Episode 10 (Finale Part 1) - 7/29 - Bachelorette 9 - Discussion - Spoilers

LLiza wrote:I was startled when Des asked Chris and Drew if they'd ever been to the Caribbean before -- and she said that she had not either!!  The ladies I watched the episode with today said "what about St. Croix" on Sean's season??  Hmmmm....

northernviewer wrote:

bilolo wrote:do the Chris fans here want Des with him after watching last night's episode ?

In a word... NO.  I'm not a fan of his per se, but he's my favorite out of the last 3 guys.  This isn't about "winning" for me.  Des clearly fell for Brooks.. period.  She likes and admires Chris but she just doesn't have the kind of feelings for him that he has for her, so her choosing him at this point wouldn't be for the right reasons.  Then I'd call it leading him on.  Up to now, all of their interactions are part and parcel with doing the show, a necessary evil when you sign up for the show... but to choose him when she's in love with another man (that doesn't change in 1 week, not even on a show like this ) would cause so much hurt later, better to end it all now.  Even if she did end up dating Chris later, at least he'd never have to wonder if he was second choice, which is what he'd be now... especially after him watching the episode the other night  OUCH

murasaki1393 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

bilolo wrote:do the Chris fans here want Des with him after watching last night's episode ?

In a word... NO.  I'm not a fan of his per se, but he's my favorite out of the last 3 guys.  This isn't about "winning" for me.  Des clearly fell for Brooks.. period.  She likes and admires Chris but she just doesn't have the kind of feelings for him that he has for her, so her choosing him at this point wouldn't be for the right reasons.  Then I'd call it leading him on.  Up to now, all of their interactions are part and parcel with doing the show, a necessary evil when you sign up for the show... but to choose him when she's in love with another man (that doesn't change in 1 week, not even on a show like this ) would cause so much hurt later, better to end it all now.  Even if she did end up dating Chris later, at least he'd never have to wonder if he was second choice, which is what he'd be now... especially after him watching the episode the other night  OUCH

thanks NV...some of us Chris renegades actually think he is too good for Des  . I personally think he better get heartbroken in the end of this and then following Chris Lambton's footsteps in career and love department. But recent evidences pointing him as the F1...OTOH its too late it seems for him to run far away from Des and this franchise. So..as you can prolly tell.....we are so conflicted!!... . We sure dont want our precious boy being called as sloppy second, default F1 and other horrible descriptions  . He definitely doesnt deserved all of the craps. He does nothing wrong except being adorable, honest, genuine, expressive, protective and loving toward Des throughout the season.

LLiza wrote:

Swissmiss wrote:

luvstx wrote:And since this is still the FD episode thread, has it been brought up at all how unimpressive the fantasy suites really were?!?  Bad publicity for the Verandah in my opinion.  All the rooms were so small and didn't look luxurious at all.  Chris' outdoor space and hot tub were nice but the 'suite' that Drew had was bare bones.

I moved down there in 1998 to help set up a non profit. The Verandah is nice especially the grounds but is known as being a family friendly place more than a luxury resort. There are about four other resorts down there that would have been a better choice. I was kind of surprised. I never stayed there but did attend meetings. Nice but not exotic like usual.

Thanks, Swissmiss, for the info.  I am not surprised.  The very nicest resorts are most likely unwilling to close down so much of their facility just to film a TV game show.  The amount of turmoil it takes just to film the town scenes (and manufacture parades and concerts) is not welcome to those who either reside or vacation there.  I highly doubt that MF pays the resorts enough to cover closing down their rooms and property for several days.  Did you notice any people hanging around/vacationing in the scenes last night??  Looked like a ghost town to me!!  LOL

BarbB222 wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

bilolo wrote:do the Chris fans here want Des with him after watching last night's episode ?

In a word... NO.  I'm not a fan of his per se, but he's my favorite out of the last 3 guys.  This isn't about "winning" for me.  Des clearly fell for Brooks.. period.  She likes and admires Chris but she just doesn't have the kind of feelings for him that he has for her, so her choosing him at this point wouldn't be for the right reasons.  Then I'd call it leading him on.  Up to now, all of their interactions are part and parcel with doing the show, a necessary evil when you sign up for the show... but to choose him when she's in love with another man (that doesn't change in 1 week, not even on a show like this ) would cause so much hurt later, better to end it all now.  Even if she did end up dating Chris later, at least he'd never have to wonder if he was second choice, which is what he'd be now... especially after him watching the episode the other night  OUCH

thanks NV...some of us Chris renegades actually think he is too good for Des  . I personally think he better get heartbroken in the end of this and then following Chris Lambton's footsteps in career and love department. But recent evidences pointing him as the F1...OTOH its too late it seems for him to run far away from Des and this franchise. So..as you can prolly tell.....we are so conflicted!!... . We sure dont want our precious boy being called as sloppy second, default F1 and other horrible descriptions  . He definitely doesnt deserved all of the craps. He does nothing wrong except being adorable, honest, genuine, expressive, protective and loving toward Des throughout the season.

Yes but what does one call Chris if he was loved less than Brooks no matter all his fine qualities and chosen simply because Brooks left? What euphemisms do come up with? It's not crap, it's the truth! The truth that Des chose to expose because of her love for another. Des even said she puts her feelings for Brooks in a separate category from, the other two. But I can certainly understand your conflict. I wouldn't want to be in Chris' shoes even if I won the Bachelorette.

Kashathediva wrote:

LLiza wrote:

Swissmiss wrote:

luvstx wrote:And since this is still the FD episode thread, has it been brought up at all how unimpressive the fantasy suites really were?!?  Bad publicity for the Verandah in my opinion.  All the rooms were so small and didn't look luxurious at all.  Chris' outdoor space and hot tub were nice but the 'suite' that Drew had was bare bones.

I moved down there in 1998 to help set up a non profit. The Verandah is nice especially the grounds but is known as being a family friendly place more than a luxury resort. There are about four other resorts down there that would have been a better choice. I was kind of surprised. I never stayed there but did attend meetings. Nice but not exotic like usual.

Thanks, Swissmiss, for the info.  I am not surprised.  The very nicest resorts are most likely unwilling to close down so much of their facility just to film a TV game show.  The amount of turmoil it takes just to film the town scenes (and manufacture parades and concerts) is not welcome to those who either reside or vacation there.  I highly doubt that MF pays the resorts enough to cover closing down their rooms and property for several days.  Did you notice any people hanging around/vacationing in the scenes last night??  Looked like a ghost town to me!!  LOL

I had mentioned it before, but will bring it up again.
In the past, the franchise has utilized the Rosewood group which has a lot of international hotels/resorts. There is a Rosewood resort in Antigua. I do not know why they were not utilized this time around. it is a beautiful resort.
In the past, the franchise is basically comped for stays, tours, meals etc--just about anything you can think of in terms of services.(limos, airfare) So the cost of production of this show is basically ZILCH. In return, the people offering the freebies get credit and advertisement which is proves to be lucrative for them.
Hope this helps.

Oh one more thing: in the past for fantasy suite a fee of 550$/night would have been a pittance, even though that might not be our budget. I'm thinking Jason's season some of those locals were in the thousands a night. Again, the places are comped so it's not an issue to TPTB.

Cker wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:Hi All - Sorry for butting in here. I have not been keeping up with all the posts from this season at all, and I'm sure its been discussed, but I have a couple of questions.

Has it been sleuthed, proof by way of s/caps that Brooks physically comes back. Was the AFRC a live audience?

One of the posts in this thread, I apologize I can't remember who, said it reminded them of Jason letting Molly go. I was thinking the same thing. She lets Chris and Drew go, the show ends with her choosing no one, then we go to the AFRC and Drew comes back, begging for a 2nd chance?

Forgive me if this has been hashed and rehashed.

Hi GA!! Nice to see you.  There haven't been any screencaps about Brooks coming back just as there are no screenaps for MTP.  The finale/ATFR is a live audience.  They audience will be watching the finale live with the east coast showing, then the AFTR after.  They did this for Sean's finale last year I believe.  As far as your  speculation on what may happen on ATFR, I haven't the slightest idea about that one.  

Hi Cker - The reason I asked about the live audience is because, for Jason's season, they didn't have a live audience, and it was taped a few days before the ATFR aired. I know they like to recycle scripts, and this season reminds me of Jason, but reversed. If there aren't any s/caps of Brooks return or MTP, then I'm thinking she chooses no one but in the meantime Brooks decides he wants to give it a try and shows up on the ATFR.

My sleuthing skills are rusty, but I thought they always taped the ATFR the Friday before airing. We'd stay up for hours waiting for scoups. If RS doesn't know what happens, and there are no spoilers to be found on the outcome of Part1/2, then I'm suspecting, this all goes down on the ATFR, pure speculation on my part.  

pbmax wrote:

Swissmiss wrote:I just wish her well. We all have heartbreak but few if any have it play out on TV. The humiliation she experienced last night was awful. She deserves a break and I hope fans of the show will respect her choice even if they don't get it. JMHO

I didn't see any humiliation cause one thing he didn't do a good job of telling her he didn't love her. He was fumble all over it. He didn't convince me. I really couldn't tell what it was he wanted to say.

pbmax wrote:

Swissmiss wrote:

pbmax wrote:

Swissmiss wrote:I just wish her well. We all have heartbreak but few if any have it play out on TV. The humiliation she experienced last night was awful. She deserves a break and I hope fans of the show will respect her choice even if they don't get it. JMHO

I didn't see any humiliation cause one thing he didn't do a good job of telling her he didn't love her. He was fumble all over it. He didn't convince me. I really couldn't tell what it was he wanted to say.

JMHO but if I had been saying I am head over heels in love and he came to me and said I'm not feeling it I would have preferred to do my ugly cry in privacy. I had a hard time watching her. I totally agree his "breakup" speech was a train wreck. He sure did fumble his words and too many sentence fragments. I think between nerves and camera it was too much for him. This guy has got to go out in public and also back to work. The meltdown he had is all over the news today. I can't imagine either of them not feeling humiliated or at minimum embarrassed for a very uncomfortable and public emotional matter. My hearing is not great but I missed many of his words as he mumbled. The producers might have thought they hit gold with the drama but I am not looking forward to next Monday. I found it sad. I probably will not watch and just read the news Tuesday morning. I don't see any scenario where this ends well. I am not a huge fan of any of the three guys but feel for them as well as Des. I think they got more than they signed up for. JMHO

MO she can pour her heart out on tv or in private, she doesn't have to live for nobody but Des. If she hasn't learn this already she better.

Kashathediva wrote:

LLiza wrote:

Swissmiss wrote:

luvstx wrote:And since this is still the FD episode thread, has it been brought up at all how unimpressive the fantasy suites really were?!?  Bad publicity for the Verandah in my opinion.  All the rooms were so small and didn't look luxurious at all.  Chris' outdoor space and hot tub were nice but the 'suite' that Drew had was bare bones.

I moved down there in 1998 to help set up a non profit. The Verandah is nice especially the grounds but is known as being a family friendly place more than a luxury resort. There are about four other resorts down there that would have been a better choice. I was kind of surprised. I never stayed there but did attend meetings. Nice but not exotic like usual.

Thanks, Swissmiss, for the info.  I am not surprised.  The very nicest resorts are most likely unwilling to close down so much of their facility just to film a TV game show.  The amount of turmoil it takes just to film the town scenes (and manufacture parades and concerts) is not welcome to those who either reside or vacation there.  I highly doubt that MF pays the resorts enough to cover closing down their rooms and property for several days.  Did you notice any people hanging around/vacationing in the scenes last night??  Looked like a ghost town to me!!  LOL

I had mentioned it before, but will bring it up again.
In the past, the franchise has utilized the Rosewood group which has a lot of international hotels/resorts. There is a Rosewood resort in Antigua. I do not know why they were not utilized this time around. it is a beautiful resort.
In the past, the franchise is basically comped for stays, tours, meals etc--just about anything you can think of in terms of services.(limos, airfare) So the cost of production of this show is basically ZILCH. In return, the people offering the freebies get credit and advertisement which is proves to be lucrative for them.
Hope this helps.

Oh one more thing: in the past for fantasy suite a fee of 550$/night would have been a pittance, even though that might not be our budget. I'm thinking Jason's season some of those locals were in the thousands a night. Again, the places are comped so it's not an issue to TPTB.

happy2bme wrote:

pbmax wrote:

Swissmiss wrote:I just wish her well. We all have heartbreak but few if any have it play out on TV. The humiliation she experienced last night was awful. She deserves a break and I hope fans of the show will respect her choice even if they don't get it. JMHO

I didn't see any humiliation cause one thing he didn't do a good job of telling her he didn't love her. He was fumble all over it. He didn't convince me. I really couldn't tell what it was he wanted to say.

I saw the same thing. I feel he was edited in both the meeting with his mom and sis and with ch. At least that is the way I'm looking at it. He said so many sweet things about it. I wonder if they were having an overall conversation because he was having a bit of cold feet and wanting to ask her to marry him and they cut out some parts there and left in only the parts where he was questioning himself to make it look like he wasn't ready for this.