Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2

[Guest]

I just watched today's mini epi.  
My take on the whole cocktail argument is that it was producer driven.
This often happens in seasons and I really dislike it.  They target front runners and try to push their buttons so that the lead has a truer unfiltered sense of the how the person reacts.  Nick is quite self-controlled thus the mass attack.  It seems someone didn't feel he was challenged enough so they will be at it again next week. It is contrived drama that Nick wouldn't be aware was prearranged.

The upside of Nick being pushed to a limit is he is reacting spontaneously so Andi will see how that is and whether that works for her.  The reason why I think it's awful is because in real life these guys wouldn't be dating his girlfriend so no one would care if he went to talk to her when she was upset or if he felt entitled as her boyfriend.

He's being put through the gauntlet at his own expense like many before him.  I think the point of the next "attack" will be to see if when Andi talks to him afterward he will confide in her.  This won't be about breaking a man code but rather about whether, as a partner, he is willing to give up some of his control to her. Will he allow her to nurture or will he remain self-contained.

In this weird and very short courtship show I can see why it is necessary to be aware of the good and the bad in prospective partners.  It just all comes about in a way that reminds me of mad professors and lab rats.

great post!!

i need to point out that every other F1 has obstacles to overcome, so to speak. IMO  the spine of Nick's obstacles in the storyline are:
1. internal: him being practical and skeptical of this silly show
2. external: since ep.1,noticed Dylan's PI line : 'got the bullseye' was panned over his back (literally! voila!)

TPTB will keep bringing these 2 obstacles , regardless true or not,throughout the season, hence the 'scripted' term came from. They milking it the best they can, and could care less in how they do it: choped, sliced, frankenbyted, you name it.

on ep.3 we saw the emphasis on obstacle no.1, now in the ep.4 retake and the coming ep.5 it seems as
the peak of no.2.. Will both obstacles collide on ep.6 and 7?? in ep.7 Nick will get GDR and SQT despite have had 1-1 on prev epis, if the spoiler is correct. it will be an unusual norm on this show (getting roses back yo back). Could it be because it was his lowest moment on the show? both obstacles take a toll on him?.Mind you, despite his quirky-side, Andi labelled him as sensitive as well. I expect more of the skeptical topic by his sisters on HTD and on final epis.

The guys seem to be frat boys indeed. so they got to play hard making up a silly drama(s) out of nothing

[albean99]

I was a bit torn when watching Nick & the guys but now I just think that Nick's got game and they were jealous that they didn't think of it let alone act on it.

I'm not sure what it means but his edit has changed. Is it inserting doubt in the f1 or is he too confident only to be heartbroken at the end. In a way it seems too early for the 2nd one because it's hard to see him being overly confident as more guys get closer to Andi.

[notarose]

I was a bit torn when watching Nick & the guys but now I just think that Nick's got game and they were jealous that they didn't think of it let alone act on it.

I'm not sure what it means but his edit has changed. Is it inserting doubt in the f1 or is he too confident only to be heartbroken at the end. In a way it seems too early for the 2nd one because it's hard to see him being overly confident as more guys get closer to Andi.

In his VoiceOver while walking to see Andi he says "Everyone's upset.  Most importantly they see Andi upset. And I thought if anyone has the opportunity to make Andi feel better, it might be me. "
Shown approaching her at bar.  They hug.
ITM: "I didn't know that. (Shrugs shoulders). I just thought maybe".  
Camera cuts to Andi & Nick sitting down.

To me he looks "shaken" in his ITM. His vocal pitch rises on the word "maybe" which indicates puzzlement.

[ag54]

After watching the scene, I have to say I was really disappointed by his "argue style" last night. I don't like smug, and he sure did seem smug. Almost sniffing down his nose (like a stuffy Brit on TV) at Andrew (who I don't like). I really hate when someone says to the effect of, "You're not listening." when in reality, they are saying, "Shut up, I don't want to listen to you." Passive aggressive much? Just say what you are feeling, don't deflect. Sorry, my opinion....

[notarose]

After watching the scene, I have to say I was really disappointed by his "argue style" last night.  I don't like smug, and he sure did seem smug. Almost sniffing down his nose (like a stuffy Brit on TV) at Andrew (who I don't like).  I really hate when someone says to the effect of, "You're not listening." when in reality, they are saying, "Shut up, I don't want to listen to you."  Passive aggressive much?  Just say what you are feeling, don't deflect.  Sorry, my opinion....

Do you think the guys were justified in their questioning of him?

[Piper61]

After watching the scene, I have to say I was really disappointed by his "argue style" last night.  I don't like smug, and he sure did seem smug. Almost sniffing down his nose (like a stuffy Brit on TV) at Andrew (who I don't like).  I really hate when someone says to the effect of, "You're not listening." when in reality, they are saying, "Shut up, I don't want to listen to you."  Passive aggressive much?  Just say what you are feeling, don't deflect.  Sorry, my opinion....

I understand what you are saying, and I felt a bit of the same thing. I don't like Andrew at all at this point based upon what has been shown of him, but I had to laugh when he laughed at what Nick was saying and doing at the moment.

[noobsleuth]

great post!!

i need to point out that every other F1 has obstacles to overcome, so to speak. IMO  the spine of Nick's obstacles in the storyline are:
1. internal: him being practical and skeptical of this silly show
2. external: since ep.1,noticed Dylan's PI line : 'got the bullseye' was panned over his back (literally! voila!)

TPTB  will keep bringing these 2 obstacles , regardless true or not,throughout the season, hence the 'scripted' term came from. They milking it the best they can, and could care less in how they do it: choped, sliced, frankenbyted, you name it.

on ep.3 we saw the emphasis on obstacle no.1, now in the ep.4 retake and the coming ep.5 it seems as
the peak of no.2.. Will both obstacles collide on ep.6 and 7?? in ep.7 Nick will get GDR and SQT despite have had 1-1 on prev epis, if the spoiler is correct. it will be an unusual norm on this show (getting roses back yo back). Could it be because it was his lowest moment on the show? both obstacles take a toll on him?.Mind you, despite his quirky-side, Andi labelled him as sensitive as well.   I expect more of the skeptical topic by his sisters on HTD and on final epis.

The guys seem to be frat boys indeed. so they got to play hard making up a silly drama(s) out of nothing

Re the bold:

JP got his second 1 on 1 in episode 6 and then got the GDR in episode 7 because he was having a hard time (jealous) and Ashley could tell. It's definitely going to send a clear message to the other guys on the date as it did when Ashley did the same thing. It also seems like that not only will it be a GDR, but it will also be mini 1 on 1 after everyone is sent back. I know it's become a cliche for F2s to say that the lead changed their mind at the last minute, but in the case it's totally believable to me.

[sdmom]

But what do you think how Nick should do? Walk away? Shrug it off or just sit there to let them have it against him? One thing I have learned is Nick is not a shy person, and will take initiatives if need to. Before Nick went to Andi, all just sat there and Cody was saying this is a marathon blah blah blah, and I was thinking why y'all sitting there?

[noobsleuth]

I haven't seen the episode and it doesn't seem like it's worth the $1.99 on itunes so...  

It sounds like they needed to show the RC last night (after previously not deciding to show it) to advance Nick's storyline since the drama at (let's call it) the "lost RC" seemed to center around him.

Nick is smart and shrewd. He's skeptical so in some ways he's going to think he's better than the show. He thinks he has his head on straight compared to all of the other contestants in full competition mode. If he was smug, which is sounds like he was being, it's because he thinks the drama is silly, which it is. The thought of sitting around with a bunch of dudes all trying to perfectly calculate their next move so they can win is ludicrous to him. Courtney always got a kick out of how on edge everyone always seemed.. like this show is life or death or the end all be all to being romantically happy.

Probably every dramatic confrontation can always be handled better. I wonder how Andi would react to his way of doing things in the real world. I think he would challenge her, which I think is what she wants and needs, but I also think he's going find some of her antics to be silly as well which could send her into attack mode. Like any relationship it depends on how much you value the other persons opinion of you.

I still think no one will ever be able to handle confrontation better than Drew.

[Guest]

thanks for reminding us about Jash, nobs!

interesting... i can definitely say there is always diff POVs to look at it. in this case,

1. as you said, he is the F2 and miraculuously everything panned out entirely just as his rant on the phone

2. he is the F1, whom the lead fell hard for early on ala Jash (mind you both JP and Nick got the ep.3 dates)..so they did everything in their power inc. give him wonky edit to smokescreen this early connection.

for some reasons, IMO the no.2 is happening

yes, mini 1-1 you referred to = SQT (Special Quality Time), the term i used.

Just a gentle reminder, Nick will match Chris Siegfried as the recipient of the most alone time with the lead, with 2 1-1 dates and 1 SQT  before HTD (a record in Ette history?) . Food for thought.

[atem]

Shrewd my foot. The producers picked Nick to be her 'support'.

[MVMom39forever]

I just watched today's mini epi.  
My take on the whole cocktail argument is that it was producer driven.
This often happens in seasons and I really dislike it.  They target front runners and try to push their buttons so that the lead has a truer unfiltered sense of the how the person reacts.  Nick is quite self-controlled thus the mass attack.  It seems someone didn't feel he was challenged enough so they will be at it again next week. It is contrived drama that Nick wouldn't be aware was prearranged.

The upside of Nick being pushed to a limit is he is reacting spontaneously so Andi will see how that is and whether that works for her.  The reason why I think it's awful is because in real life these guys wouldn't be dating his girlfriend so no one would care if he went to talk to her when she was upset or if he felt entitled as her boyfriend.

He's being put through the gauntlet at his own expense like many before him.  I think the point of the next "attack" will be to see if when Andi talks to him afterward he will confide in her.  This won't be about breaking a man code but rather about whether, as a partner, he is willing to give up some of his control to her. Will he allow her to nurture or will he remain self-contained.

In this weird and very short courtship show I can see why it is necessary to be aware of the good and the bad in prospective partners.  It just all comes about in a way that reminds me of mad professors and lab rats.

great post!!

i need to point out that every other F1 has obstacles to overcome, so to speak. IMO  the spine of Nick's obstacles in the storyline are:
1. internal: him being practical and skeptical of this silly show
2. external: since ep.1,noticed Dylan's PI line : 'got the bullseye' was panned over his back (literally! voila!)

TPTB  will keep bringing these 2 obstacles , regardless true or not,throughout the season, hence the 'scripted' term came from. They milking it the best they can, and could care less in how they do it: choped, sliced, frankenbyted, you name it.

on ep.3 we saw the emphasis on obstacle no.1, now in the ep.4 retake and the coming ep.5 it seems as
the peak of no.2.. Will both obstacles collide on ep.6 and 7?? in ep.7 Nick will get GDR and SQT despite have had 1-1 on prev epis, if the spoiler is correct. it will be an unusual norm on this show (getting roses back yo back). Could it be because it was his lowest moment on the show? both obstacles take a toll on him?.Mind you, despite his quirky-side, Andi labelled him as sensitive as well.   I expect more of the skeptical topic by his sisters on HTD and on final epis.

The guys seem to be frat boys indeed. so they got to play hard making up a silly drama(s) out of nothing

Great posts, great insights!

Mura, looks like we are on same page for another Bachelorette season. I am anxious to see her date with Josh to compare the relationships but at this stage of filming and other clues, I see Nick as solid frontrunner.

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