Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 8 - HTDs - Jul 07/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

nannymargie wrote:Let's see if they way she kisses the others will be the same now that she knows Josh is falling in love with her.

She did, with Nick and Chris on the GD.

Jolena wrote:

mtnlvr55 wrote: 

nannymargie wrote:Let's see if they way she kisses the others will be the same now that she knows Josh is falling in love with her.

  Especially with Nick

We'll def see a few more hot kisses with Nick to bring him another week into the process imo , but she will start pushing back. You might see her kiss Josh differently now ( maybe longer deeper kisses ) and Nick no as much.close  jmo ) If someone wants to check that plane video I think Nick  mentions that he felt she was starting to pulling back at the end.  

That's not what he says. It's the infamous quote where at one point he references kmart.

"Because I sensed it throughout the whole thing…and I kept saying to her ‘I can’t wait til we’re in the real world…can’t wait til we get to do this stuff…we just go to, like, K-Mart and just chill…and don’t even have to worry about the this other stuff, you know?’”

Who knows what we will see?? It could be hot and heavy with them up to the end. We don't know.

FLChica wrote:

Jolena wrote:

mtnlvr55 wrote: 


  Especially with Nick

We'll def see a few more hot kisses with Nick to bring him another week into the process imo , but she will start pushing back. You might see her kiss Josh differently now ( maybe longer deeper kisses ) and Nick no as much.close  jmo ) If someone wants to check that plane video I think Nick  mentions that he felt she was starting to pulling back at the end.  

Why would the kisses with Nick have to continue being hot?  She still has Chris and Marcus to carry forward as well.  Comparing another past Bachelorette who only wanted "her man" , Ashley's kisses with Ben were tepid at best.  So obvious she wanted only JP.  Wouldn't Meandi back off as Ash did if she only cared about Josh?

I think Ashley is a bad example because she herself admitted that she didn't make a good "Bachelorette" because she wasn't comfortable getting physical with anybody but the one she was interested in (JP).  She never had to pull back from Ben because they never shared any steamy kisses early on, in fact the "steamiest" they got was probably on the LCD, which I always felt she was coerced to do by the producers who must have told her that she needed to make it more believable with Ben at the end.  And yet, throughout the season, some Ben fans were convinced that there was a lot of passion in their kisses, proving once again that we all see what we want to see.  

Conversely, Andi seems to be very comfortable with kissing multiple guys, ones she has deep connections with and ones she just finds "hot". I think she was even okay with making a few "pity kisses" look steamy. You go, prosecutor!   

nannymargie wrote:Let's see if they way she kisses the others will be the same now that she knows Josh is falling in love with her.

She didn't particularly hold off on the kiss with Chris at the RC and we see some pretty intimate pre-kissing in our avi with Marcus. The girl likes her kisses. Nothing wrong with that, if she gets engaged this could be the last time she gets to kiss other men.

ironcat wrote:

FLChica wrote:

Jolena wrote:

We'll def see a few more hot kisses with Nick to bring him another week into the process imo , but she will start pushing back. You might see her kiss Josh differently now ( maybe longer deeper kisses ) and Nick no as much.close  jmo ) If someone wants to check that plane video I think Nick  mentions that he felt she was starting to pulling back at the end.  

Why would the kisses with Nick have to continue being hot?  She still has Chris and Marcus to carry forward as well.  Comparing another past Bachelorette who only wanted "her man" , Ashley's kisses with Ben were tepid at best.  So obvious she wanted only JP.  Wouldn't Meandi back off as Ash did if she only cared about Josh?

I think Ashley is a bad example because she herself admitted that she didn't make a good "Bachelorette" because she wasn't comfortable getting physical with anybody but the one she was interested in (JP).  She never had to pull back from Ben because they never shared any steamy kisses early on, in fact the "steamiest" they got was probably on the LCD, which I always felt she was coerced to do by the producers who must have told her that she needed to make it more believable with Ben at the end.  And yet, throughout the season, some Ben fans were convinced that there was a lot of passion in their kisses, proving once again that we all see what we want to see.  

Conversely, Andi seems to be very comfortable with kissing multiple guys, ones she has deep connections with and ones she just finds "hot".  I think she was even okay with making a few "pity kisses" look steamy.  You go, prosecutor!   

I actually thought Ashley was fairly drunk on her LCD with Ben to get through it.

Andi can ply herself with alcohol just like Ashley did in order to get through these make out sessions. Remember Ashley's legs wrapped around Ben during their LCD?

NICK"S PLANE KMART QUOTE:
"Because I sensed it throughout the whole thing…and I kept saying to her ‘I can’t wait til we’re in the real world…can’t wait til we get to do this stuff…we just go to, like, K-Mart and just chill…and don’t even have to worry about the this other stuff, you know?’”


This is how I interpret it and how what I imagine it means:

Person on other end of phone asks:  "Why do you think she thought that you were not there for the right reasons?"
Nick: "Because I sensed it throughout the whole thing…(He sensed Andi's doubts about his sincerity throughout the "whole thing")

Does whole thing=season or whole thing=final dates? My guess is that as soon as guys started throwing Nick under the bus on the Mime GD and onward as he rubbed the guys the wrong way with his assertiveness, Andi began hearing whispers about Nick and then she began to interrogate Nick about his reasons for being there.  We've seen Andi go into full prosecutor mode with several guys.  She will ask a guy a question, then another question, and then a third question if she is not satisfied with what she's heard.  And if it suits her purpose she will loop things around until the men have twisted their words to say what she wants them to say.  Great interrogaation skills on display here.  And this can be for fun (Brian's lie detector role play) or information (Josh's real angs over lie detector tests).

Nick continues:  "and I kept saying to her (implies repeated attempts to negate Andi's worries about him just being there for fun, the game, the travels) ‘I can’t wait til we’re in the real world…can’t wait til we get to do this stuff…we just go to, like, K-Mart and just chill…and don’t even have to worry about the this other stuff, you know?’” (He was giving her real world examples to show that he was looking forward to the long turn relationship.  He was there for her and not just for the traveling or the game.  He wanted to be with her after the FRC.)

We know that Josh, Chris and Marcus all felt that Nick was there as "a gamer".  They doubted his motivations and his sincerity with Andi.  They felt strongly about this.  Marcus told Nick that he wouldn't feel good about his own sister dating Nick, to Nick's face.  Chris and Josh both said many similar things, to Nick's face.

We've seen in past episodes that guys who had conflicts with Nick, were soon eliminated.

Thinking about the plane quote and how Nick feels that Andi's not believing that he was there for the long haul, makes me wonder what fueled this insecurity in Andi?  Nick and Andi appear to have a very close connection with open dialogue. Nick seems like he is a good communicator.  She certainly has passion and a mental, physical, emotional connection to Nick.  So why was she still uncertain about this nagging doubt?

I think it was one of 3 things:
a) TPTB really wanted her to end up with Josh, or simply because they like to play head games with the contestants, THEY watered this seed of worry in Andi's head, or
b)  One or more of the guys (Josh, Marcus, Chris) threw Nick under the bus before/during HTDs and told Andi that they did not believe that Nick was there for the right reasons.  I could easily see any one of the three men doing this.
c)  Both a and b

How about d) She really didn't have any nagging doubts about Nick, but just fell in love with Josh?

Des was the queen of kissing. So was Emily - almost on par with Des.

IMO the most "crazy" the kiss appears the less the lead is into that guy. They are throwing themselves into it and making it a totally believable one. IMO of course.

nd4reality wrote:Des was the queen of kissing. So was Emily - almost on par with Des.

IMO the most "crazy" the kiss appears the less the lead is into that guy. They are throwing themselves into it and making it a totally believable one. IMO of course.

   The more telling were the pecks.  With Sean, kisses on Catherine's head/hair; Andi, kisses on the nose.

ironcat wrote:How about d) She really didn't have any nagging doubts about Nick, but just fell in love with Josh?

Naaah, that's too boring!   

nd4reality wrote:Des was the queen of kissing. So was Emily - almost on par with Des.

IMO the most "crazy" the kiss appears the less the lead is into that guy. They are throwing themselves into it and making it a totally believable one. IMO of course.

I think that it was telling (that Josh is F1) when Andi and Nick's Tree make out session was filmed from such a far distance. I think that showed it this was to dilute the passion that was occuring under that tree in an attempt to spare Josh's feelings when he watched that episode.