Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2

[Cecilia]

This is probably producer induced but first night Andi is shown saying she doesn't need love but want to go get it and that is almost exactly what Nick says "Im not desperate for love" but...

[notarose]

This is probably producer induced but first night Andi is shown saying she doesn't need love but want to go get it and that is almost exactly what Nick says "Im not desperate for love" but...

Yes, I noticed that too.  A few times she has said they think alike.  Guess that's producer-driven proof.  I believe his was spontaneous while her intro package would have been filmed whenever so don't know if her's in authentic or not.

Sadly, Nick might just be a "symbol" of her own scepticism and letting him go frees her up to welcome great love.  Doubt Nick would have known that was his purpose.

Yuck, hate when people as used as a metaphor for storylines.  "Heart" Nick. xox

[stuckinsc]

I also thought he didn't propose from the video aswell..I feel like he would have been more angry and upset if he got on one knee on the phone so I assume he didn't.

I don't agree that he didn't seem angry or upset enough.  He was in public so some of his words had to be measured.  He dissed Josh and called Andi "stubborn."  He seemed hurt enough to me.  IMO I think it would be fun if he was F1 but Josh and Nick are so completely polar opposites that if she gravitated towards Josh over Nick they wouldn't have been good together in the long run.

Yanno, I guess it's all in context of the person's personality. 
I throw around the F bomb pretty indiscriminately at times. Go figure!  
Now, I don't do that in professional situations, but when I am talking with someone I am close with--yeah I might use that word--fairly often.  
I'm snarky. Calling someone stubborn isn't a diss to me. Not even close. 
I would not have considered that convo public---unless I knew someone was eavesdropping or knew someone in my surrounding area. I would have felt anonymous. That's me. 
So I guess what I am saying is we might be attributing things to Nick--that aren't Nick. We really don't know.
I did not see him being upset at all. I saw him explaining the situation as he saw it to someone he was close.

That is why the video seems a little off to me. If this is a guy who was made a believer and then dumped the last day with our without proposing, I would expect him to sound a little more upset with Andi.

[ThankMeLater]

I also thought he didn't propose from the video aswell..I feel like he would have been more angry and upset if he got on one knee on the phone so I assume he didn't.

I don't agree that he didn't seem angry or upset enough.  He was in public so some of his words had to be measured.  He dissed Josh and called Andi "stubborn."  He seemed hurt enough to me.  IMO I think it would be fun if he was F1 but Josh and Nick are so completely polar opposites that if she gravitated towards Josh over Nick they wouldn't have been good together in the long run.

Yanno, I guess it's all in context of the person's personality. 
I throw around the F bomb pretty indiscriminately at times. Go figure!  
Now, I don't do that in professional situations, but when I am talking with someone I am close with--yeah I might use that word--fairly often.  
I'm snarky. Calling someone stubborn isn't a diss to me. Not even close. 
I would not have considered that convo public---unless I knew someone was eavesdropping or knew someone in my surrounding area. I would have felt anonymous. That's me. 
So I guess what I am saying is we might be attributing things to Nick--that aren't Nick. We really don't know.
I did not see him being upset at all. I saw him explaining the situation as he saw it to someone he was close.

That is why the video seems a little off to me.  If this is a guy who was made a believer and then dumped the last day with our without proposing, I would expect him to sound a little more upset with Andi.  

For me the fact that he was more upset at Josh then Andi seems like he just wanted to win IMO

[docnash14]

I also thought he didn't propose from the video aswell..I feel like he would have been more angry and upset if he got on one knee on the phone so I assume he didn't.

I don't agree that he didn't seem angry or upset enough.  He was in public so some of his words had to be measured.  He dissed Josh and called Andi "stubborn."  He seemed hurt enough to me.  IMO I think it would be fun if he was F1 but Josh and Nick are so completely polar opposites that if she gravitated towards Josh over Nick they wouldn't have been good together in the long run.

Yanno, I guess it's all in context of the person's personality. 
I throw around the F bomb pretty indiscriminately at times. Go figure!  
Now, I don't do that in professional situations, but when I am talking with someone I am close with--yeah I might use that word--fairly often.  
I'm snarky. Calling someone stubborn isn't a diss to me. Not even close. 
I would not have considered that convo public---unless I knew someone was eavesdropping or knew someone in my surrounding area. I would have felt anonymous. That's me. 
So I guess what I am saying is we might be attributing things to Nick--that aren't Nick. We really don't know.
I did not see him being upset at all. I saw him explaining the situation as he saw it to someone he was close.

Couldn't agree more with this post!

I agree that many might not take offense to the word stubborn but seeing Andi's reaction to the word poker face (which is much more neutral to me than stubborn) I wouldn't bet the farm on how she might react to hearing Nick refer to her as such. Further, unless I misunderstood, I believe Nick on the tape also referred to her as passive-aggressive. There's no getting around the negative connotation of that one. So if the tape ends up being scripted, a new writer may be in order for the next go-around.

[jen689]

That is why the video seems a little off to me.  If this is a guy who was made a believer and then dumped the last day with our without proposing, I would expect him to sound a little more upset with Andi.  

  

The videos had to be provided by someone who knew what they were doing.  

One 30 second video about Josh. And another three minute video about how easy their relationship was, looking forward to getting out of the bachelorette bubble, loved her family, and how Andi got scared and at the last minute went back to what she's use to Josh.

Who on a plane starts listening to other people's conversations especially when they are sitting a row ahead?

Why would Nick speak so loud?

What other reasons seem off about the video  

[albean99]

That is why the video seems a little off to me.  If this is a guy who was made a believer and then dumped the last day with our without proposing, I would expect him to sound a little more upset with Andi.  

  

The videos had to be provided by someone who knew what they were doing.  

One 30 second video about Josh. And another three minute video about how easy their relationship was, looking forward to getting out of the bachelorette bubble, loved her family, and how Andi got scared and at the last minute went back to what she's use to Josh.

Who on a plane starts listening to other people's conversations especially when they are sitting a row ahead?

Why would Nick speak so loud?

What other reasons seem off about the video  

I find it suspicious myself. Nick had to have been talking loudly in order for the sound to be that good on the video. I also find it strange that the person could video him without anyone noticing or commenting on it. If Nick is having a conversation where he's giving out spoilers you'd think he'd be quiet and much more careful. He's obviously sitting by someone who complained about him talking. It would have been so easy for him to wait until he was off the plane & away from people to talk about being on the show.  

[unknown82]

Ahhhh.... I get a very strong feeling a lot of people will be bamboozled this season!  I have a lot of questions about that leaked video of Nick on the plane...  Something doesn't seem right at all.  I could be totally wrong and that video is legit and Josh is the F1 but I think regardless of the spoilers from reality Steve, everyone should keep an open mind.  I remember how sure I was that Brooks was F1 on Desiree's season and look how that turned out.  Ha... I really did not see that coming!  Andi has a great group of guys and whomever she ends up with, I'll be happy for her.

[notarose]

I also thought he didn't propose from the video aswell..I feel like he would have been more angry and upset if he got on one knee on the phone so I assume he didn't.

I don't agree that he didn't seem angry or upset enough.  He was in public so some of his words had to be measured.  He dissed Josh and called Andi "stubborn."  He seemed hurt enough to me.  IMO I think it would be fun if he was F1 but Josh and Nick are so completely polar opposites that if she gravitated towards Josh over Nick they wouldn't have been good together in the long run.

Yanno, I guess it's all in context of the person's personality. 
I throw around the F bomb pretty indiscriminately at times. Go figure!  
Now, I don't do that in professional situations, but when I am talking with someone I am close with--yeah I might use that word--fairly often.  
I'm snarky. Calling someone stubborn isn't a diss to me. Not even close. 
I would not have considered that convo public---unless I knew someone was eavesdropping or knew someone in my surrounding area. I would have felt anonymous. That's me. 
So I guess what I am saying is we might be attributing things to Nick--that aren't Nick. We really don't know.
I did not see him being upset at all. I saw him explaining the situation as he saw it to someone he was close.

Couldn't agree more with this post!

I agree that many might not take offense to the word stubborn but seeing Andi's reaction to the word poker face (which is much more neutral to me than stubborn) I wouldn't bet the farm on how she might react to hearing Nick refer to her as such.  Further, unless I misunderstood, I believe Nick on the tape also referred to her as passive-aggressive.  There's no getting around the negative connotation of that one.  So if the tape ends up being scripted, a new writer may be in order for the next go-around.

Quoted from the vid:

"She's incredibly stubborn, and if someone is passive aggressive and bottles it up, it probably…you know what I’m sayin?”

This could be understood to mean that if someone is passive-aggressive WITH her not that she is such.

[Guest]

That is why the video seems a little off to me.  If this is a guy who was made a believer and then dumped the last day with our without proposing, I would expect him to sound a little more upset with Andi.  

  

The videos had to be provided by someone who knew what they were doing.  

One 30 second video about Josh. And another three minute video about how easy their relationship was, looking forward to getting out of the bachelorette bubble, loved her family, and how Andi got scared and at the last minute went back to what she's use to Josh.

Who on a plane starts listening to other people's conversations especially when they are sitting a row ahead?

Why would Nick speak so loud?

What other reasons seem off about the video  

I find it suspicious myself. Nick had to have been talking loudly in order for the sound to be that good on the video. I also find it strange that the person could video him without anyone noticing or commenting on it. If Nick is having a conversation where he's giving out spoilers you'd think he'd be quiet and much more careful. He's obviously sitting by someone who complained about him talking. It would have been so easy for him to wait until he was off the plane & away from people to talk about being on the show.  

exactly!! he is a well soft spoken guy, why would he talk outloud when he had his earbud on?

Fleiss had changed me from a total skeptic of a Conspiracy Theory to a firm believer with Des season. *cough2 Nick *

this is the same person who had his minions filming Chris on Ranch Market--a crowded public space--in Seattle on a holiday  :shocked!: . we got a lot of IG/tw pic of girls w Chris confirming the sightings. Elan even took a picture of Chris handing roses to a bunch of girls. needless to say, i called it as Seattle fool.   

i could honestly say that i can picture Fleiss's way of thinking :
just put a good bait out there for all to see... then let the NATURE works... Wowza !!!!

[notarose]

It really is perplexing but could simply be his exit vid.  He's literally turned his back to the silly idea of this process. His feeling were real and his talked to real friend, instead of facing a camera, about his breakup. No more ridiculous ITM's. The real friends he made from the show are already in touch with him because the are aware of the vid and what it means. It really was a great group of guys.

It does sound to me that he did fall in love with her thus was surprised that what he thought was her reciprocating his love was in fact false.  He's on a plane.  He needs to contain himself.  He can cry when he gets home and for as many days as he needs to afterward.  
He says that he didn't try to convince her.  I think we'll likely see him take the rejection calmly.  The shellshock will hit him later when he's already off camera.  He said he told her he disagreed.  That may be literally all he says followed by wishing her well.  Totally anticlimactic for this show.
This is likely the only exit vid we'll ever see.

That's my weird theory for the day.  Team Nick all the way, in his real life and the pursuit of real love.

That being said, if Andi gets engaged to Josh then they will have the great love they are looking for. Why not.  That would just mean there are better matches out there for Nick and everyone else on the show.

There doesn't have to be a villain.

[emad0722]

It really is perplexing but could simply be his exit vid.  He's literally turned his back to the silly idea of this process. His feeling were real and his talked to real friend, instead of facing a camera, about his breakup. No more ridiculous ITM's. The real friends he made from the show are already in touch with him because the are aware of the vid and what it means.  It really was a great group of guys.

It does sound to me that he did fall in love with her thus was surprised that what he thought was her reciprocating his love was in fact false.  He's on a plane.  He needs to contain himself.  He can cry when he gets home and for as many days as he needs to afterward.  
He says that he didn't try to convince her.  I think we'll likely see him take the rejection calmly.  The shellshock will hit him later when he's already off camera.  He said he told her he disagreed.  That may be literally all he says followed by wishing her well.  Totally anticlimactic for this show.
This is likely the only exit vid we'll ever see.

That's my weird theory for the day.  Team Nick all the way, in his real life and the pursuit of real love.

That being said, if Andi gets engaged to Josh then they will have the great love they are looking for. Why not.  That would just mean there are better matches out there for Nick and everyone else on the show.

There doesn't have to be a villain.

Perfect post - you are so eloquent and I agree with you 100%!    

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