Re: Tim Lopez - Ready For Love - Spoilers - Thread #3

[docnash14]

The family and close friends definitely know, but they have to be careful when going out and with the social media (that everyone is addicted to, post something personal on and you have some "crazy" people on this forum dissecting every little detail that could connect them). I assume they cannot go shopping together, go to the restaurant (specially after the show aired and people became more aware of them), together on a commercial plane to some exotic destination, or as simple as taking a dog for a walk. 2 more weeks (or 3) and the "normal" life begins.

I have spoken to some of Sara's close friends and I don't believe they know. On the other hand, while I don't know this to be true for a fact, I assume that her family knows and likely her very best friends.

[iamreal2u]

Why does Sara have to sell their relationship on Twitter and Facebook. IMO it seems so controlling and desperate or she is not F1.

Sara Lavagnino ‏@thelavagirls 6m
What a beautiful family Tim comes from, that's so important and rare these days! #family #love [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

[Guest]

Why does Sara have to sell their relationship on Twitter and Facebook. IMO it seems so controlling and desperate or she is not F1.

Sara Lavagnino ‏@thelavagirls 6m
What a beautiful family Tim comes from, that's so important and rare these days! #family #love [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Agree! She's so blantant about it, as is her family...if she was F1 it's so overboard and if not F1 a lot weird!

[CHO]

LTS, the cubicles theory becomes one step closer to the truth with each new episode. So far none of our predicted finalist from the cubicles (credit goes to happygolucky) have been eliminated. So, if that theory is true, Hailey will be eliminated.

That said, I honestly would break out a bottle of champagne if Hailey were to be the F1. I love her!

Litta, don't you see! The lit up cubicles are the biggest reason that Hailey would shock us! And Alba for Ernesto, Tarryn for Ben.


Honestly, I'm just being silly. This is just the happy scenario I've dreamed up in my head. If it actually happens I'll be as surprised as everyone else. Elated but surprised.

It's just strange - many many on this board love Hailey - and want her to get Tim in the end (if it's meant to be). Why is that ? For me - Hailey is just fun to watch - so down to earth - obviously funny - adorable etc. But also it's the interractions with Tim. They are cute together and genuinely seem comfortable together. He has said some sincere caring things to her about staying who she is and maybe there is more than just providing comic relief. Most of what is out there has indicated that this is just a wonderful friendship for Tim. But Hailey has been prominent in every episode - we all know Hailey very well - even in ep 3 in which she wasn't shown to have any time with Tim - she was then put in the bottom 2 so we again saw her interractions with Tim and heard him tell her what he liked about her. I think the posts about the story arcing too soon for Jenna and then Sara might have merits. This show is doing the same as The Bach - swaying us all this way and then that way !! We still have the screencap of Hailey embraced in the water - pretty intimate body to body contact for a friendship (or major leading on). Maybe Hailey jumped up into his arms and led the embrace - I don't know - but he is sure holding onto her !

I could be being mislead by Tim's interractions with Sara - and a lot has been said on this subject already - but for me it comes down to: Sara knows she is right for him, the parents think she is the best fit ......... but does Tim ? I would always wonder if Tim ends up with her - why there was so much emphasis on Sara trying to convince Tim that they could have something special. Seems there shouldn't need to be convincing.
It would be a stretch at this point - but maybe Tim will realize he just can't live without Miss Hailey !

[LoveDovez]

Why does Sara have to sell their relationship on Twitter and Facebook. IMO it seems so controlling and desperate or she is not F1.

Sara Lavagnino ‏@thelavagirls 6m
What a beautiful family Tim comes from, that's so important and rare these days! #family #love [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Agree! She's so blantant about it, as is her family...if she was F1 it's so overboard and if not F1 a lot weird!

What's she saying by it being so rare these days, that most families are ugly? LOLOL Just kidding about that . I believe she meant beautiful as in how they are and love, BUT I still want to take a little offense to that, too coz I don't find my family as being rare and they are beautiful.. and it's always been important for them to show their love ... I find this post to be a little butt kissing. If you know what I mean... Shaking my head!!!

[Guest]

Why does Sara have to sell their relationship on Twitter and Facebook. IMO it seems so controlling and desperate or she is not F1.

Sara Lavagnino ‏@thelavagirls 6m
What a beautiful family Tim comes from, that's so important and rare these days! #family #love [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Agree! She's so blantant about it, as is her family...if she was F1 it's so overboard and if not F1 a lot weird!

What's she saying by it being so rare these days, that most families are ugly? LOLOL Just kidding about that . I believe she meant beautiful as in how they are and love, BUT I still want to take a little offense to that, too coz I don't find my family as being rare and they are beautiful.. and it's always been important for them to show their love ... I find this post to be a little butt kissing. If you know what I mean... Shaking my head!!!

LOL, yeah. I'm sure she didn't mean anything by it...they've been married a long time, that's getting more rarer these days. You see so many broken families and those that don't even care for their own kids or spouse, it's nice when you do see it and experience it.

Up above with my post I didn't mean her family has been as blantant like Sara has, but her mom has said a few things that made me go hmmm.

[docnash14]

Why does Sara have to sell their relationship on Twitter and Facebook. IMO it seems so controlling and desperate or she is not F1.

Sara Lavagnino ‏@thelavagirls 6m
What a beautiful family Tim comes from, that's so important and rare these days! #family #love [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Agree! She's so blantant about it, as is her family...if she was F1 it's so overboard and if not F1 a lot weird!

Perhaps she is simply celebrating and sharing her discovery that she was able to love again.

[CHO]

I think that is going to be the happiness for Sara - that she realizes she can open herself to having feelings for someone again.

[kraft33]

Sara reminds me a little of Ashley Frazier and Sean from last Bachelor season. She seemed like the perfect fit for him and always saying the right things but was imo a little too much, a little too serious and a little too confident she would be the one. And we know how that story ended. He chose the one who was more fun, youthful and she even had a hard time expressing herself until the very end, which to me reminds me a bit of Jenna! All my opinions of course!!

[noobsleuth]

If Sara was the F1 we would be seeing a great edit on Jenna. Why not use some of Jenna's best moments to throw us off track on Sara as F1, if she is indeed the F1? Today was so over the top on Sara that I can't possibly believe she is the F1. They are basically telling us that Sara is the F1 and they would never do that if it was true IMO. Maybe I am just jaded from years of the bach, but Sara as F1 is too easy, no suspense.

This entertainment value of this show is pretty poor IMO. It's like they brought forward the “girls tell all” from the bach and made it the dominant part of the show (the least entertaining part of the bach). And put in the background the girls dates (the most entertaining part of the bach – that is excluding the occasional bach's house drama – maybe that is what they were trying to accomplish with RFL's “girls tell all with the matchmakers”). Even made it worse by putting girls in pods, like dolls in a toy store. The behind the scene production manipulations on the bach is pretty bad, but this show takes it to the next level, making it blatantly obvious – so controlling.

Maybe I'm wrong on this, but thought what was supposed to set this show apart from the bach was to establish a better track record than the bach for these “reality romances” going anywhere, by using matchmakers. Unfortunately we only got one matchmaker. And I was disappointed with her choices for Ernesto, and Ben for that matter [Allie was more likely a pure luck of the draw for Matt].

The format of this show is terrible. It's become even more obvious in recent weeks when the ladies are getting the same amount of air time as they did say the first episode. In the Bach, when it comes down to the F4 each contestant usually has a decent amount of airtime and generally they try to keep the times the same. Not taking into account some drama that makes for good TV then taking precedence. However, as the show progresses each contestants airtime gets longer. Sadly it's not the case with this show. Instead they extend the time of like you call it the WTA/MTA type segments with the MMs. For example, someone like Jenna had the same amount of airtime (maybe even less) this past week as she did the third episode even though the amount of girls is substantially smaller. I don't like it. Could also be why so many of us are confused about the editing. They aren't giving us a whole lot to go on. I'm getting the same amount of footage of a F1/F2 as I did at the beginning of the season. I feel like I can't even form an opinion on some of these women. Sorry for the long winded response I could go on for pages concerning what is wrong with the format of this show and why I'm not surprised that the relationships don't seem to be working out.

Also, as much as I like the cute local girl for Tim, you can count me in as someone who would be delighted to see it be Hailey instead. :WAVEY:

[Litta123]

Perhaps she is simply celebrating and sharing her discovery that she was able to love again.

I agree, doc. Sara has made so many statements during the show that reflect a joy about feeling those feelings again...for the first time since she lost her fiance. Knowing that Timmy was sick and doing battle with cancer, she must have lived with a heaviness and state of grief for such a long time. This experience must have given her hope for a happy future...at least, it would me.

So when people wonder why all the Sara positivity towards Tim, their experience on RFL, and Tim's family if she's not F1, I think she could simply be expressing a heart of gratitude. It would be consistent with being a woman of faith and in whom she has put her trust. When someone has been a part of your healing journey, there is a sense of deep gratitude and specialness towards that person -- even if/when it doesn't become more than that. At least, that has been true for me. There are people in my life that have been used to bring significant healing to my soul and heart. We no longer walk side by side in the day to day journey of life; but when I think of them and their impact on me, I become teary eyed. I am eternally grateful for them...and will always remember our time fondly.

[Beb]

But, Beb, can you address why Sara is coming to the forefront so soon before the finale? Where would be the suspense from the storyboard point of view? Now, to me, the greater suspense seems to rest with can Jenna still be his pick. Can she overcome her age, etc.?

I would love to hear your perspective on if you think Sara is peaking too soon. And if so, why? If Sara isn't peaking, do you think Jenna still has the lead?

No. I don't think she's peaking too soon. I think we talked about this weeks ago (correct me if I'm having a senior moment again)...and I remember saying before the SB EP, that if something didn't happen in that episode, it had to be Jenna...that was what? Ep 5? There's 9 eps total? Right? I'm confused about that...but there's 2 left.

So, it was building up to Jenna in the first 4 eps. And it didn't look like anyone else stood a chance. Then, SB and Sara popped a little. I was like, okay, something's happening. We predicted that. Tim says he has to rethink.

Then, Hawaii (Sarah comes through more.) And then, the family episode today. So, Sarah has been emerging for 3 episodes with 2 left.

If you look at it from a classic story arc perspective, it's a beginning (Jenna for 4 eps), middle (Santa Barbara), then, slide into the end - eps 6 thru 9. So they've set up the horserace. What I'm saying is that, it's either girl's game. But, it seems to me like it's hard for Jenna to overcome perceived emotional immaturity, right? They've pounded that in. How do u fix that? (Cue the orphanage) With Sara, you can now feel them building the chemistry between them.

Plus, it's weird that Sara's posting pics on her FB of her all over Tim. Sara's been suspicious from the go because she was so quiet on Social Media. Suddenly, she's out there. I don't know what to make of that. And she seems like the choice that the producer's would want him to make. It's the better story. Two wounded souls brought together by the brilliant MM's. They rediscover they have hearts again...they're the tinmen to Amber's Wizard. Jenna's story is...well...something else.

Okay, so from the editing, you're saying that's it's either girl's game right now. I misunderstood. I thought you were saying it was Sara as the clear F1 from the edit. So would it be fair to say that you think Jenna and Sara are tied right now, so to speak?

I'm at a total lose as to how Jenna "grows up" in 2 eps. I really don't mean to hedge....the story arc points to Sara. If I had to pick, I'd say it was Sara. I say that despite the Halloween photos (funny those came out today...) Tim's friend, the concert, the events, the lake stuff.

Hailey's FB makes sense to me in the context of Sara. Sara's FB makes sense to me if she's F1. It feels like the answer is more in the silence then in the clues. Something's still missing tho. Heck, maybe Tim's with Tracy...and Matt. Maybe Mr. Lopez comes back on and says he was wrong. He's really what's stuck in my craw. Doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would put his foot in his mouth.

I hear you, Beb. Frankly, this whole show, RFL, has some of the most confusing editing that I've ever seen. That's one of the reasons I'm not trusting the story. I'm looking at body language and the post show evidence. You may count FB postings as post show evidence, but they leave me suspect. If I have the time, I'd like to check Sara's postings. It seems to me that her postings about Tim and the show have increased since the Jenna's LA pictures were uncovered. Maybe that's not true, but that's what it feels like to me.

Do the producers still care about the ending being spoiled? I think so. Hailey has been uncharacteristically quiet on twitter since the Jenna/Hailey dress tweet exchange on Friday. Almost everything that I've tweeted to Hailey previously was either favorited or responded to until now. She is being extra careful, IMO. Jenna has been cautious, too. Sara, not so much. She keeps FB posting about how great her time was with Tim. My opinion, but I think the producers want her to mislead the audience that is paying attention to social media/spoilers.

Frankly, the end of this show can't come soon enough. I feel like the student in this cartoon.

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But, I will say, Beb, I've enjoy the discussion with you tonight. Interesting things to ponder...but I'm still sailing on the Jenna boat. I'm all in. And if I go up in flames, c'est la vie!

Likewise Litta...as always. It will be a good lesson for me any way it turns out. If it's Jenna, it will all make perfect sense. If it's not, jeeeezzz...I would like to request a post-mortem with you so we can dissect and untangle the whole ugly mess. :)

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