Andi Dorfman and Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - Media - Twitter - General Discussion Thread

[GuardianAngel]

This thread will remain locked until West Coast viewing of the ATFR, at which time, all media related to Andi and her F1 can be posted here.

[GuardianAngel]

Moved from the Fan Thread

did anyone see the us weekly article with nick hoping to be friend with josh again? yea good luck with that buddy

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/nick-viall-wishes-bachelorette-andi-dorfman-josh-murray-happiness-2014297

[Admin]

Moved from the Fan thread.

Despite the fake drama orchestrated by TPTB, ratings still sucked compared to Des's finale. Serves TPTB right!!!!

http://m.deadline.com/2014/07/ratings-rat-race-the-bachelorette-finale-down-from-last-year-bear-grylls-on-par-in-return/

[Guest]

apologies if i'm posting this in the wrong thread. i'm not sure where the regular media thread went.

Nick Viall interview: I only revealed I had sex with 'The Bachelorette' star Andi Dorfman because she was so cold

   
By Elizabeth Kwiatkowski, 07/29/2014

Nick Viall has been both praised and criticized for calling Andi Dorfman out on unflattering, personal details during Monday night's The Bachelorette: After the Final Rose special.

Andi had dumped Nick, the tenth season's runner-up, for fellow bachelor Josh Murray. Andi shockingly revealed she had never loved Nick even though it took her until the morning of her engagement proposal to decide which man was the right person for her. However, a confused and devastated Nick called Andi out for having "made love" to him in the fantasy suite.

Nick has expressed he's still not completely over his "great love" in Dorfman yet is hopefully on the road to mending his broken heart and moving on. Meanwhile, Dorfman has acknowledged she's never been happier in her life.
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During a Tuesday conference call with reporters, Nick, a 33-year-old software sales executive from Chicago, IL, talked to Reality TV World about his The Bachelorette experience. Below is what he had to say. Check back with us soon for more from his interview.

Reality TV World: Were you shocked to learn Andi never loved you at all? And do you think she was just saying that as to not hurt Josh's feelings? Because obviously Andi made you feel extremely confident in the idea that she loved you in return.

Nick Viall: I don't know if I was surprised by her answer. I didn't know if that would be asked. I guess what I was more surprised about is probably -- like what you said -- how she said it, and I think I was more taken aback by how cold she seemed even from when she first came out.

I was more surprised about that. I mean, in terms of she certainly made me feel that way. And I think when it was aired, when she ended things in the relationship, I was very surprised and shocked.

One thing I said to her was, "There was that moment when I told her I loved her in the ocean and her initial response was to throw her head back in frustration and say, 'I wish I could say things back.'" And I mentioned that to her and she nodded her head "yes" like she remembers that moment. It was just like, "I know you're not suppose to assume," but.

So that was very surprising. She certainly made me feel very much -- when it was all happening -- that she did feel that way about me. So it wasn't necessarily her answer, because again, she's in a very serious relationship with Josh and basically she wants to respect that, but I was surprised just how cold it came across.

Reality TV World: How do you respond to all the backlash out there on social media in regards to people saying you just wanted to humiliate Andi by revealing you two had sex and that it was an ungentlemanly move? Do you regret disclosing that information now or are you just kind of thinking, "Well that's her fault because had she met with me before the live show, I could've gotten that off my chest in private...?"

Nick Viall: Yeah, you know, I mean, I definitely wish I would've had that opportunity in private to have that conversation. It was certainly nothing -- I did not go into last night in any way expecting that to come up or ask her. And again, I think I was just so caught off-guard by her demeanor, and in that answer -- and, again, that kind of lack of empathy -- that it was so...

And to me, again, it wasn't necessarily about the sex but just the level of intimacy about that night. And given the situation and the time, we both knew she couldn't say things back. But I made it very clear to her where I was in my feelings for her and what something like that meant to me. And as I said last night, I had no expectations about that night.

Again, I think I was just more surprised by what seemed to be a very cavalier about that. And I think I was so caught off-guard that it just kind of came out. And certainly, the only thing -- if I have regrets -- is that I didn't want in any way to humiliate her or make her feel that way.

I feel very sorry if she did feel that way, and that makes me sad, but it is a conversation that I wanted to have and it's a question that I think, as a couple -- you know, when people break up, those are questions that people want to know.

When a certain level of intimacy is shared and it seems so meaningful, and then is almost treated like it isn't by the other person, that's something that I think two people would discuss. And unfortunately, that was my only opportunity to do that, but it was certainly nothing that I went in -- in a million years -- had planned to talk about. But I think I was just caught so off-guard.

Reality TV World: How did your family react once you got home? Did their opinion change of Andi after you told them everything that happened or after they watched last night's After the Final Rose special?

Nick Viall: I'm not actually going to comment specifically on some of the conversations my family had. I think they were incredibly shocked both about how things ended and some of the things that I told them.

I think they were very surprised. I don't think they have any negative opinions about Andi as a person, but I think they were surprised and taken aback by, again, some of the things that happened between us and how things ended.

Reality TV World: I know you said you hadn't gone into After the Final Rose expecting to reveal that you and Andi had slept together. And last night, Nikki Ferrell from Juan Pablo Galavis' season of The Bachelor accused The Bachelorette producers of putting you up to that via Twitter. I just want to give you a chance to respond directly to her accusation against the producers.

Nick Viall: Yeah, that's 100% false. They had nothing to do with it. They were, I guess, just as surprised as anyone else -- as much as I was surprised. So, no. I mean, not to try to protect them or anything like that, but I take sole responsibility for what I said whether it was a good idea or not. In some ways, I wish, you know, it's a tough position, right?

Because I probably never would've gotten an opportunity to ask a question that was weighing on me so heavily even though I didn't expect it. I think that's why it just came out, because I was so -- I think had she maybe seemed a part more empathetic and compassionate, I think that maybe would've been what I needed and maybe a sign that, above all of it, she was compassionate and understood how I felt.

And I think, again, that's why I was so taken aback by how cold she seemed and there was no empathy. I was just so, like, shocked thinking. And when she made that comment about not ever loving me -- and it sounded like she wasn't even close -- it was just like, "Whoa!" And I think it just kind of poured out.

Reality TV World: Do you think Andi was being genuine through her "cold" behavior or do you think she was just trying to keep her guard up with you, like maintain that wall between you?

Nick Viall: I don't know. I don't know. I was just very surprised by that. I really don't know. It has been two-and-a-half months, she's in a serious relationship with Josh, she's engaged, it's a cold situation for her and myself and Josh -- I don't know. I was just surprised.
Read more at http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/nick-viall-interview-i-only-revealed-i-had-sex-with-the-bachelorette-star-andi-dorfman-because-she-was-so-cold-16568.php#E0UFMwqm689urhbE.99

[GuardianAngel]

This is the correct thread. There is a separate FAN thread in the Fan thread category for Andi and Josh.

[Cari]

Hello, everyone!

Will the SeanCat fans ever forget how Chris Harrison was so mean to Catherine during Sean's season? (His blogs & during WTN. Sheesh    ) From then on, I unfollowed him on twitter! Now during Andi's season, when his blog compared Nick V and Josh M, his tenor towards Josh M eerily reminded me of his subtle digs to Cat. I was unspoiled so I took this as a sorta clue that perhaps Josh is F1. Guess what? Read this interview by Robyn Ross and you'll shake your head because almost always Chris H sings "praises" on the Final Couple.   

Shouldn't we know by now that it is Chris H's MO to cast doubt on the F1 with his blogs?

RT @RobynRossTVG: #TheBachelorette’s @ChrisBHarrison: @AndiDorfman & @JMurBulldog act like they’ve been together for 10 years already http://www.tvguide.com/News/Bachelorette-Harrison-Andi-Josh-1085065.aspx


an excerpt from the interview:

So, any advice for them and do you think they'll make it?

Harrison: I think luckily the first five hurdles are cleared. They are already sneaking to each other's houses, their families I think have already connected, honestly, they're over a lot of the crazy hurdles you have to get over, like, "Where do we move, will our families like each other?" So I fully expect them to continue to grow and continue to love each other. I haven't talked to Josh a whole lot off-camera, I've talked to Andi a lot more and we text a lot and she couldn't be happier. It reminds me of Sean and Catherine where it doesn't look new and forced. When you're with Josh and Andi you really feel like you're with a couple who's been together for 10 years already.

Oh, Chris Harrison, you're such a company tool!   

[luvstx]

I just watched the TV guide video and it's hard to argue that andi and josh aren't a great match. They are clearly comfortable around each other and balance each other nicely. It was heartwarming to watch after all of the negativity that I have read here in the past couple of says.

[Spencer81]

I knew it was Josh all the way.. so I was surprised that she slept with Nick. She called Josh babe all the time, when he gave her the roses at his hometown. So even after all that, she still slept with Nick. That's what I can't wrap my mind around. I think Nick feels the same, if she knew why did she sleep with him! This is the only thread I think I can safely say this stuff. I am happy for Josh and hope it works out for him! Wish Andi would have told Nick that she just got caught up in the moment and drank too much!

[Lucas15]

This article showed up in my news feed this morning and I found it very interesting: Today Entertainment

The rap on this season’s “Bachelorette,” starring Atlanta lawyer Andi Dorfman, was that it just wasn’t very interesting. Andi, who famously rejected narcissistic Juan Pablo on “The Bachelor,” was initially a fan favorite, but perhaps because she’s just so darn well-adjusted, her show lacked much of the drama that has characterized past outings. Level-headed, articulate, self-sufficient and self-aware, Andi’s not a clinger, a weeper, or an emotional train wreck.

Andi Dorfman's "Bachelorette" season was pretty straightforward -- until runner-up Nick Viall decided to get personal on Monday night's show.

Alas, it was the case of a good person making for terrible TV. The season finale was the lowest-rated in the franchise’s history, perhaps because the ending was such a foregone conclusion.

Boredom reigned until Monday night, when the “After the Final Rose” show threw a bunch of double standards about sex and gender into sharp relief, turning “The Bachelorette” from “wake me up when it’s over” to Must See TV.

For those unfamiliar with “The Bachelorette,” the franchise runs on a highly ritualized process, where a young, conventionally attractive man or woman goes on a series of producer-orchestrated dates with a pool of eligible singles, eliminating some each week at cheesy rose ceremonies. The goal? To have the last man down on bended knee with a network-provided Neil Lane ring in his hand (even on “The Bachelorette,” where the woman does the picking, it’s the man who does the proposing).

“The Bachelor/ette” tells us it’s about finding love, but one of the things it’s really about is reinforcing some fairly old-school notions about how men and women are.

For women, the show instructs, there is nothing more meaningful than love or marriage. Career? Friends? Family? None of it means anything, and at least once per episode our heroine will be required to give voice to her loneliness, her emptiness, her desperation to have someone put a ring on it.

Women are passive; men are active. Women are emotional, men are rational. Women see sex as a means to the ultimate end – that Neil Lane sparkler, and what happens when the cameras aren’t watching stays, for the most part, under wraps.

That rule got broken on Monday, when runner-up Nick Viall demanded, on live TV, to know why, if she wasn’t in love with him, she’d made love with him, and also done other, unspecified, “fiancé-type stuff.”

Cue 100,000 dropped jaws, tweets of 'He said WHAT?!?,' and many, many jokes about precisely what constituted “fiancé-type stuff.” (Clearly: emptying the dishwasher!)

It was shocking, cringe-inducing TV, kissing-and-telling gone nuclear.

Here’s the thing: there may be, as Chris Rock once instructed, no sex in the Champagne Room, but there assuredly IS sex in the Fantasy Suite, where the Bachelor or Bachelorette is permitted — nay, encouraged — to entertain his or her final three choices all night long, away from the cameras. In 2014, where the median age of first sex is somewhere around 17, and where between 75 and 80 percent of Americans have had intercourse before the age of 19, it’s ridiculous to imagine that a 27-year-old woman would agree to marry a 33-year-old man without sampling the merchandise/kicking the tires/making sure she is sexually compatible with the person she might wed.

So, yes, Nick, we know you did it. But, clearly, knowing that we know wasn’t enough. Nick wanted to plant his flag (and, maybe, to let victor Josh Murray know that Andi may not have chosen Nick, but that he got there first). It was churlish and ungentlemanly at best, slut-shaming and sloppy-seconding at worst, a way of slapping a scarlet 'S' on a woman’s chest with the whole world — including her newly announced fiancé and, presumably, her parents — looking on.

Andi handled the situation with her typical class and restraint. She told Nick he was “hitting below the belt.” She reiterated that she wasn’t faking anything, but her feelings were simply stronger for Josh. She sounded … a lot like a guy would sound in a similar situation, if he was forced to confront a teary woman he’d slept with, then dumped, after deciding he just wasn’t that into her.

Imagine a world where Andi could have coolly said, ‘Of course I slept with you! Before I let you propose, I had to know whether you were any good at it!” (Beat). “By the way, you’re not.”

We aren’t there yet…but it sure looks like that’s where we’re going. Hookup culture is a thing, and some — many — young woman are joyful, unconflicted participants in the booty-call economy. Yes, a part of me wishes that sex was special and rare and meaningful, even on a cheesy ratings-driven reality show where “winning” is less about a marriage and more about a future stint on “Dancing With the Stars.”

But I don’t have any right to tell Andi Dorfman how to live her life, or handle her sex life. If equality means that a young woman can choose to enjoy casual, unencumbered sex, just the way men have been doing forever, I’m not going to judge. And if Nick truly cared for Andi, he should have manned up, swallowed his sore-loser hurt feelings, and refused to expose her to the world’s judgment.

Jennifer Weiner is the bestselling author of 11 books. Her latest, "All Fall Down," was published June 17.

[isittrue]

Well TPTB got what they wanted from all of this - another controversial season

[Kashathediva]

This article showed up in my news feed this morning and I found it very interesting: Today Entertainment

The rap on this season’s “Bachelorette,” starring Atlanta lawyer Andi Dorfman, was that it just wasn’t very interesting. Andi, who famously rejected narcissistic Juan Pablo on “The Bachelor,” was initially a fan favorite, but perhaps because she’s just so darn well-adjusted, her show lacked much of the drama that has characterized past outings. Level-headed, articulate, self-sufficient and self-aware, Andi’s not a clinger, a weeper, or an emotional train wreck.

Andi Dorfman's "Bachelorette" season was pretty straightforward -- until runner-up Nick Viall decided to get personal on Monday night's show.

Alas, it was the case of a good person making for terrible TV. The season finale was the lowest-rated in the franchise’s history, perhaps because the ending was such a foregone conclusion.

Boredom reigned until Monday night, when the “After the Final Rose” show threw a bunch of double standards about sex and gender into sharp relief, turning “The Bachelorette” from “wake me up when it’s over” to Must See TV.

For those unfamiliar with “The Bachelorette,” the franchise runs on a highly ritualized process, where a young, conventionally attractive man or woman goes on a series of producer-orchestrated dates with a pool of eligible singles, eliminating some each week at cheesy rose ceremonies. The goal? To have the last man down on bended knee with a network-provided Neil Lane ring in his hand (even on “The Bachelorette,” where the woman does the picking, it’s the man who does the proposing).

“The Bachelor/ette” tells us it’s about finding love, but one of the things it’s really about is reinforcing some fairly old-school notions about how men and women are.

For women, the show instructs, there is nothing more meaningful than love or marriage. Career? Friends? Family? None of it means anything, and at least once per episode our heroine will be required to give voice to her loneliness, her emptiness, her desperation to have someone put a ring on it.

Women are passive; men are active. Women are emotional, men are rational. Women see sex as a means to the ultimate end – that Neil Lane sparkler, and what happens when the cameras aren’t watching stays, for the most part, under wraps.

That rule got broken on Monday, when runner-up Nick Viall demanded, on live TV, to know why, if she wasn’t in love with him, she’d made love with him, and also done other, unspecified, “fiancé-type stuff.”

Cue 100,000 dropped jaws, tweets of 'He said WHAT?!?,' and many, many jokes about precisely what constituted “fiancé-type stuff.” (Clearly: emptying the dishwasher!)

It was shocking, cringe-inducing TV, kissing-and-telling gone nuclear.

Here’s the thing: there may be, as Chris Rock once instructed, no sex in the Champagne Room, but there assuredly IS sex in the Fantasy Suite, where the Bachelor or Bachelorette is permitted — nay, encouraged — to entertain his or her final three choices all night long, away from the cameras. In 2014, where the median age of first sex is somewhere around 17, and where between 75 and 80 percent of Americans have had intercourse before the age of 19, it’s ridiculous to imagine that a 27-year-old woman would agree to marry a 33-year-old man without sampling the merchandise/kicking the tires/making sure she is sexually compatible with the person she might wed.

So, yes, Nick, we know you did it. But, clearly, knowing that we know wasn’t enough. Nick wanted to plant his flag (and, maybe, to let victor Josh Murray know that Andi may not have chosen Nick, but that he got there first). It was churlish and ungentlemanly at best, slut-shaming and sloppy-seconding at worst, a way of slapping a scarlet 'S' on a woman’s chest with the whole world — including her newly announced fiancé and, presumably, her parents — looking on.

Andi handled the situation with her typical class and restraint. She told Nick he was “hitting below the belt.” She reiterated that she wasn’t faking anything, but her feelings were simply stronger for Josh. She sounded … a lot like a guy would sound in a similar situation, if he was forced to confront a teary woman he’d slept with, then dumped, after deciding he just wasn’t that into her.

Imagine a world where Andi could have coolly said, ‘Of course I slept with you! Before I let you propose, I had to know whether you were any good at it!” (Beat). “By the way, you’re not.”

We aren’t there yet…but it sure looks like that’s where we’re going. Hookup culture is a thing, and some — many — young woman are joyful, unconflicted participants in the booty-call economy. Yes, a part of me wishes that sex was special and rare and meaningful, even on a cheesy ratings-driven reality show where “winning” is less about a marriage and more about a future stint on “Dancing With the Stars.”

But I don’t have any right to tell Andi Dorfman how to live her life, or handle her sex life. If equality means that a young woman can choose to enjoy casual, unencumbered sex, just the way men have been doing forever, I’m not going to judge. And if Nick truly cared for Andi, he should have manned up, swallowed his sore-loser hurt feelings, and refused to expose her to the world’s judgment.

Jennifer Weiner is the bestselling author of 11 books. Her latest, "All Fall Down," was published June 17.

I, personally, am enjoying these adult discussions! It certainly is something new after years of the same old stale discussions the franchise has thrown at us.
Thank you for bringing over Jennifer's ideas. Her books can be entertaining.

[Iam4UGA]

This article showed up in my news feed this morning and I found it very interesting: Today Entertainment

The rap on this season’s “Bachelorette,” starring Atlanta lawyer Andi Dorfman, was that it just wasn’t very interesting. Andi, who famously rejected narcissistic Juan Pablo on “The Bachelor,” was initially a fan favorite, but perhaps because she’s just so darn well-adjusted, her show lacked much of the drama that has characterized past outings. Level-headed, articulate, self-sufficient and self-aware, Andi’s not a clinger, a weeper, or an emotional train wreck.

Andi Dorfman's "Bachelorette" season was pretty straightforward -- until runner-up Nick Viall decided to get personal on Monday night's show.

Alas, it was the case of a good person making for terrible TV. The season finale was the lowest-rated in the franchise’s history, perhaps because the ending was such a foregone conclusion.

Boredom reigned until Monday night, when the “After the Final Rose” show threw a bunch of double standards about sex and gender into sharp relief, turning “The Bachelorette” from “wake me up when it’s over” to Must See TV.

For those unfamiliar with “The Bachelorette,” the franchise runs on a highly ritualized process, where a young, conventionally attractive man or woman goes on a series of producer-orchestrated dates with a pool of eligible singles, eliminating some each week at cheesy rose ceremonies. The goal? To have the last man down on bended knee with a network-provided Neil Lane ring in his hand (even on “The Bachelorette,” where the woman does the picking, it’s the man who does the proposing).

“The Bachelor/ette” tells us it’s about finding love, but one of the things it’s really about is reinforcing some fairly old-school notions about how men and women are.

For women, the show instructs, there is nothing more meaningful than love or marriage. Career? Friends? Family? None of it means anything, and at least once per episode our heroine will be required to give voice to her loneliness, her emptiness, her desperation to have someone put a ring on it.

Women are passive; men are active. Women are emotional, men are rational. Women see sex as a means to the ultimate end – that Neil Lane sparkler, and what happens when the cameras aren’t watching stays, for the most part, under wraps.

That rule got broken on Monday, when runner-up Nick Viall demanded, on live TV, to know why, if she wasn’t in love with him, she’d made love with him, and also done other, unspecified, “fiancé-type stuff.”

Cue 100,000 dropped jaws, tweets of 'He said WHAT?!?,' and many, many jokes about precisely what constituted “fiancé-type stuff.” (Clearly: emptying the dishwasher!)

It was shocking, cringe-inducing TV, kissing-and-telling gone nuclear.

Here’s the thing: there may be, as Chris Rock once instructed, no sex in the Champagne Room, but there assuredly IS sex in the Fantasy Suite, where the Bachelor or Bachelorette is permitted — nay, encouraged — to entertain his or her final three choices all night long, away from the cameras. In 2014, where the median age of first sex is somewhere around 17, and where between 75 and 80 percent of Americans have had intercourse before the age of 19, it’s ridiculous to imagine that a 27-year-old woman would agree to marry a 33-year-old man without sampling the merchandise/kicking the tires/making sure she is sexually compatible with the person she might wed.

So, yes, Nick, we know you did it. But, clearly, knowing that we know wasn’t enough. Nick wanted to plant his flag (and, maybe, to let victor Josh Murray know that Andi may not have chosen Nick, but that he got there first). It was churlish and ungentlemanly at best, slut-shaming and sloppy-seconding at worst, a way of slapping a scarlet 'S' on a woman’s chest with the whole world — including her newly announced fiancé and, presumably, her parents — looking on.

Andi handled the situation with her typical class and restraint. She told Nick he was “hitting below the belt.” She reiterated that she wasn’t faking anything, but her feelings were simply stronger for Josh. She sounded … a lot like a guy would sound in a similar situation, if he was forced to confront a teary woman he’d slept with, then dumped, after deciding he just wasn’t that into her.

Imagine a world where Andi could have coolly said, ‘Of course I slept with you! Before I let you propose, I had to know whether you were any good at it!” (Beat). “By the way, you’re not.”

We aren’t there yet…but it sure looks like that’s where we’re going. Hookup culture is a thing, and some — many — young woman are joyful, unconflicted participants in the booty-call economy. Yes, a part of me wishes that sex was special and rare and meaningful, even on a cheesy ratings-driven reality show where “winning” is less about a marriage and more about a future stint on “Dancing With the Stars.”

But I don’t have any right to tell Andi Dorfman how to live her life, or handle her sex life. If equality means that a young woman can choose to enjoy casual, unencumbered sex, just the way men have been doing forever, I’m not going to judge. And if Nick truly cared for Andi, he should have manned up, swallowed his sore-loser hurt feelings, and refused to expose her to the world’s judgment.

Jennifer Weiner is the bestselling author of 11 books. Her latest, "All Fall Down," was published June 17.

I would have loved to see her say this!!   

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