Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2

[Luvstruck]

Andi tweeted "In his tractor".

Somehow that seemed so personal.

If Chris is f1 then RS is wrong.

Yeah, another Andi personal shout out to Chris tweet to add to the two she posted in his favor last week!!! What's up? So far Andi's other tweet about tonight's show is a re-tweet for Windy city Chicago but no mention personalization to Nick. Will be interesting to see what else she tweets tonight.

[soccermom333]

I believe Chris is going to be the next bachelor.  The producers love him.  ;)



I have other reasons too but I'll save those.   

[mtnlvr55]

Andi tweeted "In his tractor".

Somehow that seemed so personal.

If Chris is f1 then RS is wrong.

Her instagram photo(same one) is captioned "riding in style" or something like that. I was curious about how much that particular tractor would set you back since I know the track tractors are expensive. I couldn't read the model number but they start at $350,000 and go up from there. A little bit more expensive than a BMW I would say.

[Guest]

Andi tweeted "In his tractor".

Somehow that seemed so personal.

If Chris is f1 then RS is wrong.

Her instagram photo(same one) is captioned "riding in style" or something like that. I was curious about how much that particular tractor would set you back since I know the track tractors are expensive.  I couldn't read the model number but they start at $350,000 and go up from there.  A little bit more expensive than a BMW I would say.

Yes, just a tad! Farming equipment is so expensive, some of those tractors run up to 500k

[JBF]

I just rewatched last weeks cocktail party/rose ceremony, I find it so weird...

First when Andi walks into the room, we see her greet the guys and she is shown hugging Chris, other than when he gets his GDR this is the first time we see this.  We also see her hugging Chris as she gives him his rose, this is again a first. 

Josh has his first 1-1 time with her, followed by Marcus, the music is so dramatic. Chris has time with her next, and the music continues as she is walking outside with him, along with Chris in a PI saying that he is going to "lay it all out there".  But as they sit down and talk the music changes, to the soft guitar rift, and this continues through out their entire time together.. Dylan is shown next with no music, and then comes tricky Nicky, and the dramatic music continues..

This whole sequence has me puzzled;
Andi in a VO as she is pulling up in the car for the RC says
"This week in Brussels has been great, definitely the best week of all this.  Each of the guys that I have had a 1-1 with have said they are falling in love and that changes things.  It's like, I am actually, finally, dating guys that are there, that are falling in love." Then in a PI that we actually see her say...Not only are they falling in love, but I am too"
If you listen close to me it sounds as if he 1-1 is spliced in, implying that because of her 1-1's that is the reason it's the best week thus far.
She also says, "I am actually, finally dating guys that are falling in love"  Everyone assumes she is referring to Josh, but could it also be about Chris?
Her PI that we do see her saying.. "that she is falling in love too"  This is conveniently placed before she's had any time at the cocktail party with the guys, so one would assume she is referring to her 1-1 dates with Josh and Marcus,...but could she have said this after her time with Chris?
Andi's PI, After having 1-1 dates with Josh and Marcus this week, then cuts to a VO  "I think I could see myself going to their hometowns but I have no idea", back to PI, "what other place I'm going to, it's like I don't know"   So with that we are to believe that she was only questioning HTD's between Brian, Dylan and Chris, but was she?

Something weird is going on.... I'm still sticking with Chris...  If I have to change my avi to a pig so be it!  Go big or go home!   

You made me re-watch all of the silly business. This show is like freakin' Lewis Carroll and all of the Mad Hatter "Very Merry Un-birthday" singing. Nothing makes sense.

She says the guys are falling in love and she is too... as if she is falling in love with another person. Probably Elan Gale. I always suspected something-something was going on between those two. Back in episode #4, when Marcus had his date in Connecticut, she commented on his "falling in love" and adds "for me to embrace what Marcus says makes me feel, like, I might actually find what I'm looking for here". Huh?

Josh looks down briefly when he says "someone I'm falling in love with" to Andi in regards to his family. On the surface, nothing seems strange about that scene... I guess. Yet you would expect him to word that phrase differently, like my family "seeing me falling in love with you". Oh well... shouldn't over-analyze.

Harrison says during the rose ceremony over Josh that this week is the most "pivotal". She wasn't sure if Josh was ready for the marriage on his date, but I am not sure what was pivotal about him apart from being revealed as Blue Boy kissing her and getting all of the Jodi Fans excited and gooey-eyed. Guess that is enough if he's really F1.

Chris is at least facing her directly when he says he is falling in love with her, even if some of the Jodi Fans may feel less "gooey" watching it. Chris also looked her straight in the eye over the secret admirer letter, saying he meant every word of it. "It is important for her to know that she'd be coming here for True Love." He also comments on other guys (Dylan) putting themselves out there.

I might add that the music playing over Nick's "it had gotten really tough last night with the guys" is the same "sob score" used when Bentley was saying over Ashley "there was a lot of crying... and crying" (paraphrasing here) and also late in the season when she was sobbing over mean sister Chrystie saying Jay-Pee was not right for her. I am trying to remember what other seasons used that "tearful" piano tum... tee... tum... tum. Really dig that shot of Nick all glittery with tears... "but it is different with us".

Then Chris says he still doesn't understand Nick (a.k.a. "maybe I don't see what she sees"), but whatever he is doing must be working so he had better do the same... LOL! After he does the same, Andi goes: "He just plants one on me. Go Farmer".

Concerning over-dubs, they also added a weird one in Chris' pottery time. "He's still got that" is dubbed into "thing that I saw the very first date with him". I wonder if she thought it was lost temporarily during the season (thus the need for Nick to work extra hard in Marseille and Venice supplying this needy Bachelorette with enough of "that thing") and then found it again with Chris. However, the editors decided to re-dub so that it never was lost to begin with... whatever "that thing" is.

Before she hugs Chris, you get the line "I'm gonna come into your family's home".

A few curios with the rose ceremony arrangements.
-Marcus is always... from rose ceremony #1 to the present... far away from Josh. Production does NOT want each to see how she reacts to the other when she gives him a rose. Both take turns standing next to Nick and Chris, however.
-Chris and Nick are far apart in ceremony #2 when Eric and Chris had roses. Eric was next to Chris without roses in #3, but with Nick close to Eric... and not too-too far away from Chris. Once Eric was gone, Nick is always next to Chris or in front of him. Apparently production wants these guys to see her facial expressions.. or at least think she is smiling at each personally when she may be smiling at the other. Of course, during RC #4, she croons "I know what I want" facing Chris and Nick's direction.

In Desiree's season, that Chris S. was often (but not always) close to Brooks. Drew hopscotched about, sometimes next to them or far way. Both Zak and Zack (who left #4) were always kept far away from Chris.
In Emily's season, Chris B. was often far from F1 Jef, but Sean and Arie took turns standing close to both. Yet Sean and Arie were always at opposite ends like Josh and Marcus.
In Ashley's, Ben and Constantine were kept far apart (a.k.a. Sean/Arie, Josh/Marcus) but took turns standing next to JP. Ryan Park and William Holman were always kept far away from JP however.

[sbolduc]

Just want to say love love love love your analysis each season JBF!

[Guest]

JBF wrote

Chris is at least facing her directly when he says he is falling in love with her, even if some of the Jodi Fans may feel less "gooey" watching it. Chris also looked her straight in the eye over the secret admirer letter, saying he meant every word of it. "It is important for her to know that she'd be coming here for True Love." He also comments on other guys (Dylan) putting themselves out there.

That's because he's a grown ass man!   
I like how Chris talks to her, he's articulate and direct.

[mtnlvr55]

JBF wrote

Chris is at least facing her directly when he says he is falling in love with her, even if some of the Jodi Fans may feel less "gooey" watching it. Chris also looked her straight in the eye over the secret admirer letter, saying he meant every word of it. "It is important for her to know that she'd be coming here for True Love." He also comments on other guys (Dylan) putting themselves out there.

That's because he's a grown ass man!    
I like how Chris talks to her, he's articulate and direct.

But unlike other Bachelors he doesn't have to say it his actions show it.

[JBF]

Thanks, sbolduc.

Not that we can ever predict what will happen at the end of this with absolute certainty.

Fortunately Max64 has plenty of Venice Hog-heads to pass around to the looniest members in the Funny Farm... me especially.

I miss Brian already. Wasn't he the one who reacted "Uh oh" when they saw the "head"?

[Guest]

[Guest]

JBF, hope these are okay

[JBF]

Just doing a comparison check. This was closer in body language and editing to Ashley/JP in Long Island, NYC than Des/Chris in McMinnville, Oregon. However all three had the Bachelorette talking to the mother. The fact that Nick's didn't talk to Andi is a red flag from an Edit Standpoint. Josh is qualified, but the discussion as more about the brothers than her with Josh. It was his sister Stephanie who took over that role.

I also saw striking similarities between Linda/Andi and Ilene Rosenbaum/Ashley in both talk and body language. Also both Mister Soules and Mister Rosenbaum only had fleeting shots. The Mothers in all three seasons took charge.. and Des also talked to her Chris' father (after the "work" done on her back).



Just to compare discussions... (Note the discussion of "using my gut" in the conversation. This gets discussed in the promos with Chris next Monday.)

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