Fantasy Dates - Screencaps - Discussion

Pattycake92 wrote:Vienna was not favored in any polls. JP is favored in EVERY poll. They do not have similar edits.

northernviewer wrote:I don't think this season is about "who will she choose ... JP or Ben?" it's more of "will Ashley be able to choose anbody after the number Bentley pulled on her and after Mickey and Constantine left, and after she was humiliated by a few at the roast that Emily would have been preferred instead of her" That question is also being coupled with "will JP even want to propose to her after what he went through in his past relationship" ... it's not who she prefers, it's will they end up together at the FRC.

northernviewer wrote:I don't think this season is about "who will she choose ... JP or Ben?" it's more of "will Ashley be able to choose anbody after the number Bentley pulled on her and after Mickey and Constantine left, and after she was humiliated by a few at the roast that Emily would have been preferred instead of her" That question is also being coupled with "will JP even want to propose to her after what he went through in his past relationship" ... it's not who she prefers, it's will they end up together at the FRC.

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skitts wrote:If JP was clearly upset over Ben's overnight two epi's ago, do you think he will come right out ask Ash about the FSD with Ben? They will show JP's date last, but of course filming may not have been in that order. I'm very curious if this will be addressed by JP...thoughts?

Assuming that JP knew nothing of how this show worked prior, and would be hearing for the first time about the FS option when Ashley gives him the card, I'd be surprised if he didn't ask her how she handled this with the other guys, but I'm almost sure that he waited until they were alone with no cameras, and she probably told him that Dino already left, and that she and Ben just talked all night.

It's possible though, that in an attempt to prolong the "JP jealousy" storyline, he'll be prompted to bring it up on camera, and Ashley will have to tell him on camera that he needs to deal with it; then, once they're alone, she'll reassure him that nothing happened with the other guys.

I have a hard time believing that JP will be able to "deal" with it, no matter how it is presented. I think that his jealousy will be a major stumbling block for them and one that might not be overcome, hence the source of mine saying that things will continue to go downhill for her and JP and will go better for Ash and Ben........kind of how Chantal's edit went through Brad's season, JP is following that edit very well. Chantal was very upset the last epi before hometowns.......kind of how JP acted.

JP said... LOL... typed in his commentary for the HTD that the jealous rages were over so maybe it won't even be a factor?

Well, since the show isn't over yet, how can it be said that jealousy doesn't rear it's head for him again........

The show was over May 12 and Ashley picked JP as her fiance. There is no more reason to be jealous of Ben or other guys since Ashley is head over heels in love and only has eyes for JP.

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Pattycake92 wrote:Continue to go downhill? His hometown was the best of the three.

IMO, Ben's was the most important and best of the four. Ames, you could see doubts creeping in. JP's was full of fun, but not a lot of content, Constantines was full of fun. Ben's was the most balanced. There was a lot of substance to it and the fun was there too.

dare i say you put your rose glasses here because i did not see the same thing as you but ok it's your opinion

Sorry, but really don't think so. When you look at it, with JP's yes there was fun, but there was a lot of serious doubtful conversations as well. With Ben's date, there was a lot of substance there that makes you understand who Ben is, the connection that Ben and Ash have.

I have to agree to disagree with you on this. That's not how I saw it...sorry! I understand who Ben is now...but didn't do anything for me in regards to Ben & Ashley. I think it's a case of personal opinion on what people find to be the most important and best of the four.

But this is something that I think everyone can agree on...............if you are on Ben's side of the fence, you will see it one way.............if you are on JP's side of the fence, you will likely see it another way.

From Ben's side of the fence, a lot more was shown with regards of the connection Ben and Ashley were getting. IMO.

You heard and saw Ashley talk about her feelings for Ben. Ashley also gives Ben more of her attention when he's talking to her. And, I can't get pass how Ashley turns her head when JP and Constantine would go in for a kiss. Their kisses generally landed on the side of her face and mouth. It was pretty clear to me that Ashley was trying to avoid a full kiss. I also noticed that when she could not avoid the kiss, she would focus on the bottom lip like an actor would.

I'm with you on this, 2Observe. I brought it up here earlier but wasn't a popular opinion. :laughingoutlou I think part of the reason people see so much chemistry with JP is because of him. Not to say she's disgusted by him at all of course. I'm sure she does enjoying kissing him but the best kisser comment was several episodes ago. I just think it's a strange way to kiss someone if he's the one you're choosing.

I don't truly trust the editing when we're given such different dates so no way to really compare them. I'd have liked to see more fun with Ben to see how Ashley reacted (like in my avatar). I hate it when good stuff lands on the cutting room floor.

I'll be very interested to see how JP reacts to the FD's with the other guys. We certainly have plenty of background to suggest that he may be jealous or at least upset by the thought. I do think it could cause issues on their FD but how much is the question.

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Pattycake92 wrote:Continue to go downhill? His hometown was the best of the three.

IMO, Ben's was the most important and best of the four. Ames, you could see doubts creeping in. JP's was full of fun, but not a lot of content, Constantines was full of fun. Ben's was the most balanced. There was a lot of substance to it and the fun was there too.

dare i say you put your rose glasses here because i did not see the same thing as you but ok it's your opinion

Sorry, but really don't think so. When you look at it, with JP's yes there was fun, but there was a lot of serious doubtful conversations as well. With Ben's date, there was a lot of substance there that makes you understand who Ben is, the connection that Ben and Ash have.

I have to agree to disagree with you on this. That's not how I saw it...sorry! I understand who Ben is now...but didn't do anything for me in regards to Ben & Ashley. I think it's a case of personal opinion on what people find to be the most important and best of the four.

But this is something that I think everyone can agree on...............if you are on Ben's side of the fence, you will see it one way.............if you are on JP's side of the fence, you will likely see it another way.

From Ben's side of the fence, a lot more was shown with regards of the connection Ben and Ashley were getting. IMO.

You heard and saw Ashley talk about her feelings for Ben. Ashley also gives Ben more of her attention when he's talking to her. And, I can't get pass how Ashley turns her head when JP and Constantine would go in for a kiss. Their kisses generally landed on the side of her face and mouth. It was pretty clear to me that Ashley was trying to avoid a full kiss. I also noticed that when she could not avoid the kiss, she would focus on the bottom lip like an actor would.

I'm with you on this, 2Observe. I brought it up here earlier but wasn't a popular opinion. I think part of the reason people see so much chemistry with JP is because of him. Not to say she's disgusted by him at all of course. I'm sure she does enjoying kissing him but the best kisser comment was several episodes ago. I just think it's a strange way to kiss someone if he's the one you're choosing.

I don't truly trust the editing when we're given such different dates so no way to really compare them. I'd have liked to see more fun with Ben to see how Ashley reacted (like in my avatar). I hate it when good stuff lands on the cutting room floor.

I'll be very interested to see how JP reacts to the FD's with the other guys. We certainly have plenty of background to suggest that he may be jealous or at least upset by the thought. I do think it could cause issues on their FD but how much is the question.

People see the chemistry between JP and Ash because that is the edit we are getting. The F2 is thrown into our faces to distract us from the real romance happening. Of course everyone saw the chemistry between Brad and Chantal because that is what TPTB emphasized in their edit. Which is a red flag to sleuthers as it proves that, that person is NOT the F1. By episode 3, the JP and Ashley chemistry hit the roof. And, we know that at that time, Ashly was in love with Bentley and could see no one else. Proves the chemistry, kissing things, do not mean a thing.

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Kelad9 wrote: If this is true, and then I think both teams are being distracted. I thought Dino was brought up to the forefront on the HTD's. I saw a bit more between them at that time than I ever did during the season. More so than say Ben as I think ben is still trying to find his way emotionally pass the death of his father and not really ready for romance just yet. I think that Dino will be our Dark horse if for whatever reason things don't work out between Ashley/JP and/or Ashley/Ben. Thou like most I'm convinced JP is F1. but a sleuther is never finished sleuthing till the end so all possibilities must be discussed even if we don't want to hear it. LOL

Remember how Em was edited. she kept wearing THAT ring, she sabotaged all her relationships and a billion guys couldn't handle her past, etc.....Many took Em's demeanor as a sign she wasn't interested in Brad and the edit continued to focus on her reluctance to fall for Brad, she had excuses, including 'could Brad handle being a dad'.

At the end of the day, we are only given edited versions of these folks, and we the viewer feel we know who these folks are based on that. We have to remember that they take great measures to portray someone in the fashion they see fit and pull all that material to tell that story and disregard the material that tells us otherwise.

Having said all that - I don't think we can say that Ben hasn't moved past his father's death. Of course he's still dealing with the grief but that doesn't make him someone who isn't ready for a real relationship. I betcha we hear he's hooked up with someone before the summer is over, just like Chris L who everyone thought was still damaged by his mother's passing.

You're right on all points. Furthermore, I have always said that their point is to try and fool the audience into thinking that F2 is F1 so that when F1 steps out for the majority of viewers it is a WHAT??? moment.

Furthermore, because of the edit and faulty inside info even the sluthers were fooled by the F1 Jesse win. There were very few Jesse folks on the Fort that season. Jason even told his buddies in the house he was F1 and then later told them that the producers told him to do it.

I bought into all of that, and so did the rest of us. We learned a heck of a lot that season!!
You can bet they will pull all kinds of punches. I don't put anything past them, including hurting the sweetest of the parents.

Now, I am going to bring something to the board's remembrance for whatever it is worth. Do you remember all of the Chantal vlogs? She was positively upbeat. It appeared from her demeanor and the kind of things that she said that she had won. We added the comments from her dad's interview and the way that they protrayed Emily and the ring business, and it looked liked it must be Chantal, especially for the first half of the season.

I don't put much of anything past the producers and the editing. I think they like to pull the wool out from under you, and I am really surprised when they just give it to you. I think that is very suspicious!

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Let's just say that I am watching this closely to see if the producers are going to do a switcheroo this season as they seemed to have done in the last few.

Reidiscool wrote:Sorry to be a pain...I'm having so much trouble finding stuff that was sleuthed early on in the season. Can anybody point me in the direction of the twitter pics that were posted by CH, his wife and millsey in the run up to the finale? I know those locations were also sleuthed.