The Bachelor Australia - Season 2 - Blake Garvey - *Sleuthing* - *Spoilers* - General Discussion -

see2love wrote:He did tell Lisa he has falling for her and that she swept him off his feet but we are to assume that was scripted? I chose to believe he felt that way and he said it meaning it. Why is everything he said to Lisa scripted but everything he said to Sam real? I am just wondering. I remember how it was argued that Clare was F1 and JPG was scripted with Nikki... We all know how that turned out. I have no horse in the race so kudos to the winning lady whoever she is.

want to put a disclaimer that's my individual opinion i'd love to hear your take on their relationship and how it's progressing and why she might be F1

see2love wrote:To be honest both girls would be devastated if he chose the other. Peole saying it would be cruel of him to get Sam sized for a ring are forgetting how devastating it will be for Lisa if he got Sam a ring all along and played her along. I guess my point is lets not assume one person's pain of rejection is greater than the other person's. i like Sam and i like Lisa and i am not thinking Sam will be morehurt if she is F2 than Lisa would.

Very good point you are making. Most of us are just wowed by Sam's realness & genuineness as she was edited also confirmed by Katrina, Chantal & other girls during the WTA. Also Lisa likes Sam a lot based on a couple of her ITMs.

We also all think Lisa is very lovely & Blake also had strong feelings for her. However we think based on how she has been edited so far, she comes across as being more light hearted & not too serious at the start of the show as confirmed by Holly in an interview. So that's why we think she might not be as devastated as Sam. But for sure you are right that Lisa will still not take it well. As AllAboutLove & Emusha have analyzed, Lisa will have a great relationship with Blake & they connect on so many levels. But with Sam it's that unexplainable type of love that he has with Sam from what we have been shown so far.

emusha wrote:

Kapiti wrote:Hey lovelies! I have been following along quietly for a few weeks on all your amazing sleuthing & thoughts.
Thought I would put my 2 cents in at last! To balance things out, I am Team Lisa! I have loved her journey on the show & personally connect with her more than the other girls. Her date tonight was beautiful and it was so nice to get to see her opening up and becoming emotional.
That being said, I don't think Blake will choose her and agree with the comments on how Blakes's love story has focused on Sam.
I also noticed that for the final dates tomorrow night Sam was wearing the red nail polish that you ladies spotted in the photo of Blake proposing. Seems that Sam has it in the bag!!

awww  so great to have you here and aerina our nail polish sleuther will greatly appreciate your good eye picking out the red nail polish tomorrow!!!!!!!  I'll put SC in the screencap thread

So glad you spoke up and so good to have a #teamlisa part of the forum -- I know I may not have been very complimentary of her (minus a short stint giving her the benefit of the doubt) but i realize all of us see different things and the connections come across differently to each of us -- so appreciate you for sharing!

mercieme wrote:Emusha, you were dead on that the F3 clips did not add up, now we know why!!! I think AllAboutLove mentioned in her analysis up thread that Table Mountain was shown in the background of Sam's F3 date.

you know what I still don't get it...I would assume table mountain is visible from many big vantage points in capetown...??? maybe it's in the dates tomorrow but I felt silly not realizing that the "whale" we thought we saw in the pick was actually a shark...nonetheless good stuff they packed in two big things for each date and we figured it out (kinda)!! next dates look like

sam
safari (day)
dinner (night)
lisa
ballon (day)
dinner (night)

We also figured out the MTP cap ahead of time with Sam's red blazer and black top she wore in an ITM we had identified. sleuthing is fun!!!!  

Thanks so much for the lovely welcome Emusha! These forums are wonderful. All I see on other sites/facebook are lots of venomous comments and zero sleuthing hehe. This site is like a mix of Jane Austen (romance) and Sherlock Holmes (sleuthing) which makes a wonderful combo!
As for Lisa, Happy to represent. All the ladies are awesome, I just think each of us will personally connect with and understand one more than the others. It's nice to hear all the different points of view!

see2love wrote:He did tell Lisa he has falling for her and that she swept him off his feet but we are to assume that was scripted? I chose to believe he felt that way and he said it meaning it. Why is everything he said to Lisa scripted but everything he said to Sam real? I am just wondering. I remember how it was argued that Clare was F1 and JPG was scripted with Nikki... We all know how that turned out. I have no horse in the race so kudos to the winning lady whoever she is.

I agree in that I don't think Lisa is scripted. I know lots of folk from the Sunny Coast (where Noosa is) and they are generally really laid back and not big on 'mushy feelings'. Lisa did say she felt embarrassed when Blake started telling her some romantic things on their date tonight. Personally, I just think it's her personality. I've met a few people that remind me of her and deep down they are super romantic, just not so great at sharing it publicly.

I have seen Blake more of himself wih Lisa and shown facets of his real life with Lisa. He showed her his auctioneer side on the horse tracks something they both enjoy in real life. He talks about the future with her, kids and all. Its not a bachelor moment whenever they talk or go on dates. They just enjoy the experience. He did say to her family that he could not have gone through the experience without her. Told her point blamk he is falling for her and its deep. Thhat she has completely swept him pff his feet. I see it with Sam too to be honest. Year after year we get a team somebody completely sweep all other evidence pointing to another under the rug or call the connection producer driven. Lol. Even timestamps on JPG season did not help with nikki's case. I suspect that he chose Sam but by the same token he had just as strong a relationship with Lisa

So I want to draw attention to when Sam says to Blake

"I do, hand on heart, love you, very much so... and sometimes, I can tell by the way you look at me, you love me too..."

Remember the pre-HTD date?
Blake told Sam that she can "read him very well".

You don't even know how happy I am for these two.. I have zero doubts. Zero.

When Sam tells Blake she loves him and she can tell he loves her starts at 17:30 to see where she says this...

Lisa totally lights up when around children. I kept thinking why doesn't she pursue a career with kids instead of fashion? Couldn't believe how each date fit each girl's interest best - Sam with adventure, Louise with lovely wine country and Lisa with kids. I just know I'd love to stay in either resort Louise and Lisa had - beautiful. One question I've had is whether Blake is holding back the over-the-top romantic date with Sam as he knows she is 'it' for him and that they'll have a beautiful stay in South Africa after he proposes.

I was very touched by Sam telling Blake how wonderful Lisa and Louise are and if he chooses one of them, he'll get a good woman. The producers left that in for a reason ...

Kapiti wrote:
Thanks so much for the lovely welcome Emusha! These forums are wonderful. All I see on other sites/facebook are lots of venomous comments and zero sleuthing hehe. This site like a mix of Jane Austen (romance) and Sherlock Holmes (sleuthing) which makes a wonderful combo!

As for Lisa, Happy to represent. All the ladies are awesome, I just think each of us will personally connect with and understand one more than the others. It's nice to hear all the different points of view!

see2love wrote:He did tell Lisa he has falling for her and that she swept him off his feet but we are to assume that was scripted? I chose to believe he felt that way and he said it meaning it. Why is everything he said to Lisa scripted but everything he said to Sam real? I am just wondering. I remember how it was argued that Clare was F1 and JPG was scripted with Nikki... We all know how that turned out. I have no horse in the race so kudos to the winning lady whoever she is.

I agree in that I don't think Lisa is scripted. I know lots of folk from the Sunny Coast (where Noosa is) and they are generally really laid back and not big on 'mushy feelings'. Lisa did say she felt embarrassed when Blake started telling her some romantic things on their date tonight. Personally, I just think it's her personality. I've met a few people that remind me of her and deep down they are super romantic, just not so great at sharing it publicly.

hahaha love that description!! I think Guiardian Angle, other board moderators/admins and some of us long-time boardies all appreciate that phrase you just coined that's exactly what this board is!! hahaha In the mean time, that's great to hear your take on her behavior and the fact that she's not being very "emotive" being a cultural trait -- I believe Allforlove or someone else brought it up before that Lisa might just be that way and her family seems that way too...
For me the difficulty I have with her dialogue is that it doesn't show progression of feelings...it kind of jumps around and that jarrs/confuses me...I think she's a wonderful wondrful girl but I don't think she's been sooo into/in love with Blake and I tried to see that side of the story but had a difficult time...she also is pretty blase and monotonus in her facial expressions and tones of voice (we've seen her playing around with sam or the girls or the children and it's a different lisa)...again this is my watching experience...not the inarguable "truth"

It is funny...

not only did I notice Blake's face, but Chantal said "Watch his face, watch his face!"

.... and then Sam herself says she can see love on his face by the way he looks at her.

It was there... open, raw, Episode 8.  It is still there. That is amazing really considering four months surrounded by stunning desirable women.

Both Blake's face and his body LEANS into Sam... he reaches for her. I said it earlier, but Blake does not just love Sam, her cherishes her.

Gosh these season's been amazing..  haha

Norcalgal wrote:I was very touched by Sam telling  Blake how wonderful Lisa and Louise are and if he chooses one of them, he'll get a good woman.  The producers left that in for a reason ...

This girl is a gem.

She is so self-deprecating in a real way.

I think what is beautiful about Blake and Sam's story is that, just like Blake says he wishes Sam could see him through his eyes, we, as viewers have gotten to see Sam through Blake's eyes....

He was telling her story, their journey... from their first date... it was so personal and it was because he had a feeling she was it and just HAD to know more about her background and where she came from, because he recognized himself in her.

And after confirming his feeling on their first date, Blake knew he would be NUTS to let her leave. Sam had his heart looong ago.

Norcalgal wrote:Lisa totally lights up when around children.  I kept thinking why doesn't she pursue a career with kids instead of fashion?  Couldn't believe how each date fit each girl's interest best - Sam with adventure, Louise with lovely wine country and Lisa with kids.  I just know I'd love to stay in either resort Louise and Lisa had - beautiful.  One question I've had is whether Blake is holding back the over-the-top romantic date with Sam as he knows she is 'it' for him and that they'll have a beautiful stay in South Africa after he proposes.

Ahhhh! Lisa's date with the kids was so beautiful. Loved when she said that the way the kids welcomed them with so much love even though they were strangers inspired her to open up.  
Plus her joke at the end was so funny! "Blake and I are adopting kids, come home with us" and a bunch of the kids got up to run off with them till the supervisor/teacher got them to sit back down hehe.

emusha wrote:

Kapiti wrote:
Thanks so much for the lovely welcome Emusha! These forums are wonderful. All I see on other sites/facebook are lots of venomous comments and zero sleuthing hehe. This site like a mix of Jane Austen (romance) and Sherlock Holmes (sleuthing) which makes a wonderful combo!

As for Lisa, Happy to represent. All the ladies are awesome, I just think each of us will personally connect with and understand one more than the others. It's nice to hear all the different points of view!

see2love wrote:He did tell Lisa he has falling for her and that she swept him off his feet but we are to assume that was scripted? I chose to believe he felt that way and he said it meaning it. Why is everything he said to Lisa scripted but everything he said to Sam real? I am just wondering. I remember how it was argued that Clare was F1 and JPG was scripted with Nikki... We all know how that turned out. I have no horse in the race so kudos to the winning lady whoever she is.

I agree in that I don't think Lisa is scripted. I know lots of folk from the Sunny Coast (where Noosa is) and they are generally really laid back and not big on 'mushy feelings'. Lisa did say she felt embarrassed when Blake started telling her some romantic things on their date tonight. Personally, I just think it's her personality. I've met a few people that remind me of her and deep down they are super romantic, just not so great at sharing it publicly.

hahaha love that description!! I think Guiardian Angle, other board moderators/admins and some of us long-time boardies all appreciate that phrase you just coined that's exactly what this board is!! hahaha In the mean time, that's great to hear your take on her behavior and the fact that she's not being very "emotive" being a cultural trait -- I believe Allforlove or someone else brought it up before that Lisa might just be that way and her family seems that way too...
For me the difficulty I have with her dialogue is that it doesn't show progression of feelings...it kind of jumps around and that jarrs/confuses me...I think she's a wonderful wondrful girl but I don't think she's been sooo into/in love with Blake and I tried to see that side of the story but had a difficult time...she also is pretty blase and monotonus in her facial expressions and tones of voice (we've seen her playing around with sam or the girls or the children and it's a different lisa)...again this is my watching experience...not the truth

Haha Sherlock/Austen it is then! I can imagine you all making terrific detectives!! I agree that Lisa's development has been shown to be choppy. I dare say that once they knew Sam was F1 they probably didn't bother to include the full picture for Lisa. As well as the fact that the two of them did get lots of off-camera bonding time, so we don't get to see that.
I can totally see her expressions coming off as blase, but I personally find them more guarded, like she could be feeling super vulnerable underneath but isn't the fiery type to let it all out for everyone to see?

HA!!! you know what i just realized??? when you said that AllAboutLove I totally just got the edit the prodcucers have been going for.... Sam is TOTALLY that girl-next-door who catches herself in a romantic comedy ...she's absolutely that romantic comedy girl...sandra bullock (miss congeniality for instance), meg ryan...that imperfect, doesn't think she deserves the "perfect" guy - klutzy, falls all over herseef, curses, doesn't dress well, doesn't know how to carry herself (throws mints down her dress), doesn't know how to profess her feelings -- mumbles all over herself, doesn't follow the right trajectory of smoothly falling in love stuttering and hiccuping the whole way... and yet the "perfect" guy sees only her! haha and that's the edit...
we see all the "perfect" girls -- perfect for different reasons...but "perfect/prince charming" dude is only focused on one girl even when she tells him she's afraid he'll be disappointed if he picks her! and he wants her just as she is...he WANTS her exactly as she is without fixes... it's the romcom from down under! :Bubba: