Episode 7 - November 14th - Discussion - Spoilers

Why are TPTB showing us that a girl in a white dress is the F1? We know this is Bianka, although the general viewing public might not.



Here she is presumably about to be proposed to, as Brad is reaching into his pocket for the ring.



Haven't they spoiled their own ending? Unless they know both girls are wearing white dresses? The other one being limo girl - Whitney.

Mirzam wrote:Why are TPTB showing us that a girl in a white dress is the F1? We know this is Bianka, although the general viewing public might not.



Here she is presumably about to be proposed to, as Brad is reaching into his pocket for the ring.



Haven't they spoiled their own ending? Unless they know both girls are wearing white dresses? The other one being limo girl - Whitney.

IMO the ending is still spoiled if they show who we think is Bianca in the early part of the day, and the limo girl in the later part of the day. I think either way we may still be spoiled.

Does anyone have the WTA bloopers that they can post for the folks in US. The WTA is still not up on any sites and not sure if it will go up. Thanks in advance.

IMO - showing a girl in a dress doesn't spoil anything. Sleuthers figuring it out by a tan line on a finger is what's "spoiled" it. The press is still saying who he picks is unknown, so it's still an "unspoiled" ending as far as the great majority is concerned. Sleuthers figure it out many seasons, even before RS came along. Sometimes it's by a freckle, or the shape of a thumb, and this time it's by a tan line from a ring.

BUT Bianka being at the FRC doens't mean she's the F1, nor does Brad reaching into his back pocket mean he's going for a ring either, he could be reaching for a hankie or tissue to wipe away tears.

I'm not going to get into the 2 dress theory again, but showing us one dress only, doens't mean diddly squat either, they could just be wanting us to think only one girl shows and they both could very well be attending and it ends up being a traditional 2 girl FRC where the first one gets sent home and he proposes to the second one

Going by what I've seen in the edit, I'd say that he picks Whitney.... but going by all the post show info, I'd say he picks Bianka. Wednesday will reveal which it is... and I'm so happy to not really know this season... such a treat after so many seasons of spoilers

northernviewer wrote:IMO - showing a girl in a dress doesn't spoil anything. Sleuthers figuring it out by a tan line on a finger is what's "spoiled" it. The press is still saying who he picks is unknown, so it's still an "unspoiled" ending as far as the great majority is concerned. Sleuthers figure it out many seasons, even before RS came along. Sometimes it's by a freckle, or the shape of a thumb, and this time it's by a tan line from a ring.

BUT Bianka being at the FRC doens't mean she's the F1, nor does Brad reaching into his back pocket mean he's going for a ring either, he could be reaching for a hankie or tissue to wipe away tears.

I'm not going to get into the 2 dress theory again, but showing us one dress only, doens't mean diddly squat either, they could just be wanting us to think only one girl shows and they both could very well be attending and it ends up being a traditional 2 girl FRC where the first one gets sent home and he proposes to the second one

Going by what I've seen in the edit, I'd say that he picks Whitney.... but going by all the post show info, I'd say he picks Bianka. Wednesday will reveal which it is... and I'm so happy to not really know this season... such a treat after so many seasons of spoilers

Northern, I want your opinion on something here. At WTA, Brad told Chantelle he could not take her deeper into the process if he was not going to select her as his F1 because of who she was and her situation (not kissing a guy for 4 yrs). Bianka has been very open with Brad regarding the hurt she experienced from her last serious relationship and her storyline/obstacle has definitely been trust.

Do you believe Brad would take her to the very end, given her situation, only to let her go at F2?

I also want to point out that we hear Bianka in the preview from WTA say that she is ready to open up and that she has never felt anything like this and it's crazy but she is "so sure". I'm thinking Brad must have fully gained her trust in order for her to fall in love with him.

Would Brad gain this trust, given Bianka's vulnerability and then dump her at the FRC?

It's just my opinion, but I just can't see it. I know I've repeated my question a couple of times, but what are your thoughts on this?

northernviewer wrote:IMO - showing a girl in a dress doesn't spoil anything. Sleuthers figuring it out by a tan line on a finger is what's "spoiled" it. The press is still saying who he picks is unknown, so it's still an "unspoiled" ending as far as the great majority is concerned. Sleuthers figure it out many seasons, even before RS came along. Sometimes it's by a freckle, or the shape of a thumb, and this time it's by a tan line from a ring.

BUT Bianka being at the FRC doens't mean she's the F1, nor does Brad reaching into his back pocket mean he's going for a ring either, he could be reaching for a hankie or tissue to wipe away tears.

I'm not going to get into the 2 dress theory again, but showing us one dress only, doens't mean diddly squat either, they could just be wanting us to think only one girl shows and they both could very well be attending and it ends up being a traditional 2 girl FRC where the first one gets sent home and he proposes to the second one

Going by what I've seen in the edit, I'd say that he picks Whitney.... but going by all the post show info, I'd say he picks Bianka. Wednesday will reveal which it is... and I'm so happy to not really know this season... such a treat after so many seasons of spoilers

I agree, it is redicilous to get into this 2 dresses the same theory. It is one woman showing up in one dress that has one pair of shoes. That's all it is. When you watch the video it is one flowing motion, the person gets out of the limo, dress goes to the ground, flowing dress that has range of motion so when the person walks at a full stride it looks the way it is supposed to. you can't just seize a frame in time in the sc and say that is all we have to look at because we don't. We have the other video to go by.

When you take the editing into account, any average person would believe that he would choose Whitney, then when you take it into a sleuther's perspective, we know it is Bianka at the RC in the white dress. Plain and simple. Again, common sense says that they wouldn't dress both women up in a white dress with the same shoes to this so it is only one person, one white dress, and one person in the shoes.

jojo47 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:IMO - showing a girl in a dress doesn't spoil anything. Sleuthers figuring it out by a tan line on a finger is what's "spoiled" it. The press is still saying who he picks is unknown, so it's still an "unspoiled" ending as far as the great majority is concerned. Sleuthers figure it out many seasons, even before RS came along. Sometimes it's by a freckle, or the shape of a thumb, and this time it's by a tan line from a ring.

BUT Bianka being at the FRC doens't mean she's the F1, nor does Brad reaching into his back pocket mean he's going for a ring either, he could be reaching for a hankie or tissue to wipe away tears.

I'm not going to get into the 2 dress theory again, but showing us one dress only, doens't mean diddly squat either, they could just be wanting us to think only one girl shows and they both could very well be attending and it ends up being a traditional 2 girl FRC where the first one gets sent home and he proposes to the second one

Going by what I've seen in the edit, I'd say that he picks Whitney.... but going by all the post show info, I'd say he picks Bianka. Wednesday will reveal which it is... and I'm so happy to not really know this season... such a treat after so many seasons of spoilers

Northern, I want your opinion on something here. At WTA, Brad told Chantelle he could not take her deeper into the process if he was not going to select her as his F1 because of who she was and her situation (not kissing a guy for 4 yrs). Bianka has been very open with Brad regarding the hurt she experienced from her last serious relationship and her storyline/obstacle has definitely been trust.

Do you believe Brad would take her to the very end, given her situation, only to let her go at F2?

I also want to point out that we hear Bianka in the preview from WTA say that she is ready to open up and that she has never felt anything like this and it's crazy but she is "so sure". I'm thinking Brad must have fully gained her trust in order for her to fall in love with him.

Would Brad gain this trust, given Bianka's vulnerability and then dump her at the FRC?

It's just my opinion, but I just can't see it. I know I've repeated my question a couple of times, but what are your thoughts on this?

Personally, I don't see Brad taking Bianka to the F2 just to dump her at the end. I think it is Bianka in the ONLY white dress arriving at the RC, they chose just to not show Whit there. But what we did see of Whit, she was storming off from Brad. Could that be him refusing her before the RC even started, sure!

jojo47 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:IMO - showing a girl in a dress doesn't spoil anything. Sleuthers figuring it out by a tan line on a finger is what's "spoiled" it. The press is still saying who he picks is unknown, so it's still an "unspoiled" ending as far as the great majority is concerned. Sleuthers figure it out many seasons, even before RS came along. Sometimes it's by a freckle, or the shape of a thumb, and this time it's by a tan line from a ring.

BUT Bianka being at the FRC doens't mean she's the F1, nor does Brad reaching into his back pocket mean he's going for a ring either, he could be reaching for a hankie or tissue to wipe away tears.

I'm not going to get into the 2 dress theory again, but showing us one dress only, doens't mean diddly squat either, they could just be wanting us to think only one girl shows and they both could very well be attending and it ends up being a traditional 2 girl FRC where the first one gets sent home and he proposes to the second one

Going by what I've seen in the edit, I'd say that he picks Whitney.... but going by all the post show info, I'd say he picks Bianka. Wednesday will reveal which it is... and I'm so happy to not really know this season... such a treat after so many seasons of spoilers

Northern, I want your opinion on something here. At WTA, Brad told Chantelle he could not take her deeper into the process if he was not going to select her as his F1 because of who she was and her situation (not kissing a guy for 4 yrs). Bianka has been very open with Brad regarding the hurt she experienced from her last serious relationship and her storyline/obstacle has definitely been trust.

Do you believe Brad would take her to the very end, given her situation, only to let her go at F2?

I also want to point out that we hear Bianka in the preview from WTA say that she is ready to open up and that she has never felt anything like this and it's crazy but she is "so sure". I'm thinking Brad must have fully gained her trust in order for her to fall in love with him.

Would Brad gain this trust, given Bianka's vulnerability and then dump her at the FRC?

It's just my opinion, but I just can't see it. I know I've repeated my question a couple of times, but what are your thoughts on this?

Although others have taken the most vulnerable to the end just to dump them at F2 (probably at the urging of MF to set them up as the next lead) my gut tells me that Brad wouldn't do that to her..... nor to anyone. I personally feel that if Brad really had his heart set on Whitney early on, Bianka wouldn't have made it past HTD's just to spare her anymore heartbreak. It can be heartbreaking for anybody in the F2 position if they have deep feelings... but the truth is that some are just more "delicate" and Bianka is definitely one of those people..... and Brad knew it!

The only thing that gives me pause that he might choose Whitney... is that he still has dreamy eyes when he's around the girl, and is always saying how happy he is. Also, I noticed in previews for LCD that Bianka is the one leaning in for the kiss at one point, and it wasn't him that initiated it. IF he does choose Bianka, I'll tip my hat to the producers as I think they've done one heck of a job producing and editing this show. This has been pretty much the Whitney show, with Bianka having a slow and steady storyline. I know I thought that with Ben and Courtney, she was too obvious of a choice.... and low and behold..... well, we all know how that ended

I don't want Brad to be that guy, the jerk that gets fooled by the manipulating witch... I want him to be the guy that sees right though her and goes for the girl that truly has deep feelings for him, and one that he can have fun and laugh with, as well as being physically attracted to. Yep, I want him to be that guy

northernviewer wrote:

jojo47 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:IMO - showing a girl in a dress doesn't spoil anything. Sleuthers figuring it out by a tan line on a finger is what's "spoiled" it. The press is still saying who he picks is unknown, so it's still an "unspoiled" ending as far as the great majority is concerned. Sleuthers figure it out many seasons, even before RS came along. Sometimes it's by a freckle, or the shape of a thumb, and this time it's by a tan line from a ring.

BUT Bianka being at the FRC doens't mean she's the F1, nor does Brad reaching into his back pocket mean he's going for a ring either, he could be reaching for a hankie or tissue to wipe away tears.

I'm not going to get into the 2 dress theory again, but showing us one dress only, doens't mean diddly squat either, they could just be wanting us to think only one girl shows and they both could very well be attending and it ends up being a traditional 2 girl FRC where the first one gets sent home and he proposes to the second one

Going by what I've seen in the edit, I'd say that he picks Whitney.... but going by all the post show info, I'd say he picks Bianka. Wednesday will reveal which it is... and I'm so happy to not really know this season... such a treat after so many seasons of spoilers

Northern, I want your opinion on something here. At WTA, Brad told Chantelle he could not take her deeper into the process if he was not going to select her as his F1 because of who she was and her situation (not kissing a guy for 4 yrs). Bianka has been very open with Brad regarding the hurt she experienced from her last serious relationship and her storyline/obstacle has definitely been trust.

Do you believe Brad would take her to the very end, given her situation, only to let her go at F2?

I also want to point out that we hear Bianka in the preview from WTA say that she is ready to open up and that she has never felt anything like this and it's crazy but she is "so sure". I'm thinking Brad must have fully gained her trust in order for her to fall in love with him.

Would Brad gain this trust, given Bianka's vulnerability and then dump her at the FRC?

It's just my opinion, but I just can't see it. I know I've repeated my question a couple of times, but what are your thoughts on this?

Although others have taken the most vulnerable to the end just to dump them at F2 (probably at the urging of MF to set them up as the next lead) my gut tells me that Brad wouldn't do that to her..... nor to anyone. I personally feel that if Brad really had his heart set on Whitney early on, Bianka wouldn't have made it past HTD's just to spare her anymore heartbreak. It can be heartbreaking for anybody in the F2 position if they have deep feelings... but the truth is that some are just more "delicate" and Bianka is definitely one of those people..... and Brad knew it!

The only thing that gives me pause that he might choose Whitney... is that he still has dreamy eyes when he's around the girl, and is always saying how happy he is. Also, I noticed in previews for LCD that Bianka is the one leaning in for the kiss at one point, and it wasn't him that initiated it. IF he does choose Bianka, I'll tip my hat to the producers as I think they've done one heck of a job producing and editing this show. This has been pretty much the Whitney show, with Bianka having a slow and steady storyline. I know I thought that with Ben and Courtney, she was too obvious of a choice.... and low and behold..... well, we all know how that ended

I don't want Brad to be that guy, the jerk that gets fooled by the manipulating witch... I want him to be the guy that sees right though her and goes for the girl that truly has deep feelings for him, and one that he can have fun and laugh with, as well as being physically attracted to. Yep, I want him to be that guy

Well, one thing for sure, this isn't the MF show so knowing that and knowing how Brad seems to be such a standup guy as well as one that does seem to really care for the women's feelings, I would like to believe that he isn't dragging Bianka to the end just to let her go.
We've also seen him as beginning to see through Whitney's crap. He is seen questioning her several times. We also see a storyline for Bianka that is far from solved as well. Will she commit to him and what's going to happen. With Whit, the storyline is basically solved right now as he realizes that there is really nothing there of substance to work with.

I dont think he will let Bianka down I will tape this ending to see how it goes does the after the final rose goes down too this wednesday night too?? So will it be 2 or 3 hours show??/

reason wrote:I dont think he will let Bianka down I will tape this ending to see how it goes does the after the final rose goes down too this wednesday night too?? So will it be 2 or 3 hours show??/

No, it is just the FRC, then the ATFR is the next Wednesday on the 28th of November.

Brill wrote:

reason wrote:I dont think he will let Bianka down I will tape this ending to see how it goes does the after the final rose goes down too this wednesday night too?? So will it be 2 or 3 hours show??/

No, it is just the FRC, then the ATFR is the next Wednesday on the 28th of November.

Thanks for the info Brill.