Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2

[luvlady345]

I think the die was cast and the season was scripted the first night when Andi gave Nick the first impression rose her type vs not her type and TPTB was going to get their ending come hell or high water...So who knows to what degree Andi was feeling for anyone, really?

[sbolduc]

Wasn't it also said Nick got emotional at hometowns when he saw his friends? I feel as though they brought Nick to the f2 for entertainment and because of how emotional and upset he would get.

Yes, I believe RS said he was a sensitive guy and got emotional during HTs when leaving a friends house or something. Which ironically, sensitive, is the word that Andi used to describe him.

I also remember prior to the show airing that someone mentioned Nick was skeptical, which we know was true, and also that he needed reassurance (i.e. the two 1-on-1s and the extra time on the group date) as opposed to Chris who was confident in what he got himself into. It was reasoning as to why Chris only got one 1-on-1. Also that one of Nick's sisters was very skeptical and Andi did her best to convince her of the process.

It just seems like a lot was done to make Nick (and family) a "believer" to dump him at the F2.

[notarose]

Wasn't it also said Nick got emotional at hometowns when he saw his friends? I feel as though they brought Nick to the f2 for entertainment and because of how emotional and upset he would get.

Yes, I believe RS said he was a sensitive guy and got emotional during HTs when leaving a friends house or something. Which ironically, sensitive, is the word that Andi used to describe him.

I also remember prior to the show airing that someone mentioned Nick was skeptical, which we know was true, and also that he needed reassurance (i.e. the two 1-on-1s and the extra time on the group date) as opposed to Chris who was confident in what he got himself into. It was reasoning as to why Chris only got one 1-on-1. Also that one of Nick's sisters was very skeptical and Andi did her best to convince her of the process.

It just seems like a lot was done to make Nick (and family) a "believer" to dump him at the F2.

Yes to the bolded.  It's like building a high rise over 2 months then blowing it up because you can.

I think the die was cast and the season was scripted the first night when Andi gave Nick the first impression rose her type vs not her type and TPTB was going to get their ending come hell or high water...So who knows to what degree Andi was feeling for anyone, really?

For sure the script was set in terms of type vs non type. Andi mentioned in an interview she had asked for guys she wouldn't normally date or hadn't in terms of type.

[nutty1]

Has Chloe heard any inside scoop about the video or thoughts of it? Chloe, where are you??

[Kashathediva]

Wasn't it also said Nick got emotional at hometowns when he saw his friends? I feel as though they brought Nick to the f2 for entertainment and because of how emotional and upset he would get.

Yes, I believe RS said he was a sensitive guy and got emotional during HTs when leaving a friends house or something. Which ironically, sensitive, is the word that Andi used to describe him.

I also remember prior to the show airing that someone mentioned Nick was skeptical, which we know was true, and also that he needed reassurance (i.e. the two 1-on-1s and the extra time on the group date) as opposed to Chris who was confident in what he got himself into. It was reasoning as to why Chris only got one 1-on-1. Also that one of Nick's sisters was very skeptical and Andi did her best to convince her of the process.

It just seems like a lot was done to make Nick (and family) a "believer" to dump him at the F2.

It's done every season, though. It's the formula. Think Ben, think Bevin, think Clare.

[ThankMeLater]

Yupp Nick reminds me of a Reid/Ben and I'm super excited for the final rose + ATFR. I already know it's going to be good.

[chloep]

Has Chloe heard any inside scoop about the video or thoughts of it? Chloe, where are you??

I feel like everything I see on the show only further reaffirms what I've been said after the FRC(about Nick being realistic and skeptic and Andi trying her hardest to reassure him (and his fam), etc..(I mean she even said so herself in this week's episode.. that she wants "to make him a believer" etc..)) As far as I know the vid is legit.

[nutty1]

Thanks!!
Please tell us if you hear any rumblings about things changing, and Nick maybe becoming The Bachelor. I think by the end of the season, he will definitely be a fan favorite. JMO, of course!!

[dw_a_mom]

^^ I loved notarose's post too.  

I don't doubt the spoilers, but that doesn't mean I'll like Andi best with Josh.  At this point I by far like her best with Nick.  Everyone talks a lot about the obvious chemistry between Andi and Josh, but I see just as obvious a chemistry with Nick after her wrapping herself around him when he sent the flowers, the way she smiles at him and that really quite hot casino scene.  I feel like in the end I'm going to wish she picked Nick and that maybe he'd be best for her, even though I don't think she will.  Maybe she will truly be conflicted until the end and then as Nick said on the plane videos, she was scared and went with the more familiar, easy choice.

At this point in filming, I have no doubt that she was super into Nick. SHE pulls him over to kiss.

Some past leads have talked about being full on in each relationship because each person deserves that sincere effort. She is currently (in the episodes aired) full on when she is with Nick. I doubt she stayed conflicted clear through to the end, but she certainly had the door open for a long time.

[dw_a_mom]

I also thought he didn't propose from the video aswell..I feel like he would have been more angry and upset if he got on one knee on the phone so I assume he didn't.

I don't agree that he didn't seem angry or upset enough.  He was in public so some of his words had to be measured.  He dissed Josh and called Andi "stubborn."  He seemed hurt enough to me.  IMO I think it would be fun if he was F1 but Josh and Nick are so completely polar opposites that if she gravitated towards Josh over Nick they wouldn't have been good together in the long run.

Yanno, I guess it's all in context of the person's personality. 
I throw around the F bomb pretty indiscriminately at times. Go figure!  
Now, I don't do that in professional situations, but when I am talking with someone I am close with--yeah I might use that word--fairly often.  
I'm snarky. Calling someone stubborn isn't a diss to me. Not even close. 
I would not have considered that convo public---unless I knew someone was eavesdropping or knew someone in my surrounding area. I would have felt anonymous. That's me. 
So I guess what I am saying is we might be attributing things to Nick--that aren't Nick. We really don't know.
I did not see him being upset at all. I saw him explaining the situation as he saw it to someone he was close.

That is why the video seems a little off to me.  If this is a guy who was made a believer and then dumped the last day with our without proposing, I would expect him to sound a little more upset with Andi.  

It is my understanding that the bubble starts to evaporate really fast the second you are out of filming. I would expect he was already mostly over it.

[notarose]

I also thought he didn't propose from the video aswell..I feel like he would have been more angry and upset if he got on one knee on the phone so I assume he didn't.

I don't agree that he didn't seem angry or upset enough.  He was in public so some of his words had to be measured.  He dissed Josh and called Andi "stubborn."  He seemed hurt enough to me.  IMO I think it would be fun if he was F1 but Josh and Nick are so completely polar opposites that if she gravitated towards Josh over Nick they wouldn't have been good together in the long run.

Yanno, I guess it's all in context of the person's personality. 
I throw around the F bomb pretty indiscriminately at times. Go figure!  
Now, I don't do that in professional situations, but when I am talking with someone I am close with--yeah I might use that word--fairly often.  
I'm snarky. Calling someone stubborn isn't a diss to me. Not even close. 
I would not have considered that convo public---unless I knew someone was eavesdropping or knew someone in my surrounding area. I would have felt anonymous. That's me. 
So I guess what I am saying is we might be attributing things to Nick--that aren't Nick. We really don't know.
I did not see him being upset at all. I saw him explaining the situation as he saw it to someone he was close.

That is why the video seems a little off to me.  If this is a guy who was made a believer and then dumped the last day with our without proposing, I would expect him to sound a little more upset with Andi.  

It is my understanding that the bubble starts to evaporate really fast the second you are out of filming.  I would expect he was already mostly over it.

I don't think it matters if he was skeptical. To this point he is investing. I can see him remaining sceptical about an engagement. If she let him go because of that then she didn't really love him enough. That's ok as long as she loves her F1 more. It's a good test of her true feelings.
Nick might have been a guy who it might really have worked out well in the real world but life isn't about what if, it's about what you act on.
His "bubble" would definitely be bursting now if he got caught up in the bubble. Otherwise, he would be going through what we all do.... Going to work, seeing friends and family, listening to the saddest music ....

[MVMom39forever]

I tried to stay spoiler free until at least F4 but once again I got spoiled on YouTube when I googled Nick Viall and found the RS videos of Nick on plane. As I've said on non spoiler threads, Nick is my current favorite but I am unbiased and completely saw connection with Josh as well. I am anxious to see their 1-on-1 in ep 5.

With all that said, I have a very hard time believing that the airplane videos are the real thing. I've got questions and if these may have already been discussed, please point me to answers ...

1. Hello, ABC ... Why are the videos still on YouTube? You'd think that ABC lawyers would demand to pull them off. Shoot, it says they were posted on May 19th and RS has been boasting about them. You'd think that someone either in ABC's camp or in Nick's camp would ask to have them taken down since they are clearly in violation of Nick's contract.

2. Random passenger (!?!?) ... If the videos were indeed taken on May 11th by random stranger/passenger, how would Nick have been recognized and how would said random passenger think that his phone call was worthy of videotaping? I am LONG time fan of show who actually studied the guys on the ABC web site prior to opening night and was still confused when Nick was given the FIR. Who on earth would have recognized him?

3. Nick's confidentiality clause ... does this exist anymore? What happened to contestants and in particular F4 having some confidentiality clause where he is not supposed to tell anyone the show's outcome? We all know that finalists do end up telling close family and friends but gosh, have to think that they wouldn't be blabbing about experience on packed plane when there is million dollars at stake should the outcome get out.

4. Nick Knows Contracts ... With every deal Nick closes as an Account Executive at software firm, lawyers are involved and a contract is signed. That's just how big software deals work. Since Nick works in the world of deals & contracts, I just have to believe that he knows his contract and wouldn't be so willy nilly in breaking it and ESPECIALLY by being such a chatty-cathy phone call that could result in him get sued.

5. Timing ... back to random passenger who just so happened to video tape ... if I was some random passenger who put two and two together that there was some guy sitting in front of me blabbing about being rejected on the Bachelorette and therefore decided to videotape the call and take photos to prove it was him ... I wouldn't ON THE SAME DAY think, "Hmmm I am going to send this to that Reality Steve for him to spoil the show." That's just WAY too coincidental and way TOO fast for Steve get his grimy hands on evidence.

6. Money .... In addition to strangeness of timing, the other thing that gets me is what's in it for the passenger doing the taping? The vast majority of people (in the tiny minority of people who would even put two and two together to videotape Nick's call) would think ... what kind of $$ money $$ can I get from selling this audio? Should I contact ABC? Should I contact TMZ? Should I contact US, Enquirer or InTouch? Should I contact one of the entertainment shows? Should I contact a lawyer to see how much I can make off this?  I know that Reality Steve pays for evidence but surely some of the bigger players would have paid bigger bucks and the person who took the video would have shopped for best deal. At least I sure would have!

7. Sound quality ... The sound is pretty darn good, considering the random noise happening on the plane and that Nick is sitting in the row ahead of the videographer. Nick must have really been speaking loudly ... for a guy who seems somewhat reserved on the show ... hmmm ...

8. Knowledge of Jason/Molly ... And, finally, does anyone really think that Nick keeps up with other couples from this franchise? Even RS called Nick a "virgin" in his knowledge of how the Bachelor/ette works so why on earth would Nick know what other finalists have done? Sure, maybe his handler shared this with him to give him hope (pump him up for the ATFR) but it just did not ring true.

My initial guess: the airplane videographer is someone connected with the show who sat behind him and audiotaped this call. He then immediately sent the footage to Reality Steve so he could one again falsely and with all of his annoying bravado spoil Andi's season.  

After the big set up of Des & Brooks' spoiler last season, I bet that ABC knew they had to up the ante and what better way to do so than via a staged videotaping so that RS could have tangible proof. RS could be in on this as I have always thought that RS is somehow in cahoots with Fleiss and this way RS could save face by pointing his finger at the video proof.

Or ... I could be totally wrong and Nick isn't as smart as I thought. Good luck with that lawsuit to Nick and good luck to Josh and Andi.

Either way, I think the video creates more questions than provides any answers.

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