Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 5 - Jun 16/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

Rolly wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

pbmax wrote:I'm gonna just say, there's a lot this season that make me go hmmmmm. That got me puzzled and not quite making sense to me. Josh's edit from the get go, too many pi's that reminds me of F2 or mot guys. Then they show him and JJ bullying Andrew with his I'm a grown azz man comment. Then we see his anger every week on top of his aggressive competitive behavior in the game Andi noticed and spoke of.His interaction with Andi reminds me of Chantal and Brad. His edit is kind of like Clare last season.I just can't see where they are going. like Alley season I couldn't see her not choosing someone, when I saw how she was with Roberto and nothing but acting with Frank. It just didn't make sense to me. After watching the preview and seeing she is questioning Josh, it isn't making sense.

I agree, there are a lot of things this season that really aren't adding up...from the edit to the SM to the video.  Stuff isn't backing each other up PROPERLY.  That video looks like it's made up.  Before it gets started, yes I do understand that it is Nick in the video, but whose to say that the producers didn't put him up to it to throw everyone off.  All the clues on SM by the LEAD which isn't normal...almost like the Lead isn't on twitter but the producers are contorlling it.  I am sorry, but I can't find myself following the concept that Josh is F1.  Too many what if's that just don't line up with anything right now.


Edited to add:

BTW, who would antagonize and verbally assault Chris when he gets the rose on the group date?  Doubt it would be Marcus, Nick isn't on the date, doubt it would be Dylan, so who does that leave???  Josh??

JJ I think.

Quite possible, Rolly. I'm not ruling out that this is just more trumped up drama by TPTB no matter who it is. But, we shall see.

joshfan wrote:Hi, I am new to this forum. I am a josh fan
I just wanted to know what did andi say during her date with josh on the calanques? something like .. pretty face like you and he replies no need to be careful

WELCOME! You should come on over to this thread https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t2402p768-josh-murray-bachelorette-10-fan-forum-spoilers-discussion

joshfan wrote:Hi, I am new to this forum. I am a josh fan
I just wanted to know what did andi say during her date with josh on the calanques? something like .. pretty face like you and he replies no need to be careful

She said she/one must be careful around someone with a pretty face like his, and he told her no, she didn't need to be careful.

I apologize if this was already brought up (I think I missed a few pages of this thread somewhere in the middle but I can't find them, so maybe not), or if I'm putting this in the wrong thread (perhaps it should be in a thread about the Edit?).

During the private concert with Ben Fields, they start dancing to the first verse, there is the cute nose kissing exchange and then Andi tells Josh to "listen to the words",
and they keep dancing and they listen to this part of the song:

"If there's one good reason for taking it slowly,
I know I haven't found it yet and that's why I'm alone,"
- they cut away for a quick ITM with Josh -
then back to the dancing and
Josh: "This is awesome"
Andi: "Good"
Josh "I'm so happy with you"
Andi: "Good"

- cut away for another ITM with Josh "it was just fireworks from the beginning, I can't wait to see what happens next" -

AND THEN RIGHT THEN THEY CUT OUT the middle part of the song with the most interesting lyrics!   

Here are the lyrics they cut out and we did not get to hear:

"But this ain't no typical love,
This is the kind that people dream of their whole life,
It ain't a typical love,
It's balanced firmly on the edge of a knife"

So after the deleted part of the song/dance, we pick up near the end of the song, and now they're a little more animated and saying this:

Josh: "I did not know this was happening"
Andi:"I'm just smiling from ear to ear"
Josh: "I can't stop smiling right now"
Josh: "You make me so happy"

V/O and then ITM with Josh "definitely on path to falling in love with Andi, it's a great feeling"

back to song/dance
Josh: "This couldn't be any more perfect"
Andi: "This is amazing"
as song is ending,
Josh: "you make me so happy"

So, I really hope we eventually get to see the missing middle of the song/dance, maybe at the ATFR, because IMHO that was the moment when the two of them actually fell in love with each other.   

Martinanne wrote:I apologize if this was already brought up (I think I missed a few pages of this thread somewhere in the middle but I can't find them, so maybe not), or if I'm putting this in the wrong thread (perhaps it should be in a thread about the Edit?).

During the private concert with Ben Fields, they start dancing to the first verse, there is the cute nose kissing exchange and then Andi tells Josh to "listen to the words",
and they keep dancing and they listen to this part of the song:

"If there's one good reason for taking it slowly,
I know I haven't found it yet and that's why I'm alone,"
- they cut away for a quick ITM with Josh -
then back to the dancing and
Josh: "This is awesome"
Andi: "Good"
Josh "I'm so happy with you"
Andi: "Good"

- cut away for another ITM with Josh "it was just fireworks from the beginning, I can't wait to see what happens next" -

AND THEN RIGHT THEN THEY CUT OUT the middle part of the song with the most interesting lyrics!   

Here are the lyrics they cut out and we did not get to hear:

"But this ain't no typical love,
This is the kind that people dream of their whole life,
It ain't a typical love,
It's balanced firmly on the edge of a knife"

So after the deleted part of the song/dance, we pick up near the end of the song, and now they're a little more animated and saying this:

Josh: "I did not know this was happening"
Andi:"I'm just smiling from ear to ear"
Josh: "I can't stop smiling right now"
Josh: "You make me so happy"

V/O and then ITM with Josh "definitely on path to falling in love with Andi, it's a great feeling"

back to song/dance
Josh: "This couldn't be any more perfect"
Andi: "This is amazing"
as song is ending,
Josh: "you make me so happy"

So, I really hope we eventually get to see the missing middle of the song/dance, maybe at the ATFR, because IMHO that was the moment when the two of them actually fell in love with each other.     

it could be the part where he was kissing her cheek and pulls him in and gets lost. I remember this scene from the preview of the season on ep 1.

ThankMeLater wrote:

it could be the part where he was kissing her cheek and pulls him in and gets lost. I remember this scene from the preview of the season on ep 1.

Oh yeah I bet you're right!  I found it here at 0:59 (and in slomo at 8:40).  Does that look like a match? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgzFYR2IZg  

It seemed that they showed a lot more shots of Nick than anyone else in that preview.

My issue with Nick in this episode was how he was such a Debbie downer and thought he was too cool for the group date. Yes Nick I get the date was a foolish idea but if you compare this date to the singing or stripping date he was pretty lucky. You never saw any of the other guys such Marcus complain so I don't understand why he couldn't just go with the flow?

Those TPTB make me giggle...

Came across this while cutting Ep05:



as the boys and Andi walk in the streets at the start of the GD

Finally saw this episode..

1. Love Marquel.. I hope he finds his love one day. I respect him so much. He has such a great personality and the way he handled the andrew thing.. such a classy guy.

2. im warming up to josh a lot- i saw a little emotion with him, but i want to see more emotion from him. its like i want to see him cry LOL. his chemistry with andi is great.

3. nick is interesting. he was not into the date & andi called him out on it. she knew he wasnt having fun and wants him to make the best of it- which i agree. it is unnatural but have fun with it at least. and im glad andi said "if i was your wife, would you tell me" but i will give nick points for admitting his fault and apologizing because that was the right thing to do.

4. only seeing physical connection with brian and marcus. chris is friendzoned.

[quote="ThankMeLater"]My issue with Nick in this episode was how he was such a Debbie downer and thought he was too cool for the group date. Yes Nick I get the date was a foolish idea but if you compare this date to the singing or stripping date he was pretty lucky. You never saw any of the other guys such Marcus complain so I don't understand why he couldn't just go with the flow?[/quot


"The trouble with Nick, these group dates are for finding where people's comfort zone is, how well they interact with the other guys, and are they willing to try new things just for fun.  These are such a part of parenting, this would be a real red flag that someone would turn out to be a selfish,spoiled parent:(   
Whereas Josh has shown just the opposite with Andi and the guys of how to be generous, have fun, but take the important things seriously, just my opinion.....   

violetstoo wrote:

ThankMeLater wrote:My issue with Nick in this episode was how he was such a Debbie downer and thought he was too cool for the group date. Yes Nick I get the date was a foolish idea but if you compare this date to the singing or stripping date he was pretty lucky. You never saw any of the other guys such Marcus complain so I don't understand why he couldn't just go with the flow?[/quot


"The trouble with Nick, these group dates are for finding where people's comfort zone is, how well they interact with the other guys, and are they willing to try new things just for fun.  These are such a part of parenting, this would be a real red flag that someone would turn out to be a selfish,spoiled parent:(   
Whereas Josh has shown just the opposite with Andi and the guys of how to be generous, have fun, but take the important things seriously, just my opinion.....   

As you mentioned parenting:
At the m&g in epi 1 Nick told Andi that he was from a family of 11 children and that he had had to take on a "father" role with some of his younger siblings.  It was the only time he looked uncomfortable during that conversation.  We don't know at this point in the show why that was necessary.  
Taking on a parent role at a young age would mean that you watch over others while they play. Playing basketball as in the first GD was a completely different kind of play.