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Post by Admin Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:32 am

Btw, can I just say, I love Ashley's expressions with Ben like in my avatar. She's always so sweet with him! If she ends up choosing Ben, that could be a really sweet relationship. =)
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Post by sgjsnow Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:33 am

San wrote:Titou, I really do agree with your #3.

I agree too. I also wonder if in the edit if this a lead in for the next Bachelor.
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Post by Reidiscool Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:34 am

snowyglow12 wrote:I am a little sad that Ashley didn't give Ben's section a title as she did with the rest of her hometown stops.

I think it's interesting too. Also she gushes about the qualities of the families of three of the guys and doesn't gush so much over Ben's. Not quite sure what to make of it.


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Post by Diana Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:34 am

I also learned that JP gets his sweet smile from his mother, and his intellect from his dad.
heartbeat I wish we would of seen some of JP's dad.
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Post by Shelby Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:35 am

Now with JP

Romantic with JP
My last date was with JP in Long Island, New York. At this point, it felt like forever since I had seen him[/b] and I could not wait! On one of our dates I made fun of him because he said he liked rollerblading in New York City. I told him that rollerblading didn't seem like a sexy pastime for such a stud. This was my payback. He took me roller-skating hoping that I would fall on my face, but to his dismay, he was the one that fell!

But the best part of all was that I felt like I was at a middle school dance. It was romantic and silly, and I remember thinking just how happy I was in those moments. I was really nervous to meet JP's family for a different reason than he probably thought. I was scared that they wouldn't be pleased that I wasn't Jewish. Religion does not matter to me, but I had no idea how they felt about it, so I went into this date with nervousness on my shoulders.

What a relief! His family was so supportive and sweet. They were also very concerned about JP getting his heart broken. It became clear that he had a very emotional breakup that affected him greatly, and all they want is to see their son happy. I also learned that JP gets his sweet smile from his mother, and his intellect from his dad. I had so many great conversations with everyone, but the best part was seeing his Bar Mitzvah photo. Sweet mullet, JP! Now we all know why he shaves his head!

so many clues here

1. could not wait. forever. This reminds me ali who could not wait to see roberto. It has been few days but she very clearly miss JP. and he was clearly also on her mind.

2. payback. middle school. romantic and silly. how happy. Well it is extremely crystal clear to me that she is natural with JP. She loves to be silly and she loves to be teased and tease back. This is the real ashley without makeup

3. religion does not matter. scared. nervousness. Lets remember the : I want to meet your family SO bad! This is her future family in law here so of course she is scared and nervous. On top of it she realized with constantine that the guys may have some issue that she is not the same religion. Every woman in the world want to please her potential family in law. plain and simple

4. relief. supportive and sweet. so many great conversation with everyone. sweet smile from his mother and intellect from his dad. Welllll she could go on and on and on to write how she loves them and how please she is that they accepted her!

That is the way I see it Smiley


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Post by anders Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:38 am

sgjsnow wrote:
San wrote:Titou, I really do agree with your #3.

I agree too. I also wonder if in the edit if this a lead in for the next Bachelor.

he's gotten a very good edit. Next bach - I hope not, just because I dont' want him to become another victim of the Fleiss machine. Unless he has aspirations that we're not aware of, or needs the money, I see no reason for him to want it.


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Post by Shelby Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:43 am

anders wrote:
sgjsnow wrote:
San wrote:Titou, I really do agree with your #3.

I agree too. I also wonder if in the edit if this a lead in for the next Bachelor.

he's gotten a very good edit. Next bach - I hope not, just because I dont' want him to become another victim of the Fleiss machine. Unless he has aspirations that we're not aware of, or needs the money, I see no reason for him to want it.

I can be totally wrong here but I think he refused to be the next bachelor. This guy is smart and he saw what the edits did with ashley and bentley. He was skeptical to do the show but did it to promote his wine. Mission accomplished because all the girls are giggling on his estates and wish to date him and his wine has the perfect exposure now to give a boost to his business

Again NOTHING wrong there. I think it was a smart move of his part. That he fell for ashley was secondary.

Now this said. He will play the F2 bachelorette and promote it this way... back to normal life.... saying 2 times his winery in his blog... having a business connection with constantine...

Funny enough on his vlog I saw a bitter man there who said to himself: well lets use the show as much as I can now....

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Post by proudmommy50810 Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:44 am

[quote="Titou"]so much to say in her blog! I really enjoy to read her because there are tons of clues of the choice of words. Reading her and I think that it seems that abc do not censure her... Smiley

[quote]

BEN

My next stop was Sonoma. I had never been to Northern California so I was excited to see what it was all about. Sonoma is such a quaint little town, it made me feel like I was really home.

Ben's family was one of the families that surprised me the most. In my mind, I thought they were going to be loud, outgoing, and somewhat goofy like Ben. I was so surprised to see that they were quite the opposite. They were sophisticated and conservative. His mother reminded me of Coco Chanel! I was so nervous talking with her and felt somewhat intimidated.

Ben's family has been through a lot in the past few years and I sensed a guard and protectiveness over him. Watching Ben's interview brought tears to my eyes. It was nice to see him dig deep into his heart and be comfortable showing emotion that he held in for so long. This is one of the things I love to see throughout this journey. It is about finding love, but it's also about finding yourself and I'm so happy to be a part of that with Ben. Honestly, I always enjoy my time spent with Ben. He's so fun to be around and lives a truly incredible life.


1. his town is like Madawaska where she grew up... and she stated clearly that she does not want this type of life for her kids and want a big city in order to offer to her kids what she did not have. I know that SF is not far but that is her words

2. her mother intimidated her. Ashley grew up in a middle class family and it is obvious that Ben grew up in a upclass family. She did not feel confortable. She felt misplaced there. She admire the mom but I am sure she thought that she did not fit well there even tho the family was extremely nice.

3. second time that ashley is mentioning that she is happy that she helped ben in this journey. It seems that she put aside the love purpose to the open to feelings in general about ben. I see some kind of excuse here somehow: I do not love him, I did not fell for him BUT his journey was not spoiled because he found himself there

That is what I read between lines Smiley

Completely agree with #3, I thought the exact same thing!

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Post by bilolo Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:46 am

Titou nice posts, i agree with you yes
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Post by northernviewer Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:54 am

well that blog was all about JP love that's for sure, :lovekiss: and second was Constantine, not Ben at all. Things that make you go hmmmmmm


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Post by emusha Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:11 pm

Great post Titou!

Also noticed Ashley's mention of how 'accepting' JP's family were and supportive during the episode. I think Ashley's family life has been quite a strain on her and we see in the previews that her sis is giving her a hard time and not accepting/supporting her choices...I am getting a sense that this is a big deal for ashley

and the fact that JP accepts and supports her so unconditionally as well as his family vs. Ben who said "if my family doesn't accept you we can't move forward" along with his family's more aloof/conservative approach that intimidated her...I think this becomes a deciding factor


Ben's family was one of the families that surprised me the most. In my mind, I thought they were going to be loud, outgoing, and somewhat goofy like Ben. I was so surprised to see that they were quite the opposite. They were sophisticated and conservative. His mother reminded me of Coco Chanel! I was so nervous talking with her and felt somewhat intimidated.

Romantic with JP
I was scared that they wouldn't be pleased that I wasn't Jewish.

What a relief! His family was so supportive and sweet.

The whole blog kind of gave the whole thing away though really -- the wording and affection in her writing for Ben F vs. JP aren't even comparable at this point

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Post by Shelby Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:21 pm

emusha wrote:Great post Titou!

Also noticed Ashley's mention of how 'accepting' JP's family were and supportive during the episode. I think Ashley's family life has been quite a strain on her and we see in the previews that her sis is giving her a hard time and not accepting/supporting her choices...I am getting a sense that this is a big deal for ashley

and the fact that JP accepts and supports her so unconditionally as well as his family vs. Ben who said "if my family doesn't accept you we can't move forward" along with his family's more aloof/conservative approach that intimidated her...I think this becomes a deciding factor


Ben's family was one of the families that surprised me the most. In my mind, I thought they were going to be loud, outgoing, and somewhat goofy like Ben. I was so surprised to see that they were quite the opposite. They were sophisticated and conservative. His mother reminded me of Coco Chanel! I was so nervous talking with her and felt somewhat intimidated.


Romantic with JP

I was scared that they wouldn't be pleased that I wasn't Jewish.

What a relief! His family was so supportive and sweet.


not a deciding factor because I am convinced that she made her choice way before she met both families but it was for sure a relief for her to be accepted by JP's.

I totally agree that the sis not accepting her must have been a huge burden in Fidji. But the last words of the teaser are clear: I learn in this journey to trust MY decision. I fell in love and this is going to be the beginning of MY love story.

How many women in this world did not receive the approval of either of the family? I know this is very hard to live daily with that but I am sure that rarely the women stopped their relationship because their sister did not approved. In the worse scenario, they just stop seeing each other. period.

You know? I did not feel confortable about the sister at the homtown date with brad.... she was too loud... she was alsmost flirting with brad.. I thought she wanted too much attention. We NEVER heard of the mother or stepfather it was all about the sister

I am just wondering if ashley's insecurities are deaper than the alcoolic father and if her physical insecurities are connected with her sister who maybe overshadowed her personality all the time? Physically they are different right?

I have the strong feeling that her sister was always and still is jealous of ashley..... I cannot put that away from my mind.... lets remember that ashley got 2 shows... many men and very very nice ones.... she is popular, got the best hollywood attention and fashion gardrobe.... she is now a dentist... will live a fantastic life in NYC (vs a small country small town)... the sister is still there............

I dunno. This kind of remarks screams JEALOUSY to me

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