Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 6 - Jun 23/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

waitaminutee wrote:That episode annoyed me. They are not showing us a love story. TPTB are making it seem like Josh is hiding something/not all in with Andi and Nick is the bad guy that the other guys hate. The rest of the guys are in a total friend zone and all they show is a couple of kisses, no depth or convos.

soccermom333 wrote:They managed to fool the 'casual" viewer. Everyone is doubting Josh AND Andi's desire for Josh. Nick, and Marcus, and even Chris front-runners. They really know what they are doing. UGH!! We are a very different audience and WE are not fooled. Smiley

nannymargie wrote:Look at the kiss scene with Josh and Andi up thread.  She is melting looking at him.  There is no way she is pulling back.  I blame at lot of this on the edit.  we never saw the whole conversation with them and it felt weird. I really feel post show things will be a lot different because they will not have all this pressure while on the show.  They have had at least 2 safe house visits (not counting the sneaking in between) and they both look happy.  Now they are spending hours a day for 3/4 days with only each other and the still look happy.  So I think everything will be ok.  That video mama murray posted yesterday sure showed a happy Josh.

grace8136 wrote:Bet2Win wrote:OMG, I can't wait for the West Coast airing to end!  Waa waa waa is all I'm hearing tonight on this episode.  No wonder she liked Nick's move at the cocktail party, she's probably starving for these guys to man up.  She's the manliest person there!


rotfl so true!

After the edit that Chris got tonight, I'm wondering who they have in mind for the next bachelor. Has it been confirmed that Marcus arrived in Cancun and is on BIP?

jen689 wrote:I noticed in the previews for next week Josh is wearing that yellow bracelet some have speculated to be LSU colors

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grace8136 wrote:soccermom333 wrote:

       Alanna wrote:

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               umngirl wrote:

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                       nutty1 wrote:In that blue picture, you can tell she is wearing a sweater. It's Josh.


                   She's leaning away from him  :whistle


               It actually looks like her upper body is leaned against the wall behind her and her lower body is pretty much melted to his. But that could just be the shadows/angle making me think that.


           I am seeing the same thing.  There is no way she is pulling back from him.

       As she reminded him so kindly, she holds all the power so if she didn't want him to be there, he'd be gone. So if he's so mean and bad and not nice to poor Andi, why doesn't she jut get rid of this mean jock? Yeah, the reason she's mad as hell at him is because he won't say ily on her time table and doesn't fall in line with her drama when she's afraid of getting her heart smashed by him, but I agree she wouldn't pull away from his kisses, she's mad because she likes him and wants him, otherwise like she said, he'd be gone.


   Great post.   cutesmile!   She is so into Josh and it's hard for tptb to hide it.  They did a great job with the edit though.  ;)

   I can't wait to see if she gives into him next week and the edit changes a bit or if they will continue with the "I don't know how he feels and if I can trust him."  She told him on tonight's episode she didn't know how he felt.  I believe he has told her but he didn't say  the "L" word and she is worried.  I think as soon as he does say it, she will be all over it and it will be game over.  At this point she still doesn't know if he will get there.    


They could have balanced out the Josh desperation by editing a better date between Andi and Nick. They talked about last week's drama during both the day and night portion rather than playing up the romance. I thought that was pretty odd if they are trying to cover up Josh as the F1.

missjayne wrote:Aunties_Love wrote:

       Cecilia wrote:

           missjayne wrote:I don't really like Chris S. I don't understand how he is in the running for the Bachelor. When he is not being a bore, he's attacking people for their actions when they don't deserve it. Sorry just don't like him at all.


       Agree. He's so judgmental.

   How's he judgemental?  I find it funny that when Chris was quiet, all was fine.  Tonight we hear more and see more of him and comments begin to come.  


Well when he was quiet I thought he was boring..and I did comment on that. Sorry I just don't care for him. He's lecturing the guys like he's trying to be all righteous but it's annoying and sounds mean and judgemental.

missjayne wrote:Aunties_Love wrote:

       quietpal wrote:So I guess the attack on someone who has a rose was actually Chris saying something to Nick which wasn't an actual attack? Not surprised it was about nothing.

   No, IMO it was JJ having a hard time with Chris getting the rose and not himself.  He actually tried to make Chris feel bad, etc, but this time Chris spoke up is all.


Brian spoke up too but he said the right thing and didn't come off the way Chris did.

MiaHawk wrote:umngirl wrote:

       nd4reality wrote:

           nutty1 wrote:In that blue picture, you can tell she is wearing a sweater. It's Josh.


       She's leaning away from him  :whistle


   It actually looks like her upper body is leaned against the wall behind her and her lower body is pretty much melted to his. But that could just be the shadows/angle making me think that.



If I were making out in front of a wall with a guy that I wanted to be making out with, I'd press my back fully against the wall and pull Marcus, ahem, I mean, him towards me so our nether-regions could get on friendlier terms. I wouldn't be arching my back like Andi seems to be doing in that photo.
I think it's Chris in the blue kiss photo.

Alanna wrote:

sophienette wrote:

nd4reality wrote:^^ is this in real time  ? On the show he got the second last one ? I'm confused.

It's called editing

They are making up huge tensions with Josh, including him having to wait until the Final rose... when in fact he is probably called 1st or second (Brian has no rose on when Josh goes to get his, and Marcus is obviously the actual last rose as per SC shwoing no other rose left!)

  

I do agree with this too. I think there's some real fear in Andi regarding heartbreak with Josh that's not edited, but at the same time when the f1 is so obvious and chosen on night one like this season, tptb go through all sorts of contortions to make a show. I'll call this the Bentley Effect.

nd4reality wrote:

nutty1 wrote:In that blue picture, you can tell she is wearing a sweater. It's Josh.

She's leaning away from him  :whistle: 

umngirl wrote:The other three of her F4 have already dropped the "I'm falling in love" bomb by this week or next week so Josh is the current odd man out. And that makes it even worse for him because Andi keeps badgering and dying for him to say it. Personally I'd rather he wait til the FD at the earliest.

Ash2214 wrote:I think it's as simple as she's not a happy camper that Marcus, Nick and Chris have either said they were in love with her or are falling in love with her whereas Josh is still saying he "likes" her. She obviously has strong feelings for him because she cried over him and it was essentially because she "doesn't know how he feels" and I thought it was telling when he said he liked her or liked what they had and she said "give me something else instead of like." It's clear she's wanting him to say more, but in my opinion it's realistic.

He's had one 1-on-1 date and a few group dates and he's expected to tell Andi he's either falling in love with her or he's already in love with her? It's silly. Nothing made me happier than when Catherine voiced throughout the season that she was crazy about Sean, but didn't tell him she was actually in love with him until their very last date. I've never been in this sort of experience so I wouldn't know, but saying you're in love with someone or falling in love with someone before even hometowns just boggles my mind.

missjayne wrote:

albean99 wrote:I think Andi's right to have many questions about Josh. He initially came on too strong and it seemed more of an act. Maybe he was one of the guys with 3 lies. Right now I'm not seeing the love story however she was very upset by his reaction on the GD. She obviously has feelings. Not sure it's enough though.

I loved Nick's date. They really have chemistry at this point. Her grilling him at dinner was so producer driven. Chris disappoint me with his whining and it looks like it continues next week. By now they should be proactive at the cocktail parties and not so worried about Nick. Maybe they also view him as  the frontrunner.

I notice they pieced together clips in the Nick beat down. I'm wondering if they're all even talking about him.    The part where Chris is saying something to Nick they're wearing the same clothes as when they arrived in Brussels. I'm not even sure they saw him sneaking out to Andi's room. Definitely some f2's have done it in the past along with one or 2 f1's.

I agree it's pointless for Chris to get so worked up at this point. He acts like Nick pushed them all over a cliff and then ran to get andi for himself.  I still haven't watched nicks one on one from today. I think andi really likes nick but I guess from the beginning Josh was the guy she subconsciously always had in the number one spot in her mind. I'm just really wondering how it is when she dumps nick...like will it be easy for her because her heart will be all in with Josh or will a little part of her be in love with Nick too?

sophienette wrote:

brittany4400 wrote:At this point. I don't see there being a proposal. I am overall disappointed with this season. I liked Des and all of her F4. This season, I dislike Andi, and most of her F4. I just take Marcus and his flawless chesthair and be done with this season I think  :bigsigh:

  

I love it! Drama, romance, men catfights, tears and fake fights! I am serious... i know we all say we want to love story, but that would take 3 episodes, not 12 or whatever!
I am being entertained, and I know when I look back and edit out the crap, I will see the love story

sophienette wrote:

umngirl wrote:The other three of her F4 have already dropped the "I'm falling in love" bomb by this week or next week so Josh is the current odd man out. And that makes it even worse for him because Andi keeps badgering and dying for him to say it. Personally I'd rather he wait til the FD at the earliest.

  

Sorry for dropping JASH into the convo again, but she supposedly had the same issue with JP and he only told her AFTER MTP! And we now know she told him way before that! But she still acted multiple episodes like she was torn and had doubts.
This is called TV drama...