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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by Guest Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:55 pm
yeah, the reveal of the secret admirer is going to be pretty lame when he sent her one letter that most viewers probably don't even remember now that there's been the Eric situation, her date with Josh, ramped up drama with Nick and Marquel stealing the show last night. What secret admirer who? Not a great way to build up Chris. Just let us see the guy and let his real nature shine through, like they did with Marquel last night and people will either love him or they won't. I'm getting do frustrated by the lack of Chris because I wanted to like him and really started to on their date, and then to quote Andi my relationship with him "stalled". I don't know it's going to get going again unless they give me something soon.
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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by MVMom39forever Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:20 pm
JBF wrote:Max64 wrote:Well I finally got up to speed on the episodes, and I do find Chris' edit intriguing! They never show him with any interaction with Andi. When the guys greet her, we see her hugging other guys, but not him, and the same during rose ceremonies. I wish we would have seen all of their conversation when she was trying to pump him for information. That scene was pretty chopped up, and he didn't look comfortable talking about it and she was trying hard, even laying the guilt on with "I would expect my husband to tell me everything" I don't think he really told her anything other than there is some drama going on.
This season is driving some of us bonkers... BONKERS! Especially the scenes with "Find Waldo" (a.k.a. Chris). This list needs updated with episode #5 still, but...
- Read for your own amusement:
“Easter Eggs” are my pet name for those quirky little curios in the edit that may or may not “foreshadow” the ending of this season. After all, these may not be Easter Eggs, but hand grenades painted white that will go “Kaboom!” in my face if I “assume” too much.
Regardless, they keep me amused.
1.) The initial seasonal promo put out by abc.com, not the one shown in episode #1 (post spoilers), has her kissing Marcus as she says “There are things that I felt I never even knew...”, then fades to Iowa and Chris “... were possible”.
2.) As Andi gets into her limo “Some guy is going to get out of the limo and that can be my husband. My heart is just pounding. This is the beginning…” The very next shot is a limo in the dark followed by Chris’ face (then Nick) as other guys are talking.
3.) Mister Harrison: What are you so nervous about?
Andi: The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy.
Harrison: It is crazy to think.
Andi: I know.
Marcus takes under ten minutes to “wow” her, so Chris can follow him as #2 guy out, right on schedule. According to the abc.net time stamps, Chris is first out of limos. He’s the only one of the “spoiled” top four making the 15 minute cut in “real” time. Marcus was #13.
4.) Andi says to the guys: “this is not my normal life” (a.k.a. being TV’s Bachelorette). Cue shot of Chris. Also her “I think I can find my husband in here” straddles over Chris, Steven, Carl and Cody seated together, although the editors are smooth to keep the H-word restricted to Andi shown speaking.
5.) Andi refuses to meet Chris Bukowski, probably because she already has the Chris she wants… in addition to two Nicks, two Joshes, a Marcus and a Marquel. In a peculiar bit of editing, when Chris is told “I got to talk to Chris” (i.e Harrison), the security guard’s badges are zoomed on by the cameraman… and sporting the number “1” and “America One”. Then… in case we didn’t catch it the first time… Bukowski asks “Can I talk to Chris?”, the badge is blown up in size so the number 1 is bigger.
6.) Andi to Emil: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
7.) Within a few seconds of that statement, she says “There are great guys here. How do you, like, just pick one during the cocktail hour?”… followed by her sitdown with Chris.
8.) Before giving Nick his first impression rose, her line "great first impression of" is spoken over Chris, not Nick. Chris is then cut from the screen as the guys next to him comment on the situation... as if Nick getting the rose will only hurt their chances.
9.) At the rose ceremony, Andi says over a group of Chris (and Brian, Marquel and some dumpees): “finding love here”. Shortly before this, Chris Harrison says over Marcus, Eric, JJ and Bradley “If you don’t hear your name”… and over Josh “you will be going home immediately.”
10.) In the 2nd episode (getting ready for Eric’s date), Andi says: "One of these men can be my husband", followed by Chris as the first guy talking at the mansion, saying “I can’t believe this is happening”.
11.) When addressing the guys, Mister Harrison says: “she might become your wife…” as the camera stops at Brett, Craig and a slightly hidden Chris seated.
12.) Something about this line sounds rather… celestial. Eric’s date card is “Love is everywhere”. He says in the mansion “Love can be found everywhere. If I didn’t think love could be found here, I wouldn’t be here.”
13.) When Tasos reads the group date card, he says "last one" just before the camera stops at Chris (with Andrew and Marquel next to him). Then the camera pans back to Tasos and then Dylan (last one on that date card) as read by Tasos.
14.) Andi: “I know very little about Chris. I know Chris lives in Iowa. He’s a farmer. I’m definitely a city girl, but if that’s what farmers look like, I need to move to the country.” Despite the total lack of chemistry everybody on this forum claims, she adds later “I’m hoping that Chris is that gentleman that knows how to treat a lady because… (pause for a slight smirk) … I need it right now.” Followed by a trumpet outburst.
15.) Chris is focused on over Andi’s “Maybe all I have to do is bet on the right horse…” After being told by the older couple “Looks like you two both picked winners”, Andi responds “I think I picked a winner”. Chris: “I’m definitely a winner right now, To be here, I won.”
16.) Pro-Josh tidbit to toss here in case he happens to get heartbroken: The couple met at a baseball field and have been married for 55 years.
17.) Morbid and tasteless egg yoke: Nick S. says “besides the three guys who have a rose” over just Chris. Eric is shown next with his rose, over the word “everybody” (and he gets this pronoun twice this episode), but Marcus is nowhere in sight despite also having a rose. Then Josh and Craig get “on the chopping block”. Nick then ends with “so to get time with Andi tonight is do or die”.
18.) Episode #3: when reading the date card, Marquel says “Last but not least, gentlemen” as the camera zooms on Chris. He then reads Marcus’ name over Dylan (who was last named the previous week) and then Marcus is shown. (See above Easter Egg when Tasos read the date card.)
19.) Andi is informed by one of the Boys II Men troop: "When you are singing it, you gotta find the guy that you are focusing on. Yeah… you can do the sexy eyes. Just look at him, like.."
Andi: "I’ll make love to you?"
"I’ll make luuuuv to you."
Andi to the cameras (not to any guy on that group date):" I’ll close my eyes. I’ll make a wish. I’m gonna concentrate on YOU. Tonight is your night."
20.) Boys II Men comment on that date Chris didn’t attend: “If this is any indication of who she’s gonna choose, you won’t have one on this show. She should just leave by herself.”
21.) Obviously “foreshadow” edits:
Chris says of Ron “We are all really concerned for him and hoping everything’s OK.”
Ron says, before he leaves for his deceased friend, “I just wanted to say my goodbye” to… a surprised Eric.
When Ron hugs Chris, Dylan voice-overs: “There was a death of one of his friends.” (a.k.a. Ron’s friend and Chris’ friend in the future).
Later this same episode, Dylan (again) discusses the deaths in his family with Chris. The line of “It was just the call I never wanted to hear” is spotlighted over Chris listening, followed by his description of his brother lingering for a while “brain dead”.
22.) Andi says at cocktail hour: “Whether it is 25 guys or 1 guy here, like, I genuinely care...” (camera then pans on Chris solo) “about each and every one of y’all”.
23.) Chris is on the losing basketball team in episode #4. Andi voice-overs that is “heartbreaking” that they lost over a key Chris/Andi hug shot. Earlier he misjudges “We are not going to lose this game. We are going to win and play our hearts out”, followed by a quick shot of Andi calling “get it, Chris”.
24.) Josh: “I hate losing and the fact that ‘we’ lost and I won’t be able to see Andi just makes it worse”. Edit cut to Chris. Edit cut back to Josh as somebody sighs, “I’m not a sore loser but…”
25.) Not an Easter Egg, but one completely depraved reference to an old movie every reality TV editor has watched in their training: The name Rosebud… for the winning team… was both the first line spoken (by Orson Welles) and last (printed) line (on a burning sled) in Citizen Kane. William Randolph Hearst was furious at RKO studios for releasing a film about a newspaper tycoon that used his own private nickname for Marion Davies’ ____. (You folks can google the details.) Of course, they just had to show the Rosebuds shaking bottles in a shower with their backs turned to us and Josh looking flaccid by the bleachers. Alas… despite The Rosebuds’ victory… Orson’s Kane loses his Rosebud in the movie.
26.) When Andi and Marcus scale down the building, they discover the guys are watching them from the window (“That’s our room”). Marcus asks “should we kiss in front of them?” at the exact moment Chris is shown looking out the window. Her response is an instant “no”.
27.) At the 4th rose ceremony, Nick follows Josh (in episode #1) receiving Harrison’s line of “If you do not receive a rose, you will be going home immediately”, while Chris is solo-shown after Harrison completes his line of “Andi has proven that she’s made the sacrifice to be here for one reason and one reason only and that is to sincerely find the man of her dreams”
Wowza! Your Easter Egg basket is sure getting full. Makes you go hmmm... But I still think he is among top candidates for next Bachelor and as such they are looking for opportunities to feature him.
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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by JBF Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:31 pm
I am trying to be As Fair As Possible and convince myself that the Easter Eggs are really hand grenades painted in white... kaboom!
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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by Guest Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:08 pm
JBF wrote:Max64 wrote:Well I finally got up to speed on the episodes, and I do find Chris' edit intriguing! They never show him with any interaction with Andi. When the guys greet her, we see her hugging other guys, but not him, and the same during rose ceremonies. I wish we would have seen all of their conversation when she was trying to pump him for information. That scene was pretty chopped up, and he didn't look comfortable talking about it and she was trying hard, even laying the guilt on with "I would expect my husband to tell me everything" I don't think he really told her anything other than there is some drama going on.
This season is driving some of us bonkers... BONKERS! Especially the scenes with "Find Waldo" (a.k.a. Chris). This list needs updated with episode #5 still, but...
- Read for your own amusement:
“Easter Eggs” are my pet name for those quirky little curios in the edit that may or may not “foreshadow” the ending of this season. After all, these may not be Easter Eggs, but hand grenades painted white that will go “Kaboom!” in my face if I “assume” too much.
Regardless, they keep me amused.
1.) The initial seasonal promo put out by abc.com, not the one shown in episode #1 (post spoilers), has her kissing Marcus as she says “There are things that I felt I never even knew...”, then fades to Iowa and Chris “... were possible”.
2.) As Andi gets into her limo “Some guy is going to get out of the limo and that can be my husband. My heart is just pounding. This is the beginning…” The very next shot is a limo in the dark followed by Chris’ face (then Nick) as other guys are talking.
3.) Mister Harrison: What are you so nervous about?
Andi: The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy.
Harrison: It is crazy to think.
Andi: I know.
Marcus takes under ten minutes to “wow” her, so Chris can follow him as #2 guy out, right on schedule. According to the abc.net time stamps, Chris is first out of limos. He’s the only one of the “spoiled” top four making the 15 minute cut in “real” time. Marcus was #13.
4.) Andi says to the guys: “this is not my normal life” (a.k.a. being TV’s Bachelorette). Cue shot of Chris. Also her “I think I can find my husband in here” straddles over Chris, Steven, Carl and Cody seated together, although the editors are smooth to keep the H-word restricted to Andi shown speaking.
5.) Andi refuses to meet Chris Bukowski, probably because she already has the Chris she wants… in addition to two Nicks, two Joshes, a Marcus and a Marquel. In a peculiar bit of editing, when Chris is told “I got to talk to Chris” (i.e Harrison), the security guard’s badges are zoomed on by the cameraman… and sporting the number “1” and “America One”. Then… in case we didn’t catch it the first time… Bukowski asks “Can I talk to Chris?”, the badge is blown up in size so the number 1 is bigger.
6.) Andi to Emil: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
7.) Within a few seconds of that statement, she says “There are great guys here. How do you, like, just pick one during the cocktail hour?”… followed by her sitdown with Chris.
8.) Before giving Nick his first impression rose, her line "great first impression of" is spoken over Chris, not Nick. Chris is then cut from the screen as the guys next to him comment on the situation... as if Nick getting the rose will only hurt their chances.
9.) At the rose ceremony, Andi says over a group of Chris (and Brian, Marquel and some dumpees): “finding love here”. Shortly before this, Chris Harrison says over Marcus, Eric, JJ and Bradley “If you don’t hear your name”… and over Josh “you will be going home immediately.”
10.) In the 2nd episode (getting ready for Eric’s date), Andi says: "One of these men can be my husband", followed by Chris as the first guy talking at the mansion, saying “I can’t believe this is happening”.
11.) When addressing the guys, Mister Harrison says: “she might become your wife…” as the camera stops at Brett, Craig and a slightly hidden Chris seated.
12.) Something about this line sounds rather… celestial. Eric’s date card is “Love is everywhere”. He says in the mansion “Love can be found everywhere. If I didn’t think love could be found here, I wouldn’t be here.”
13.) When Tasos reads the group date card, he says "last one" just before the camera stops at Chris (with Andrew and Marquel next to him). Then the camera pans back to Tasos and then Dylan (last one on that date card) as read by Tasos.
14.) Andi: “I know very little about Chris. I know Chris lives in Iowa. He’s a farmer. I’m definitely a city girl, but if that’s what farmers look like, I need to move to the country.” Despite the total lack of chemistry everybody on this forum claims, she adds later “I’m hoping that Chris is that gentleman that knows how to treat a lady because… (pause for a slight smirk) … I need it right now.” Followed by a trumpet outburst.
15.) Chris is focused on over Andi’s “Maybe all I have to do is bet on the right horse…” After being told by the older couple “Looks like you two both picked winners”, Andi responds “I think I picked a winner”. Chris: “I’m definitely a winner right now, To be here, I won.”
16.) Pro-Josh tidbit to toss here in case he happens to get heartbroken: The couple met at a baseball field and have been married for 55 years.
17.) Morbid and tasteless egg yoke: Nick S. says “besides the three guys who have a rose” over just Chris. Eric is shown next with his rose, over the word “everybody” (and he gets this pronoun twice this episode), but Marcus is nowhere in sight despite also having a rose. Then Josh and Craig get “on the chopping block”. Nick then ends with “so to get time with Andi tonight is do or die”.
18.) Episode #3: when reading the date card, Marquel says “Last but not least, gentlemen” as the camera zooms on Chris. He then reads Marcus’ name over Dylan (who was last named the previous week) and then Marcus is shown. (See above Easter Egg when Tasos read the date card.)
19.) Andi is informed by one of the Boys II Men troop: "When you are singing it, you gotta find the guy that you are focusing on. Yeah… you can do the sexy eyes. Just look at him, like.."
Andi: "I’ll make love to you?"
"I’ll make luuuuv to you."
Andi to the cameras (not to any guy on that group date):" I’ll close my eyes. I’ll make a wish. I’m gonna concentrate on YOU. Tonight is your night."
20.) Boys II Men comment on that date Chris didn’t attend: “If this is any indication of who she’s gonna choose, you won’t have one on this show. She should just leave by herself.”
21.) Obviously “foreshadow” edits:
Chris says of Ron “We are all really concerned for him and hoping everything’s OK.”
Ron says, before he leaves for his deceased friend, “I just wanted to say my goodbye” to… a surprised Eric.
When Ron hugs Chris, Dylan voice-overs: “There was a death of one of his friends.” (a.k.a. Ron’s friend and Chris’ friend in the future).
Later this same episode, Dylan (again) discusses the deaths in his family with Chris. The line of “It was just the call I never wanted to hear” is spotlighted over Chris listening, followed by his description of his brother lingering for a while “brain dead”.
22.) Andi says at cocktail hour: “Whether it is 25 guys or 1 guy here, like, I genuinely care...” (camera then pans on Chris solo) “about each and every one of y’all”.
23.) Chris is on the losing basketball team in episode #4. Andi voice-overs that is “heartbreaking” that they lost over a key Chris/Andi hug shot. Earlier he misjudges “We are not going to lose this game. We are going to win and play our hearts out”, followed by a quick shot of Andi calling “get it, Chris”.
24.) Josh: “I hate losing and the fact that ‘we’ lost and I won’t be able to see Andi just makes it worse”. Edit cut to Chris. Edit cut back to Josh as somebody sighs, “I’m not a sore loser but…”
25.) Not an Easter Egg, but one completely depraved reference to an old movie every reality TV editor has watched in their training: The name Rosebud… for the winning team… was both the first line spoken (by Orson Welles) and last (printed) line (on a burning sled) in Citizen Kane. William Randolph Hearst was furious at RKO studios for releasing a film about a newspaper tycoon that used his own private nickname for Marion Davies’ ____. (You folks can google the details.) Of course, they just had to show the Rosebuds shaking bottles in a shower with their backs turned to us and Josh looking flaccid by the bleachers. Alas… despite The Rosebuds’ victory… Orson’s Kane loses his Rosebud in the movie.
26.) When Andi and Marcus scale down the building, they discover the guys are watching them from the window (“That’s our room”). Marcus asks “should we kiss in front of them?” at the exact moment Chris is shown looking out the window. Her response is an instant “no”.
27.) At the 4th rose ceremony, Nick follows Josh (in episode #1) receiving Harrison’s line of “If you do not receive a rose, you will be going home immediately”, while Chris is solo-shown after Harrison completes his line of “Andi has proven that she’s made the sacrifice to be here for one reason and one reason only and that is to sincerely find the man of her dreams”
LOL JBF, I read your detailed post before I even watched the episodes! Gave me something to look for! By the way thank you for that, I know it's very time consuming, I did some of that during Jillian's season with Reid, and never again
I just don't get why if Chris is the f3, why hide the guy? Typically we see more of the f3 and f2 in the beginning until f1 takes center stage.. And Nick in my opinion hasn't been edited favorably to be a contender for the next Bachelor, so they're limiting their "pool" of possibilities. I'm curious to see some interaction between Andi and Chris, anything, eye contact, hugs, etc. but they haven't shown anything. Chris was in the front walking with her on the Mime's group date and also in the front holding her head, shoulders, when they were all carrying her on that date. I don't know what to make of it. I thought Reid was f1 because he was hidden, and then I thought Brooks was f1 because it was so obvious... can't win!
Has there ever been a f3 guy so hidden?
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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by Rolly Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:23 pm
atem wrote:Chris is the one writing the letters. What I don't get is why the show deleted the 2nd letter? If he was F1 or the next lead, there has to be a storyline. The only reason why Juan Pablo became The Bachelor was due to the reaction after the MTA. So, I guess it's all about how it goes there. He's going to be the WTF F3 pick.
Atem, you don't think they have made up their mind yet about who is the next bachelor? Why is it RS says he knows who it is? Oh yeah, I forgot, RS thinks he knows everything!
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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by Sprite Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:40 am
IowaBorn&Raised wrote:
Hmmm... Reality Steve said Cody gets accused of having a girlfriend back home. Perhaps that's what Chris doesn't want to tell Andi. Explains why she's so teary-eyed telling someone she can't keep them for another week. And why Reality Steve has said Cody does not get a rose after his 1:1.
I don't remember who posed the question, but Chris definitely lives in Arlington. Even more so, he lives on an acreage in the country outside of Arlington. You might be surprised at the number of farmers around here who end up with "big city" girls.
The thing with Cody being accused of having a girlfriend was a joke Andi played on him several episodes ago...to make up for him telling her he was leaving to become a stripper.
I think he was a MOT guy that she thought was nice and feels bad for leading him on this long when she clearly has no interest in him. He is the perfect guy to dump on the date...hence the tears.
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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by 2observe Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:38 am
So who do you think will get the last 1 on 1 date? Will it go to the "Secret Admirer," (possibly Chris) or will it go to popular "Jock" that Andi has trouble trusting (Josh)??? 
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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:42 am
2observe wrote:So who do you think will get the last 1 on 1 date? Will it go to the "Secret Admirer," (possibly Chris) or will it go to popular "Jock" that Andi has trouble trusting (Josh)???
I'm going to say Chris
I guess I'm not willing to throw in the towel that Josh is the f1 yet. Leaving an open mind, especially after Des' season. Josh has been too in my face and as MVM stated in her very detailed description of Josh, his story just seems off.
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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by nutty1 Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:58 am
Why would you think RS was wrong about Josh's date? He is usually quite accurate with those.
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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by Guest Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:08 am
nutty1 wrote:Why would you think RS was wrong about Josh's date? He is usually quite accurate with those.
I don't know if there are SC's to prove who gets the dates, but something has to change for her to keep Chris around to F3. It doesn't make sense to me, that she would keep Chris over Marcus at this point? I'm just trying to keep an open mind this season, I would actually prefer Andi choosing Josh, I like Chris too much and would rather see him as the next Bachelor
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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by atem Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:15 am
Rolly wrote:atem wrote:Chris is the one writing the letters. What I don't get is why the show deleted the 2nd letter? If he was F1 or the next lead, there has to be a storyline. The only reason why Juan Pablo became The Bachelor was due to the reaction after the MTA. So, I guess it's all about how it goes there. He's going to be the WTF F3 pick.
Atem, you don't think they have made up their mind yet about who is the next bachelor? Why is it RS says he knows who it is? Oh yeah, I forgot, RS thinks he knows everything!
No, I don't think they picked one yet. I do think they have who they want to do it. It's about getting them to sign off being their puppet.
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Re: Chris Soules - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion
by pander3575 Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:17 am
Maybe she let's Marcus go as F4 because he has been all in early and she doesn't want to hurt him more later.Max64 wrote:nutty1 wrote:Why would you think RS was wrong about Josh's date? He is usually quite accurate with those.
I don't know if there are SC's to prove who gets the dates, but something has to change for her to keep Chris around to F3. It doesn't make sense to me, that she would keep Chris over Marcus at this point? I'm just trying to keep an open mind this season, I would actually prefer Andi choosing Josh, I like Chris too much and would rather see him as the next Bachelor
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