Re: Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 4 - Mon June 2/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

by 2observe Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:58 am

atem wrote:I don't get people condoning lying and leading people on. I don't care if they knew what they signed up for. It's WRONG! It's like that whole cat fish fad.

For her to go off on Eric is wrong as he is one of the nicest men around and it turns my stomach with her trying to act like he was 'family'. I never have liked her and she's not the type to be the lead.

Deception is the name of this game and EVERYONE knew it when they signed up. As for Andi expecting all of the attention, she is the Lead and it's about her journey to find love. So the focus is suppose to be on her.

by Kashathediva Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:59 am

I do remember leads in the past letting cast know without coming out and telling them that basically--we are friends, this isn't going to work.
We all know the premise of the show, but there are ways verbally and nonverbally to let someone know "i'm not that into you."
Andi has the "queen" syndrome. Bow down and serve. I want attention. She is simply Meandi.

by Spoil Me Again Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:05 am

Kashathediva wrote:I do remember leads in the past letting cast know without coming out and telling them that basically--we are friends, this isn't going to work.
We all know the premise of the show, but there are ways verbally and nonverbally to let someone know "i'm not that into you."
Andi has the "queen" syndrome. Bow down and serve. I want attention. She is simply Meandi.

by nutty1 Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:11 am

She is only in week 3….I don't blame her for still focusing on all the guys. I don't think she lead JJ on anymore than she'd have to.
I am not saying I am a major Andi fan, I am sort of neutral. But I think at this point, she isn't overly leading guys on. JMO.

by **GuardianAngel** Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:19 am

She is doing a great job as the lead as far as what TPTB want. CH mentions in his blog:

Is it just me, or does Andi seem to have deeper more meaningful conversations than many Bachelorettes have in the past?

I have to agree, yes she is, even though she knows very well she's not into them. Hence, doing what they want. She wasn't into JPG however it irked her that he wasn't into her and she knew it. For some reason it wasn't Okay that she wanted to leave.

She wants everyone to focus on her in dramatic fashion, even though she knows there are less than a handful she really is interested in.

We will see another side of her dramatic oscar performance in tonight's epi. I hope it doesn't backfire on her as far as her character.

by Ariela Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:28 am

2observe wrote:
atem wrote:I don't get people condoning lying and leading people on. I don't care if they knew what they signed up for. It's WRONG! It's like that whole cat fish fad.

For her to go off on Eric is wrong as he is one of the nicest men around and it turns my stomach with her trying to act like he was 'family'. I never have liked her and she's not the type to be the lead.
Deception is the name of this game and EVERYONE knew it when they signed up. As for Andi expecting all of the attention, she is the Lead and it's about her journey to find love. So the focus is suppose to be on her.[/quote]

Sure. But that doesn't mean that she should literally BS ALL the guys back. How are men supposed to respect LYING/FAKE women? Maybe she's trying to win an Emmy and get into showbiz at their expense.

Granted, they should have been briefed about game playing when they signed up, and we don't know what their contract says. But if they are told that they are there to vie for Andi, and aside from the cameras, it's a normal setting, then she is crossing the line. NOBODY should require this much attention, and pretend back to be into ALL the men....unless you have "issues".

I'm sure that an argument can be made that she is trying to get to know them. However, I see 100% fake, two-faced, person. She walks into the room, chooses her words carefully, and makes a comment in such a way that is purely MANIPULATIVE, making each of the guys think that it's ONLY pertaining to them. She is not exactly making "blanket statements". Lawyers know how to manipulate a situation with the right words, and she does it well. As long as they don't compare notes, they'll never know what hit them when they are let go, until the show is over.

Whoever coined the term "MeAndi" is spot on.

by Catdwoman50 Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:10 pm

GuardianAngel wrote:She is doing a great job as the lead as far as what TPTB want. CH mentions in his blog:

Is it just me, or does Andi seem to have deeper more meaningful conversations than many Bachelorettes have in the past?

I have to agree, yes she is, even though she knows very well she's not into them. Hence, doing what they want. She wasn't into JPG however it irked her that he wasn't into her and she knew it. For some reason it wasn't Okay that she wanted to leave.

She wants everyone to focus on her in dramatic fashion, even though she knows there are less than a handful she really is interested in.

We will see another side of her dramatic oscar performance in tonight's epi. I hope it doesn't backfire on her as far as her character.

Andi is a litigator, she's developed the skills to get people to talk. She is "working" at this point, very controlled in her emotions. So in situations where she doesn't feel it - it is obvious she's acting like litigators have learned to do in front of a jury. I think this is why she is being labeled "fake." I don't like her 100% but Andi is responding to situations as she would naturally handle it. Some leads in the past would have said, it's not working out, but Andi (I see her as a moderator/facilitator) is still figuring out who she will invest her emotions on - she has not truly put it out there yet. I wasn't really into her during JPs season but I remember her showing insecurity she has not had the 1-1 date - I have to go back to those episodes to see if she was acting at that point. I know that the breakup with JP was a little to much on the acting side for me, but I wonder if we can find the situations when she showed real feelings.

by atem Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:39 pm

GuardianAngel wrote:She is doing a great job as the lead as far as what TPTB want. CH mentions in his blog:

Is it just me, or does Andi seem to have deeper more meaningful conversations than many Bachelorettes have in the past?

I have to agree, yes she is, even though she knows very well she's not into them. Hence, doing what they want. She wasn't into JPG however it irked her that he wasn't into her and she knew it. For some reason it wasn't Okay that she wanted to leave.

She wants everyone to focus on her in dramatic fashion, even though she knows there are less than a handful she really is interested in.

We will see another side of her dramatic oscar performance in tonight's epi. I hope it doesn't backfire on her as far as her character.

I call BS on that one. The show decides what's shown and who knows what the conversations that were on the cutting room floor? Isn't this the same guy that said Desiree was the best Bachelorette they have ever had?

by jcrbil Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:47 pm

Catdwoman50 wrote:
GuardianAngel wrote:She is doing a great job as the lead as far as what TPTB want. CH mentions in his blog:

Is it just me, or does Andi seem to have deeper more meaningful conversations than many Bachelorettes have in the past?

I have to agree, yes she is, even though she knows very well she's not into them. Hence, doing what they want. She wasn't into JPG however it irked her that he wasn't into her and she knew it. For some reason it wasn't Okay that she wanted to leave.

She wants everyone to focus on her in dramatic fashion, even though she knows there are less than a handful she really is interested in.

We will see another side of her dramatic oscar performance in tonight's epi. I hope it doesn't backfire on her as far as her character.

Andi is a litigator, she's developed the skills to get people to talk. She is "working" at this point, very controlled in her emotions. So in situations where she doesn't feel it - it is obvious she's acting like litigators have learned to do in front of a jury. I think this is why she is being labeled "fake." I don't like her 100% but Andi is responding to situations as she would naturally handle it. Some leads in the past would have said, it's not working out, but Andi (I see her as a moderator/facilitator) is still figuring out who she will invest her emotions on - she has not truly put it out there yet. I wasn't really into her during JPs season but I remember her showing insecurity she has not had the 1-1 date - I have to go back to those episodes to see if she was acting at that point. I know that the breakup with JP was a little to much on the acting side for me, but I wonder if we can find the situations when she showed real feelings.

I agree, Andi is trained to ~~interrogate~~ er, get people talking. So interesting guys, like Eric and JJ (in his quirky way), can go on dates and then she can get them to open up. These first dates are all about getting to the f4 and having enough entertainment value to get the audience tuned in each week. That Andi is showing considerable heat with a couple of guys makes it pretty obvious to the world who's getting to the HTDs. We will not, because we never do, hear much about Andi, but she will be looking for men who ask about her and want to know what makes her tick. I think Andi, more than some former bach-ettes, is just a little obvious about how she's sticking with "the script". Marcus is the "introvert who hangs back", Nick is the "skeptic" who has to be convinced, Chris is the "nice guy", Josh is "the one" on paper. Often "the one" is not f1.... She knows she's expected to bring the drama, so she's doing that. I know a lot of people believe that Ali's messed up hair ITM over Frank leaving showed that she was greatly upset. But considering her relatively low key response as it happened, that was put in for effect. Andi's obvious, but I just consider it bad acting.

They've given us a taste of what happened with Eric- who knows what will actually air? I really hope tptb don't use the situation to make anyone look bad (if there's less drama shown than has been implied, I'm fine with that).

by Catdwoman50 Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:59 pm

^^jcrbil ITA on your ITA. But question on your second point. I understand not showing respect but isn't it manipulative too if what is shown re Eric is toned down? Wonder if Andi has kissed him on their date and they are showing - friend zone to respect Eric's memory? Just thoughts with episode coming up.

by jcrbil Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:18 pm

I'm not sure he did kiss her (or she him). They have shown a lot about how interesting he is, but not a lot about chemistry. Eric certainly was passionate about all the experiences he had in life, but I think that unless he showed or thought he could be equally passionate about Andi (and she about him) I don't think he could have stayed.

They may show him questioning her sincerity (and I think we all know that the lead sometimes has to force that a bit to get enough guys to stay to the end), and she reacts. How much of the whole thing was a set up, who knows? Probably quite a bit.

by SLA44 Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:24 pm

Catdwoman50 wrote:^^jcrbil ITA on your ITA. But question on your second point. I understand not showing respect but isn't it manipulative too if what is shown re Eric is toned down? Wonder if Andi has kissed him on their date and they are showing - friend zone to respect Eric's memory? Just thoughts with episode coming up.

I too was thinking they editing out a lot of things that happened on that date. The remark he made to her about thinking they had a good date tells me it was more than just in the friend zone as they aired.

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