Re: Bachelorette 10 - Media Thread - *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion Thread #2

[sbolduc]

I don't think we'll ever hear Josh and Andi talk about anything real. Their physical relationship is ridiculous so the only doubt can come from their conversations IMO.

This generally occurs when the person is getting the "physical" edit.  I know that many people think that Marcus was getting the physical edit, but Andi made it clear from the beginning that Marcus was more than the "hot" guy.

Yes agreed. This will furthered in next episode when he talks about his childhood.

[ElonM]

Sharleen's Blog

Not certain it was posted yet.

http://www.alltheprettypandas.com/recaps/

[Guest]

So reminiscent of the Des/Brooks running/walking talk.  Can't help but think it may end up in the same manner.

The difference in Brooks and Josh is that Josh is into Andi where as Brooks was not into Des.  

IMO I don't think Andi and Josh are anything like Des and Brooks. I see both Andi and Josh equally into one another, where as Brooks was not in love with Des.

To me there is nothing wrong with Josh not saying I love you at this stage, in fact it makes him normal, I don't like that the other guys have already said it (which is so early). I say good on Josh for not saying it. I don't agree though with his "the next person I say it to I am going to marry" you can be in love and have a relationship and it not lead to marriage, that is life and it is one of the best ways to learn and grow as a person.

I really don't think Andi was looking for Josh to say I love you either. I think she wanted more than his generalized statements about her i.e. "I like you" "I like everything" "I wouldn't be here if I didn't feel something", I know there are reasons why Josh likes her but he just has a hard time articulating what those are, that is what I think Andi is fishing for.

I completely agree with this. He has given her several pat, unsubstantial answers when she has asked about their relationship re what he likes about her and it - like the examples you gave. During their little tiff he said something along the lines of "all I think about is you and our relationship" and Andi asked "what do you think about it" and he said "I like it". That's when she said you have to give me more than "like" as in what do you like about it, what we have going here, not her. As someone mentioned in a great post earlier she wants him to articulate the way he is feeling about their budding romance - like what he thinks they have together that is so right and good and working. I really feel this could be a problem for them if it is for her already. It's not him not saying he loves her, it's the overall way he communicates verbally in simplistic terms (he might have more depth, but doesn't communicate it in the way she is looking for). W know from last season that does not please her, to put it nicely. I also did find his defensiveness over the lie detector pretty glaring and it would have worried me too if he was the guy I was falling for. I actually get a little more where Andi was coming from after re-watching it. I think her gut instinct was sending her brain a message and it came out as a bit of a hissy fit, but it did come from a real reaction of noticing some red flags about their potential as a couple.

[JBF]

I know soccermom, your heart will always be with Prince Siegfried.   

But this one works:

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/06/26/andi-dorfman-josh-murray-dancing-with-the-stars-cast-season-19/

They sure are discussing this a LOT over on the motherboard (abc.com). Now pretty much half of the posters over there are convinced Josh is F1. Don't recall Reality Steve's spoilers being so... welcomed... over there. *chuckle chuckle*

That is very weird. I just feel like something is up, but I want SC

I'm not going to get into a big discussion about it beyond this post, but... over the seasons, abc.com has played an interesting part in "sleuthing". As I mentioned earlier in posts, I was pretty convinced Chris Lambton would be Ali's F1 until a thread about Roberto moving to California got deleted practically in front of my eyes. That was the first "sign" for me.

Some seasons they may not care about spoilers and everything else. Others they do. Much depends on how much gets deleted.

What was peculiar this season is that a thread suggesting Andi might be moving from Atlanta was abruptly deleted a few weeks ago. Later, a thread reporting that online article about her moving to Hollywood to potentially be what Eric accused her for being, a TV actress, got started and is still there... I think. In any case, it has been there for a while. Point of the matter: she MAY be moving from Atlanta, but ABC/Warner Horizon doesn't want us to know where... unless it is Los Angelesssss.

Not that anybody is still talking about THAT anymore.

Another thread deleted within a day involved some discussion of Chris potentially being a dark horse F1 on account of his curious edit. Apparently something discussed "bothered" them. What?

The actual name "Reality Steve" has actually come up in several posts. Perhaps he has been mentioned many times before and I haven't "patrolled" the site enough. Yet I've counted at least four posts discussing Nick's video that "RS" posted.

The forum is swamped with Nick vs. Josh debates, much like here except on the edit, Chris and Marcus threads. One thread was started because many no longer want to see Chris as Bachelor and already know Josh has won, so it reads "MARCUS: NEXT SEASON'S, THE BACHELOR!!!!"

Of course, that HollywoodLife article has its own thread titled "DWTS Andi and Josh" with 28 posts already. Yes, you read that correctly. Everybody on that messageboard now KNOWS that Andi and Josh will be on DWTS together. No "spoiler" warning or anything.

ABC/Fleiss is doing everything they can to push the Josh spoiler on the masses. Is it because he is F1 and Andi is furious with every other guy on the show and wants to rub him in their faces? When Jimmy Kimmel chose him for her on his show, the audience all cheered... and Andi smiled back. Go figure. I will never understand the "psychology" of this show and its creators... or Andi, for that matter.

[SueSt]

The difference in Brooks and Josh is that Josh is into Andi where as Brooks was not into Des.  

IMO I don't think Andi and Josh are anything like Des and Brooks. I see both Andi and Josh equally into one another, where as Brooks was not in love with Des.

To me there is nothing wrong with Josh not saying I love you at this stage, in fact it makes him normal, I don't like that the other guys have already said it (which is so early). I say good on Josh for not saying it. I don't agree though with his "the next person I say it to I am going to marry" you can be in love and have a relationship and it not lead to marriage, that is life and it is one of the best ways to learn and grow as a person.

I really don't think Andi was looking for Josh to say I love you either. I think she wanted more than his generalized statements about her i.e. "I like you" "I like everything" "I wouldn't be here if I didn't feel something", I know there are reasons why Josh likes her but he just has a hard time articulating what those are, that is what I think Andi is fishing for.

I completely agree with this.  He has given her several pat, unsubstantial answers when she has asked about their relationship re what he likes about her and it - like the examples you gave.  During their little tiff he said something along the lines of "all I think about is you and our relationship" and Andi asked "what do you think about it" and he said "I like it".  That's when she said you have to give me more than "like" as in what do you like about it, what we have going here, not her.  As someone mentioned in a great post earlier she wants him to articulate the way he is feeling about their budding romance - like what he thinks they have together that is so right and good and working.  I really feel this could be a problem for them if it is for her already.  It's not him not saying he loves her, it's the overall way he communicates verbally in simplistic terms (he might have more depth, but doesn't communicate it in the way she is looking for).  W know from last season that does not please her, to put it nicely.  I also did find his defensiveness over the lie detector pretty glaring and it would have worried me too if he was the guy I was falling for.  I actually get a little more where Andi was coming from after re-watching it.  I think her gut instinct was sending her brain a message and it came out as a bit of a hissy fit, but it did come from a real reaction of noticing some red flags about their potential as a couple.

great post, relaxing. Josh's reaction is especially glaring for me in comparison with Nick's. Nick is looking to address her concerns throughout Episode 5 and 6 in very detailed, mature, articulate and thoughtful ways. He is not defensive or trying to steamroll over her feelings as Josh appears to me. He even says something in Ep 6 about wanting to demonstrate to her that he's taken her concerns into account. SUCH a contrast for me.

[Kashathediva]

I didn't watch last season with JPG. So all I "know" of Sharleen is what I gleaned from this forum. I like her blogs--very snarky and seems pretty straight forward!   

[Guest]

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I'm not going to get into a big discussion about it beyond this post, but... over the seasons, abc.com has played an interesting part in "sleuthing". As I mentioned earlier in posts, I was pretty convinced Chris Lambton would be Ali's F1 until a thread about Roberto moving to California got deleted practically in front of my eyes. That was the first "sign" for me.

Some seasons they may not care about spoilers and everything else. Others they do. Much depends on how much gets deleted.

What was peculiar this season is that a thread suggesting Andi might be moving from Atlanta was abruptly deleted a few weeks ago. Later, a thread reporting that online article about her moving to Hollywood to potentially be what Eric accused her for being, a TV actress, got started and is still there... I think. In any case, it has been there for a while. Point of the matter: she MAY be moving from Atlanta, but ABC/Warner Horizon doesn't want us to know where... unless it is Los Angelesssss.

Not that anybody is still talking about THAT anymore.

Another thread deleted within a day involved some discussion of Chris potentially being a dark horse F1 on account of his curious edit. Apparently something discussed "bothered" them. What?

The actual name "Reality Steve" has actually come up in several posts. Perhaps he has been mentioned many times before and I haven't "patrolled" the site enough. Yet I've counted at least four posts discussing Nick's video that "RS" posted.

The forum is swamped with Nick vs. Josh debates, much like here except on the edit, Chris and Marcus threads. One thread was started because many no longer want to see Chris as Bachelor and already know Josh has won, so it reads "MARCUS: NEXT SEASON'S, THE BACHELOR!!!!"

Of course, that HollywoodLife article has its own thread titled "DWTS Andi and Josh" with 28 posts already. Yes, you read that correctly. Everybody on that messageboard now KNOWS that Andi and Josh will be on DWTS together. No "spoiler" warning or anything.

ABC/Fleiss is doing everything they can to push the Josh spoiler on the masses. Is it because he is F1 and Andi is furious with every other guy on the show and wants to rub him in their faces? When Jimmy Kimmel chose him for her on his show, the audience all cheered... and Andi smiled back. Go figure. I will never understand the "psychology" of this show and its creators... or Andi, for that matter.

I'm sorr JBF but I am confused... are you talking about THIS site?

[Guest]

When Nick said he was falling in love he was looking at his shoes.  So holding back till you really mean it is better than saying it without looking her in the face.

i think right before any guy on this show says those 3 little words andi should staaaahp them, whip out the lie detector machine, preferably jimmy kimmel's pasta strainer with the flashing lights & loud buzzer, hook them up to it and then let them proceed.   

[Piper61]

When Nick said he was falling in love he was looking at his shoes.  So holding back till you really mean it is better than saying it without looking her in the face.

i think right before any guy on this show says those 3 little words andi should staaaahp them, whip out the lie detector machine, preferably jimmy kimmel's pasta strainer with the flashing lights & loud buzzer, hook them up to it and then let them proceed.   

  

[JBF]

I'm sorr JBF but I am confused... are you talking about THIS site?

abc.com Bachelorette messageboard

I do confuse a lot of people here, don't I?

[Guest]

thanks!!! Makes a LOT more sense!   

[JBF]

This line may have confoooozed you... LOL!

"The forum (abc.com) is swamped with Nick vs. Josh debates, much like here (this forum) except on the edit, Chris and Marcus threads (on THIS forum, where there is more questioning of "the spoilers"). "

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