Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #2

[happygolucky]

Can someone explain to me how the episodes go from now on ... I didn't understand ... so now they go to DR for FD, where Andi can have FS? (uuau, the abbreviations are confusing me, but think I get them) And when the guys meet her parents? When FRC? And What is Man tell all - who talks there?

Another silly thing. Can I just say, how strange it is to hear Polka - that specific song on today's show that comes from my country - being played in WI. Ahahahah, we call it a "cow's music" ... which should be some sort of our nation "country music" - but it does go well with a beer ... and drunken nights. And you also cannot be bad at dancing it.

[Guest]

EP. 9 Preview :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGIGUch1J3E&list=UUBJHeXfPOhztXdFSsAh1fyw

[Guest]

Can someone explain to me how the episodes go from now on ... I didn't understand ... so now they go to DR for FD, where Andi can have FS? (uuau, the abbreviations are confusing me, but think I get them) And when the guys meet her parents? When FRC? And What is Man tell all - who talks there?

Another silly thing. Can I just say, how strange it is to hear Polka - that specific song on today's show that comes from my country - being played in WI. Ahahahah, we call it a "cow's music" ... which should be some sort of our nation "country music" - but it does go well with a beer ... and drunken nights. And you also cannot be bad at dancing it.

July 14 th : Fantasy Dates ----usually includes an invite to Fantasy Suite overnight with no cameras. 1 guy sent home (F3)

July 21th : MTA. all the guys plus F3 talk with Andi.

July 28th : finale : MTP : both Andi's F2 meet the parents. then LCD (Last Chance Date) for both guys--no overnight. then FRC.The last guy standing got the Final Rose (FR). All in the same episode (2 hrs)
ATFR (After the Final Rose) : usually live. on the same day with the finale . Andi talk with her F2. and then the happy couple unite (1hrs)

[Guest]

Looks like the Vialls coming out from their cave    

Pink blazer on Nick. Looking to stand out with the little things #TeamNick

— James Viall (@jviall) July 8, 2014

A friend think it must mean something for his brother to have made that tweet. re: the little things mantra

[jen689]

Nick and Andi in WI

Episode 8 ~ Nick and Andi tour Milwaukee



Episode 8 ~ Andi meets Nick’s family



Episode 8 ~ Andi and Nick talk to Bella

[happygolucky]

Mura ... I jumped too soon, not realizing that there's more to come (for some reason I thought this is the end) ... so I hope I didn't call some bad karma ...
but, no, noone can convince me now, that what I've seen is wrong.
There was a guy, who fell in love, thought to be her soul-mate or. that she is his ... and he was let go ... and it wasn't Nick ... so I have very little doubt, that it would happen again with Nick.
He loves her for real (yes, I'm not saying that others don't, it's just that here we prefer to talk just about our boy) ... and he shows her with every word, every touch, action, reaction, he understands her and gets her ... and boy she was into him from the start.
And then goes the math I have tried to solve in the other thread:
so it's very simple to follow social media "friendships" to understand the logic behind it:
- Marcus called out Nick, to be the guy who would walk away from F2.
He later in some SM comment stated just, that Nick is a good (great, dunno exact word) guy.
Sum: something happened to make him change his mind:
1) Nick didn't leave on his own
2) he realized that Nick had genuine feelings for Andi
- Chris, Brian, Dylan, ... they said Nick isn't there for the right reasons
Later they all say he was, he is genuine and honest.
Sum: they had to get some sort of proof that Nick meant every word/move.
- The only 2 possibilities are that he proposed and got rejected or proposed and is engaged now.
Nick is friends with Chris.
Chris is friends with Josh and Marcus.
Marcus is friends with Josh, but he isn't friends with Nick.
Nick isn't friends with Josh.
Now if F4 is the "in-love dumped guy" ... he cannot be friends with F1 (who is in-love get the girl guy).
F4 can be friends with F3 and F2, because they were both let go (and didn't get the girl of their desire)
F3 (usually doesn't develop as strong feelings as F2 and F1, because he/she already sensed to not have all the chances during the race) can be friends with F1, F2 and F4.
F2 can be friends with F4 and F3, but cannot be friends with F1 (explanation above and below)
F1 can only be friends with F3, but cannot be friends with F2, because he was his strongest antagonist (they can be on good terms, but not friends) ...
so in that conclusion to me it's clear who F1 is.

[happygolucky]

Nick surprised me during his date. I felt like we saw a different side to him.
Chris Harrison: I wasn't. I'll be interested to know if it changes anyone's opinions of him or if he is really just disliked by fans. This is always who he was; he just didn't play well with others. Maybe I just identified with Nick. I'm not saying I would've gone about it the same way, but I don't know how I'd act in a situation where I really like or even love this girl and she's still dating other guys. I would want what Nick wanted, which is her to myself. I guess I empathize where he was coming from and never took it for such a horrible thing. The other guys were able to deal with it by "bro-ing out" and for Nick, he doesn't get what they're doing and why they're so happy on a group date. So I think we saw the true Nick this week.

His little sister was the cutest!
Harrison: Bella was absolutely adorable, and I love that she grilled [Andi] and then like a total kid remembered nothing.

ETA: That kid remembered everything, it's you TPTB who made her "forget" ... because who wants to know the answers? ... and Nick shouldn't have that much confidence till the end, because when she has to make a decision who she wants, he has to be surprised, on the edge of his nerves, stunned, ...

[MonicaJM2001]

SM is atleast somewhat getting a clue as I saw alot of "oh Nick's not bad after all" type tweets. Of course there were still the sheep who demand he be sent home because he is a terrible person SMH. I really loved his HTD. Gosh his family is insane (in a good way). And for his mom to look the way she does after what 11 kids?!!!!!!!!!!!! Watching Nick just let loose and get to be goofy without the fear of getting a beat down later when the date ended was just so refreshing. He and Andi were just so easy going and "normal." He took her around his hometown and just kept it casual while still fun. I noticed with his date he didn't do something that screamed "LOOK AT ME" ie flying a plane dedication, or doing a baseball date (2nd yr in a row with one of those) or a strip tease. Not that anything was wrong with any of that but it is nice to see he kept it simple and about the "little things" as seems to be a theme for him. Even Andi mentioned last week in her blog how when Nick snuck out to see her, he wanted to just go for a walk, not to a pool or hot tub or Ocean. I like Andi more when I see her around Nick, her personality is more relaxed and pleasant. I did get a lump in my throat though when the sister was talking to Andi and she was tearing up at the possibility of Nick having another heartbreak. And then when they were saying goodbye and she asked him "what?" and he kept saying nothing. It was so cute because he knew she knew what he wanted to say....He was so busted . I also noticed during the revealing about Eric when the producers came in, I saw Nick in Elan in a very very long embrace, I mean obviously everyone was there for each other but I do remember seeing speculation of Elan being Nick's handler and that long embrace made me think maybe that is true.

[MonicaJM2001]

Nick surprised me during his date. I felt like we saw a different side to him.
Chris Harrison: I wasn't. I'll be interested to know if it changes anyone's opinions of him or if he is really just disliked by fans. This is always who he was; he just didn't play well with others. Maybe I just identified with Nick. I'm not saying I would've gone about it the same way, but I don't know how I'd act in a situation where I really like or even love this girl and she's still dating other guys. I would want what Nick wanted, which is her to myself. I guess I empathize where he was coming from and never took it for such a horrible thing. The other guys were able to deal with it by "bro-ing out" and for Nick, he doesn't get what they're doing and why they're so happy on a group date. So I think we saw the true Nick this week.

His little sister was the cutest!
Harrison: Bella was absolutely adorable, and I love that she grilled [Andi] and then like a total kid remembered nothing.

ETA: That kid remembered everything, it's you TPTB who made her "forget" ... because who wants to know the answers? ... and Nick shouldn't have that much confidence till the end, because when she has to make a decision who she wants, he has to be surprised, on the edge of his nerves, stunned, ..

The above is nice to see. I mean I never bought the Nick is evil editing to begin with but it is nice to see people affiliated with the show and contestants who once railed on him now stepping back and admitting he is a good, genuine guy.

[happygolucky]

Head vs. Heart

people assume it's a battle between 2 people and who to choose ...
but it's not ... you can have the inner battle of what you think and what you feel about certain person ...
and at the end what you feel might prevail over the thoughts ... over the fears ...
but it might still not be defining reason to choose that person,
meaning ...
for a real, genuine, honest, passionate, mature-serious-for-family relationship you need 3 spheres:
body, mind and soul
=
chemistry/physical attraction, mental connection (understanding of each other) and being emotionally one piece that completes the other (yin/yang)

the battle between the heart and mind usually happens, when all those 3 spheres don't connect, when you lack of one or two.

With Nick I see all of them ... maybe for most viewers, who root for some other guy, they don't see the chemistry between these 2 kids, but I do and it might not be shown to be off the charts, like they try to show it with Josh, but there is enough of it to not be dismissed and underestimated.
Of course I'm not 100% convinced that she chose Nick, and if she didn't all of us here will sleep just fine, but I do believe it would be shame to let this opportunity slip away, because when something feels good all the time, and you can wake up with no doubt in mind that this is working, and that you are communicating the right way, that there is understanding that can overcome any obstacle that comes your way ... then I would quote Nick:
"I would meet someone, and we would both say, we don't want to find anyone else, we could, but we don't want to, and we want to make it work and cherish that, ..."
Exactly, cherish it every day, live to the fullest, be open, be vulnerable, love ...

[Cecilia]

I noticed Nick wearing his leather bracelet on the beach date.  It looked brand new.  

Love your avi. Can't wait to see him in a swimsuit.

[Guest]

SM is atleast somewhat getting a clue as I saw alot of "oh Nick's not bad after all" type tweets. Of course there were still the sheep who demand he be sent home because he is a terrible person SMH. I really loved his HTD. Gosh his family is insane (in a good way). And for his mom to look the way she does after what 11 kids?!!!!!!!!!!!! Watching Nick just let loose and get to be goofy without the fear of getting a beat down later when the date ended was just so refreshing. He and Andi were just so easy going and "normal." He took her around his hometown and just kept it casual while still fun. I noticed with his date he didn't do something that screamed "LOOK AT ME" ie flying a plane dedication, or doing a baseball date (2nd yr in a row with one of those) or a strip tease. Not that anything was wrong with any of that but it is nice to see he kept it simple and about the "little things" as seems to be a theme for him. Even Andi mentioned last week in her blog how when Nick snuck out to see her, he wanted to just go for a walk, not to a pool or hot tub or Ocean. I like Andi more when I see her around Nick, her personality is more relaxed and pleasant. I did get a lump in my throat though when the sister was talking to Andi and she was tearing up at the possibility of Nick having another heartbreak. And then when they were saying goodbye and she asked him "what?" and he kept saying nothing. It was so cute because he knew she knew what he wanted to say....He was so busted . I also noticed during the revealing about Eric when the producers came in, I saw Nick in Elan in a very very long embrace, I mean obviously everyone was there for each other but I do remember seeing speculation of Elan being Nick's handler and that long embrace made me think maybe that is true.

Great insightful post Monica!..ITA with your entire post. Very spot on.!.Keep Em coming!  
I noticed the hug with Elan too, its been a long believe of mine that he was Nick's handler..or at least the closest producer to Nick. Thats why i kept saying do not pass Elan anything, especially any plane-hoax related 

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