Episode 10 (Finale) - 3/11 - Bachelor 17 - Discussion - Spoilers

Cari wrote:

It's now Monday!!!

Dang it, I'm in the Wrong side of the world!!

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LOL! My brother moved to Taiwan a few years ago, and it's 12/13 hours ahead of EST (depending on Daylight Savings Time). I always tease him about the fact that he's "living in the future," and when he's watching American shows/events live (like the Super Bowl), I ask him for spoilers. Never works, though, LOL!

Columbia, MD wrote:JMHO, but I think they'll have a better success in marriage if they wait like Ashley and JP did, and get to know each other better. If they're in a hurry so they can have sex, then I fear they are making a big mistake.

I'm pretty sure they're not rushing a wedding just to have sex. But in any event, I think every couple has to move at their own speed, and they know better whether they're ready to make a permanent commitment than we are. Ashley still had to finish school, apply for residencies, start her residency. With all that on her plate, it's not surprising that Ashley wanted to wait a while before getting married. Sean and Catherine are already established in their careers, and don't have to worry about finishing their training or establishing themselves.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's important for couples to get to know each other, but there's no standard timeline for that. For every quickie marriage that results in a quickie divorce, there are couples get married 2 months after meeting each other and have long, happy marriages. And then there are other couples who have been together years before they get married, only to split up not-too-soon afterwards. There are so many factors that determine whether a marriage will be successful. IMO, the length of the relationship is near the bottom of the list.

Archer23 wrote:

Columbia, MD wrote:JMHO, but I think they'll have a better success in marriage if they wait like Ashley and JP did, and get to know each other better. If they're in a hurry so they can have sex, then I fear they are making a big mistake.

I'm pretty sure they're not rushing a wedding just to have sex. But in any event, I think every couple has to move at their own speed, and they know better whether they're ready to make a permanent commitment than we are. Ashley still had to finish school, apply for residencies, start her residency. With all that on her plate, it's not surprising that Ashley wanted to wait a while before getting married. Sean and Catherine are already established in their careers, and don't have to worry about finishing their training or establishing themselves.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's important for couples to get to know each other, but there's no standard timeline for that. For every quickie marriage that results in a quickie divorce, there are couples get married 2 months after meeting each other and have long, happy marriages. And then there are other couples who have been together years before they get married, only to split up not-too-soon afterwards. There are so many factors that determine whether a marriage will be successful. IMO, the length of the relationship is near the bottom of the list.

Archer23- you speak truth.

Archer23 wrote:

Columbia, MD wrote:JMHO, but I think they'll have a better success in marriage if they wait like Ashley and JP did, and get to know each other better. If they're in a hurry so they can have sex, then I fear they are making a big mistake.

I'm pretty sure they're not rushing a wedding just to have sex. But in any event, I think every couple has to move at their own speed, and they know better whether they're ready to make a permanent commitment than we are. Ashley still had to finish school, apply for residencies, start her residency. With all that on her plate, it's not surprising that Ashley wanted to wait a while before getting married. Sean and Catherine are already established in their careers, and don't have to worry about finishing their training or establishing themselves.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's important for couples to get to know each other, but there's no standard timeline for that. For every quickie marriage that results in a quickie divorce, there are couples get married 2 months after meeting each other and have long, happy marriages. And then there are other couples who have been together years before they get married, only to split up not-too-soon afterwards. There are so many factors that determine whether a marriage will be successful. IMO, the length of the relationship is near the bottom of the list.

I completely agree. But I'm guessing you already knew that. The length of a relationship has zero to do with the marriage results IMO. For example, my mom and dad were together 8 years before getting married. Their marriage ended in a nasty divorce. My dad and stepmom got married 6 months after meeting each other and are happy as clams.

I trust Sean and Catherine to make the best decision for their relationship. Who am I to hodge whether that's right or wrong.

Less than 12 hours to go. I've never been so glad to have to work and get a workout in. Thats the only way I can get the day to not drag on.

Aren't Sean's parents in the fast track group when it came to their own wedding?? I think so...

Archer23 wrote:

Columbia, MD wrote:JMHO, but I think they'll have a better success in marriage if they wait like Ashley and JP did, and get to know each other better. If they're in a hurry so they can have sex, then I fear they are making a big mistake.

I'm pretty sure they're not rushing a wedding just to have sex. But in any event, I think every couple has to move at their own speed, and they know better whether they're ready to make a permanent commitment than we are. Ashley still had to finish school, apply for residencies, start her residency. With all that on her plate, it's not surprising that Ashley wanted to wait a while before getting married. Sean and Catherine are already established in their careers, and don't have to worry about finishing their training or establishing themselves.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's important for couples to get to know each other, but there's no standard timeline for that. For every quickie marriage that results in a quickie divorce, there are couples get married 2 months after meeting each other and have long, happy marriages. And then there are other couples who have been together years before they get married, only to split up not-too-soon afterwards. There are so many factors that determine whether a marriage will be successful. IMO, the length of the relationship is near the bottom of the list.

My hubby and I married after 5 weeks and we have been married now for 26 years!

snowandcold wrote:

Archer23 wrote:

Columbia, MD wrote:JMHO, but I think they'll have a better success in marriage if they wait like Ashley and JP did, and get to know each other better. If they're in a hurry so they can have sex, then I fear they are making a big mistake.

I'm pretty sure they're not rushing a wedding just to have sex. But in any event, I think every couple has to move at their own speed, and they know better whether they're ready to make a permanent commitment than we are. Ashley still had to finish school, apply for residencies, start her residency. With all that on her plate, it's not surprising that Ashley wanted to wait a while before getting married. Sean and Catherine are already established in their careers, and don't have to worry about finishing their training or establishing themselves.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's important for couples to get to know each other, but there's no standard timeline for that. For every quickie marriage that results in a quickie divorce, there are couples get married 2 months after meeting each other and have long, happy marriages. And then there are other couples who have been together years before they get married, only to split up not-too-soon afterwards. There are so many factors that determine whether a marriage will be successful. IMO, the length of the relationship is near the bottom of the list.

My hubby and I married after 5 weeks and we have been married now for 26 years!

Same here. My husband and I met in Jan, he prosposed in Apr and we were married in Aug. We have now been married 29 years. We would have been married sooner if a background check was not required by his employer. I agree that length of knowing each has little to do with success/failure of a marriage. I believe it's what you put into it and how one view marriage. I think they have the ingredients to make it a success.

There is a huge difference in those of us who met our spouses and married them a short time later, or knew we would do so, and the premise of this show. I have a similar story myself. But we weren't dating and making out with 15 or 20 other people at the same time, in a two month time frame until we whittled it down to our final choice. That's not to say I don't hope Sean and Catherine are successful in building a lasting relationship once they are in the real world. If they do, then as with the other couples from this show, it will be in spite of how this show works, and not because of it. The show merely brought them together, it won't be what makes them succeed. Thats strictly up to them, and how hard they are willing to work at it.

Catherine and Sean have known each other 6 weeks longer than hubs and I did when we married 11 years ago.

I'm a big believer in "when you know you know", obviously. No one in our families gave us any grief, as my Grands on Mom's side had us beat.

Bronwyn wrote:There is a huge difference in those of us who met our spouses and married them a short time later, or knew we would do so, and the premise of this show. I have a similar story myself. But we weren't dating and making out with 15 or 20 other people at the same time, in a two month time frame until we whittled it down to our final choice. That's not to say I don't hope Sean and Catherine are successful in building a lasting relationship once they are in the real world. If they do, then as with the other couples from this show, it will be in spite of how this show works, and not because of it. The show merely brought them together, it won't be what makes them succeed. Thats strictly up to them, and how hard they are willing to work at it.

Willingness to work is vital, yes. I think equally important are the expectations you bring into the situation. From the posts on Catherine's thread and what we know about Sean, I do think they take this commitment very seriously- it's one they wouldn't make unless they were. Yes, they were in a bubble when they fell in love, but if they don't blame every little issue on being in the bubble (and there are couple who we might have thought were pretty strong who blamed the bubble almost right away), but put love at the center and work from there, they will be like every other couple who met in the course of life, face problems, and work together toward the solution.

I think it would be fine to translate "I love the Beef" like Catherine and Sean do. I am not a linguist so I need your help!

French - j'adore l boeuf (I love the beef)
Spanish - Me encanta la carne de vaca (I adore beef)
Filipino - gustong gusto ko ng karne ng baka (I really like beef)
Thai - (what was that again?)
Any other language?