss something? feel free to add!    

[jen689]

jen689  :WAVEY:   where can i find the updates of Meandi's Blog (the Nick' s part) ?  . TIA

Episode 1 All About Meeting The Men

When it came time to hand out my first impression rose, I had a lot of great options – Chris, JJ and Marcus to name a few – but my instinct to give it to Nick V. was definitely reaffirmed when I had some time to talk to him. I saw a lot of his personality in myself. I remember how skeptical I was that first night and I saw it in him. I wanted to give him the rose to let him know to have a little faith in me and in this process as well. I wanted him to get over some of his fears.

Episode 2 Sad, Raunchy and Sweet all in One Episode - No mention of Nick

Episode 3 My First Kiss With Nick Was Passionate And Romantic

It was my first time in Santa Barbara, and we stayed at the beautiful Bacara – right on the beach. My first date was with Nick. Obviously, he had made a great impression on me the very first night, and I wanted to get to know him more. Nick had voiced his skepticism about this whole process, so I thought he would enjoy a simple and very realistic date like bike riding and hiking.  

During our picnic, I could tell Nick was nervous, but I found it endearing. While we were hiking, I knew I wanted to show Nick this special place to watch the sunset, but what you didn't get to see was that we actually had to climb through a narrow hole in a rock wall to get there. Once we got through that and were enjoying the sunset, that's when Nick went in for our first kiss and it was so passionate and romantic. Later that night, we met at the beautiful Santa Barbara courthouse for dinner.

Throughout dinner I found myself relating to Nick in so many ways. On a mental level, we were definitely connected, and for many reasons, it was an easy decision to give Nick the rose on the date.

The rose ceremony involved a lot more drama then I knew about! But there were some really sweet and romantic moments during the cocktail party too. Nick sending flowers was romantic, unexpected and yet so simple. I think it showed how realistic Nick was in this process. What I mean by that is, Nick made an effort to make this process feel more like we were dating back in Chicago. I really appreciated that, and as a woman, that's definitely how I want to be treated.

Episode 4 I Love Connecting with Dylan during 'Emotional Conversation'

The Rosebuds and I had a cocktail party that evening, and I really enjoyed my time with them. Nick and I had great chemistry that night and was a perfect follow up to our one-on-one date.

Just like in Santa Barbara, I felt like Nick and I continued to have this intense mental and physical connection. The kisses were amazing and he definitely knows how to make me feel like a woman, and I loved how passionate he was.

Episode 5 My Incredible Date with Josh

Nevertheless, the guys were great sports as usual – except Nick. I know Nick and I had a great connection from our date in Santa Barbara, and I know it’s hard to adjust back to group dates, but I remember really not liking Nick’s standoffish behavior. Little did I know that that would follow through the evening as well.

As soon as I walked back into the cocktail party I could feel that something was off with the guys. I started talking to then individually and I got the sense that there was some tension between the guys and Nick – specifically that Nick had suggested to some effect that he was the "frontrunner." Obviously I don’t like this term, because it made me feel like this was a competition and that I’m a prize, and like Olivia Pope has said, "I am not a prize at the state fair. You cannot win me!" Needless to say, I was not happy at the turn of events that night.

Episode 6 It Felt Like Nick and I Were Boyfriend and Girlfriend

I had a tough decision to make for the first one-on-one date. I knew Cody was the only guy who hadn't had a one-on-one date yet, but after last week's confusing group date, I knew I had some things I needed to talk to Nick about. Plus, I knew I had a perfect date that fit Cody's personality coming up later that week. So, I made what was probably an unpopular decision – to bring Nick on that first date. I just held onto hope that Cody would have faith and understand.

My date with Nick started off with a walk around Venice and a beautiful gondola ride. We were swarmed by pigeons in Piazza San Marco and had the best gelato I've ever tasted. I remember thinking how natural it felt between Nick and me that day. It really just felt like we were boyfriend and girlfriend in this amazingly beautiful city. Seeing the city by gondola made the whole day so much more romantic. Nick brought the passion and made me feel so special. My favorite kiss of the day was when we were floating underneath the famous Bridge of Sighs. According to local legend, if you kiss under the Bridge of Sighs, you're supposed to have eternal love. I had always felt a mental and physical connection with Nick and today was no different. This was the Nick that I have loved getting to know.

Later that night, Nick and I got all dressed up for a special dinner in a stunning masquerade hall. I'll never forget riding up on a gondola and seeing Nick standing there in his Italian tuxedo – He looked so handsome! He joked that night that he felt like he was James Bond!

I had my concerns with Nick from the previous week because he seemed to not be getting along with some of the guys, which was a major turnoff. Nick actually owned up to his part of the drama. He explained that he's confident, not arrogant, in the relationship that we had been building and that's probably what had rubbed the other guys the wrong way. I liked that Nick was honest about the situation and I decided to trust him knowing that there was bound to be drama, but it was definitely something I knew I had to keep my eye on.

As if the night couldn't have gone any better, Nick got all nervous and started mumbling his words and I knew something big was coming. When he finally found his courage, he told me that he was falling in love. I was so happy that Nick was allowing himself to have those feelings for me – especially considering how skeptical he had been in the beginning of this journey. At the end of the night, I felt that although taking Nick for the first date was unconventional, I felt so much better about where he and I stood with each other and was so happy to kick off the week with such an unbelievable date!

Nick stealing me first was a bold move to make. I really loved seeing him take the initiative and I wished all the guys could step up like that.

Episode 7 Being Sneaky (Nick) vs Being a Gentleman (Marcus)

I have to admit, I had been waiting for a guy to sneak over this season, and it hadn't happened yet, so I figured it wasn't going to sad. But when I least expected it, there was a knock on the door and it was Nick! It was so cute to see how nervous Nick was when he knocked on the door! I was completely taken by surprise, but I loved it! What I liked most about it was that all Nick really wanted to do was go for a walk. He didn't feel the need to sneak off into an ocean or go to a hot tub.

Walking the streets of Belgium with Nick was so romantic. It was such a rush to know that we were just out on the town. Nick really made me feel special that night and he definitely brought the passion. Although we had a great time, I will say that I felt a little guilty knowing I had just come off a great date with Marcus and had another date the next day, but nonetheless I loved Nick's effort!

I met Dylan, Nick, Chris and Brian at these old ruins in the countryside. Again, another beautiful spot in Belgium! I'm telling you, this country was as picturesque as it gets! We rode bike carts through the country (well I rode, they pedaled, haha)

I had great conversations with all of the guys, and ultimately, gave the group date rose to Nick. Nick had been so open with me, both on the night he snuck over and that day at the monastery. Here he was, this skeptic, who was now telling me he was ready for marriage.

I felt so good about our relationship and I remembered how special I felt getting that hometown rose last season and I knew I wanted Nick to feel that same way. It was so sad to watch the other guys leave the date, but dinner with Nick was so great and we ended the night with fireworks, which for me capped off a great week of dates!

The time with each guy went well – until Nick swooped in on Brian's time. I have to say, I was a little disappointed in this "move," but I also understand that at this point, time is crucial, and a rose, while important, isn't nearly as important as building the relationship.

Episode 8 Meeting the Men's Families

A Bumpy Ride on the Way to Nick

As soon as the rose ceremony finished I was on a plane from Brussels to Milwaukee. I had a smooth flight to New York, but as soon as I got there, the rain started, and that's when the trouble began. All of my flights were cancelled that day, and there were several moments I wasn't even sure if I was going to make it to Milwaukee! Finally, I was able to hop onto a shuttle to go to a different New York airport, got on a flight to Chicago and then, finally, drove to Milwaukee. This was by far the toughest travel day yet.

As a result of all the cancelled flights, needless to say, my bags did not make it to Milwaukee. The next morning, I woke up super early to get to the mall and shop for an outfit. I really wanted to look nice for Nick and his family and was so happy I was able to put something together!

After all of that, I was finally ready and excited to see Nick in his hometown of Milwaukee. I met Nick at a local market and Nick told me that he also had travel troubles getting to Milwaukee and actually landed that morning! I can't believe we both almost missed the hometown! After snacking on some yummy cheese curds, Nick took me to this brewery where he had a surprise for me. What you didn't get to see was that Nick had a table in the back with all of his friends waiting for us to sit and hang out. Nick got so emotional when he was reunited with his friends, and it was really sweet to see that side of Nick. It was refreshing to see Nick in his element with his friends because I knew he had been having such a hard time being around all of the guys in the house. And then there was polka! My polka dancing was about as bad as we all have come to expect from me, but it was fun to "hop" around nonetheless.

The thing I was most nervous about for Nick's hometown was trying to remember all of his siblings' names. Nick has 10 siblings and let me tell you, it seems like a whole lot more when you see them all in person. Nick's sister Maria was definitely the most concerned about the situation. I really appreciated Maria's questions, though, because it was all out of love for her brother. My favorite conversation of the night definitely had to be with Bella, Nick's youngest sister. Bella was so adorable, but she also caught me off guard with some tough questions! I think Bella definitely has a career as a lawyer in her future! All in all, it was really great to see Nick with his family. I learned a lot about Nick that day and I was just so happy that my first hometown went as smoothly as it did!

[MonicaJM2001]

Head vs heart.  I think the editors want us to think her heart is with Josh and her head is with Nick due to the mental connection she told Bella.  However, I think her heart is with Nick and her head is saying "Look, if you choose Josh, you'll have all this fun family time - right here where you live!".  

Her heart is definitely with Nick, the man who took her by surprise, who she even said wasn't usually her type but who she feels so much passion and common ground with, who can just open up and be genuine with her. Josh obviously is what her head tells her is best since he is the type of guy she usually goes for and as mentioned above, lives in same area. It's too bad her head isn't asking her why go for the usual guy when it obviously hasn't worked out in the past? Yes maybe Nick is a road she hasn't traveled before but that is the point isn't it? After dating a bunch of jocks unsucessfully, boom there is Nick.

[Guest]

Jen!..much appreciated!

[jen689]

Here's what Chris Harrison has to say about Nick in his weekly blog

Episode 1 no mention of Nick

Episode 2 no mention of Nick

Episode 3 - Nick got the first one-on-one date. Andi was impressed by Nick and was really looking forward to their date. It’s really interesting to see these men melt into nervous little boys when they get around Andi. We saw it with Josh last week, and we now saw it with Nick. Is it just me, or does Andi seem to have deeper more meaningful conversations than many Bachelorettes have in the past? Nick and Andi shared an incredible evening. He easily got the rose but more importantly, got his first kiss.

I remember watching that night and feeling bad for Eric as he finally got some solid one-on-one time with Andi only to interrupted by a flower delivery man. Nick took it upon himself to send Andi flowers. I can’t believe as long as we’ve been doing this show that Nick is the first person to send a woman flowers. It was a great move and it made a huge impression on Andi. Well played, sir!

Episode 4 - no mention of Nick

Episode 5 - Andi's falling in love - The episode started with me sitting down with her at a little street corner cafe. She was in really good spirits to start the week as she admitted to me she’s falling in love. The only issue is that it was happening with more than one person. I know it’s an odd thing to say, but it’s what happens when you come in and really open yourself up to the possibilities, like Andi has.

The real interesting part of this date was at the after party. First came the issue with Nick. The guys have had a problem with Nick for a little while now. For some reason he just rubs some of them the wrong way. I’ve seen this before on the show. Either Nick is just too arrogant and shoves his successes in everyone’s faces, or there’s just a little bit of jealousy towards someone that’s clearly getting attention from Andi. Either way, he’s not the most popular with the guys and this isn’t over yet. Andi could sense the drama at this party and it definitely ruined the good mood she was in. She said it on the show and told me later as well when really nice guys like Chris and Cody speak up she feels like she should listen, but for now she’s going with her gut and sticking with Nick. JJ got the rose on this date and this didn’t seem to sit to well with Nick.

Episode 6 - Andi met the boys in Venice and let them know the week would start off with a one-on-one date immediately. Most of the guys assumed that Cody would get it as he was the only guy left who hadn’t received a one-on-one yet. Much to Cody’s chagrin, Andi decided to give Nick the first date this week. Andi had some unresolved issues with Nick that were lingering from last week. Some of the guys Andi really believes in let her know that Nick wasn’t the most popular guy in the house and she was a bit worried about that. I think she took Nick on the first date this week to get to the bottom of that. The situation with Nick is one that I see a lot on the show. At what point are you just being bold, strong, and looking for love and at what point are you being rude or disrespectful? Nick hasn’t shied away from anything he’s said or done and completely owned up to it with Andi. If he’s denied it or acted like he was being bullied, it would have been a disaster for him, but instead he’s open and honest and flat out told Andi exactly how he feels. As you saw, Andi loved it and it only got deeper and better from her perspective at the rose ceremony. Nick and Andi have something strong between them, and he easily got the rose.

It was a surprise to the guys that Nick jumped up with a rose already on his chest and grabbed Andi first. As the guys put it, a total “Nick” move. But herein lies the problem: Did you see and hear Andi’s reaction? She loved it and said “that is a man.” So why wouldn’t Nick be this bold? When I sat down with Andi in deliberation it was the first time I’ve seen her doubt herself and this whole process. She wasn’t in a great place. I think it was a combination of her troubles with Josh and the guys having such an issue with Nick. These are two guys who were very high on her list and now she’s not sure what to make of either one of them.

Episode 7 - What really stood out on this date and the entire week is Nick. He is somehow forefront on the minds of all the other guys. He has rattled their cages. The big question is, is this intentional? And if it is intentional, do you care or should you care? The guys complain of Nick scheming and strategizing, but is that wrong? Some have said I was defending Nick and his actions. I’m actually not. It’s not really my place to take a side on this. I just find it incredibly interesting to see the reactions from the guys but also getting to see and hear Andi’s reactions.

You see, the guys are sick of Nick’s antics, but Andi is eating them up. She can’t get enough of this guy and loves how he takes charge and makes their relationship happen. Sneaking to her room, stealing time and kisses, it’s all working exactly as intended. He’s wooing her. Now what I would take exception to is if I felt he was being dishonest with his intentions with Andi and felt he was using her in some way. I don’t feel that way at all. I felt the entire time that Nick’s intentions were true and his feelings were real.

So now it’s up to you to answer the question on if you dislike the way Nick is going about this. When he got back from the group date wearing the rose and riding high the guys went after him. Do you think they have a legitimate beef here or were they just jealous of a guy who had a game plan of trying to get the girl and is executing that plan to perfection? What isn’t up for debate is the fact that Nick is not a popular guy right now. But what also isn’t up for debate is that he loves Andi, she really likes him, and he’s got a hometown date.

Episode 8 – I know Nick has been in the hot seat the last couple of weeks, and maybe deservedly so, but I really think his hometown showed a very different side of him. There is a lot of love in that family and it really showed when Nick and Andi sat down to visit with them. I’ll be anxious to know if seeing Nick in this light changes anyone’s opinion of him.

Nick’s little sister, Bella, is adorable. I loved how she peppered Andi with questions and absolutely forgot everything. I was completely impressed that Andi remembered everybody’s name. I quizzed her later and she still had it all down.

[happygolucky]

I have to spill out to feel better, so skip the 1st paragraph if you don't want the talk about the plane.

Code:

The reason why to a lot of us it appears to be so real - the video - is because Nick is himself. He is giving his honest opinion on the matter of circumstances. His valuation of the whole picture is correct, if you believe him when says, she went back to what she's used of. That's the only part that changes the whole interpretation of the situation. Did she, didn't she. We'll see.

Other thing that I've been bothering my mind, is the type of relationship, love connection that I see Nick bringing into this show. I called it before grown-up, mature relationship ... because that's how I view in retrospect of my life. Once you go through different experience, from which you learn and take the best out of it, once you experience the heartbreaks that leave you wanting more, that's kind of LOVE  you crave for.
You want the passion above all. You want honesty, open, almost brutal, straight forward sincerity, that transpires in your mutual respect and faith in each-other, it become your safety net, your harbor, your solace, your truth. You want to be accepted with all your flaws and that means you need to be open and accepting of your other half too. You want to be understood, so that there is no need to explain yourself and give excuses for doing what you want. Because you want your freedom, to be able to make choices out of your own pleasure, but still in mutual benefit. You know that life is a compromise, but you choose the best partner whom to compromise with. Because it is clear that once he/she enters into your life, your life depends on them and theirs on yours. I couldn't find quite right words how to explain, until yesterday reading Emusha's post ... it finally made sense.
It's an intimate relationship. That's the word. Intimate, where you bare your soul and allow to be seen "in your worst", but that also gives you a chance to experience genuinely the best moments of your life. Partner-in-crime, she called it... love that definition, because that's what it is. You 2 against all odds. You don't need your partner to be the same as you. You two don't need to walk the same path or have the same kind of attitude towards something, but you do share the common goal, understanding, feeling, where your needs and desires always meet. You accept each others' differences, and the passion is in uniting them. That sometimes can bring strong emotions, that gives the relationship the constant flow, it moves it, it makes you question, challenge, change ... for the better. It's never dull, it doesn't stall, it's never easy, although after time it appears to be, because you both get so used and understand each other, that eventually even fear disappears. Important is to leave your pride and ego outside of the door. Once you 2 are together, even if in the room full of people, you 2 are all that matters. Your well-being. And when one is hurting, the other is hurting with them, and when one is joyful, the other takes on the bliss. It's love, pure and simple. No mind games. Because that you leave for the outside world or for those moments when you want to play (and you know what kind of play I mean). You 2 are number one priority to each other. Which gives you the serenity and calmness, especially in times apart. And that to me is real happiness. An amazing gift if you find a person like that. If you find a connection like that.

I would never let go. I strive for it. I want it, I live to experience it. But that's just me and some people don't have the same views and same desires as me ... so who knows what Andi wants ... but we all can see what Nick has to offer. True love. His soul, his heart ...
and be d*** who tries to play with it.

[MonicaJM2001]

Reading Andi's blog and can't help but wonder, could her headline for Nick's date stand as really the headline/theme for the season?

"A Bumpy Ride on the Way to Nick"

Rather perfect IMO.   

Whether she meant to or not, that is a brilliant summary of this season.

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