Re: VO & PI's - Discussion - Bachelorette 8 - Thread #1

[JBF]

You know, elyn, re-watching TV Grapevine, I am seeing some interesting voice match ups in the last rose ceremony. Emily is seen facing Jef saying "These nights are not fun for any of us". The camera pans on Arie when she says "and looking at all of you is just gonna get harder". Later Arie gets the "beautiful" line. (She is "excited" over a shot of both Ryan and Chris.)

They are playing a few games with us in the promo voice-overs, which have me curious. In the TV Grapevine preview, Emily says "I'm sorry" over Jef and then the camera pans on Arie just after she mentions "second guessing" her decisions. However, the end of episode #5 preview has the "I'm sorry" over John and "decisions" over Doug.

Both Doug and Arie are somewhat "intense" in their personalities and Emily mentioned in her episode #4 blog about interrupting their fight when picking up Doug for his date. We have yet to see any of this, but it is being implied in preview descriptions that Arie may have a touch of the stalker in him. He was making her "nervous" in episode #2. They show him in the promo knocking on what looks like a prison-like door. Actually it is the door we see on Monday's show to her room, but I am reminded of that "prisoner of love" comment on Sean's date. (Don't get me wrong... he may NOT be anything like they are suggesting at all. It is just peculiar the way his edit is going in the promo.)

Prisoner of love or not, Arie is a fast mover though and Emily isn't exactly fighting him off: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

We now have both Jef and John receiving "I'm sorry". She tells Jef "These nights are not fun for any of us" and John says sarcastically in the TV Grapevine preview "I love ceremonies". She mentions "heartbroken" over John on his date. Looks like John is emerging as the next Joe... the guy who gets dumped because there is nothing wrong with him except as too much of a "rival" to the one she wants.

Also.. anybody think it is odd that when Emily asks Chris Harrison who else in there is not "all about me", we get shots of five of the six guys at that ceremony... minus Jef?

[Iluvbachette]

The time, and clocks all refer to Cinderella. She had to get back before the stroke of midnight. The time she was late for the ball. Now had it of been done in the states I would of expected the Cinderella carraige like DeAnna had, being pulled by white horses. Since Jef is constantly referring to the Fairytale ending. He is Prince Charming. Should Jef and Em get married. I could see the Cinderella carriage and white horses part of their wedding for sure. I went back to double check to see if they had the time showing on Big Ben with the kiss. But they didn't.

[moonchild]

The time, and clocks all refer to Cinderella. She had to get back before the stroke of midnight. The time she was late for the ball. Now had it of been done in the states I would of expected the Cinderella carraige like DeAnna had, being pulled by white horses. Since Jef is constantly referring to the Fairytale ending. He is Prince Charming. Should Jef and Em get married. I could see the Cinderella carriage and white horses part of their wedding for sure. I went back to double check to see if they had the time showing on Big Ben with the kiss. But they didn't.

I guess they are going for the "Fairy Tale Ending" that they didn't get last season. Ben's season was all set up for the Fairy Tale, but enough said on that.

[missmilano]

You know, elyn, re-watching TV Grapevine, I am seeing some interesting voice match ups in the last rose ceremony. Emily is seen facing Jef saying "These nights are not fun for any of us". The camera pans on Arie when she says "and looking at all of you is just gonna get harder". Later Arie gets the "beautiful" line. (She is "excited" over a shot of both Ryan and Chris.)

They are playing a few games with us in the promo voice-overs, which have me curious. In the TV Grapevine preview, Emily says "I'm sorry" over Jef and then the camera pans on Arie just after she mentions "second guessing" her decisions. However, the end of episode #5 preview has the "I'm sorry" over John and "decisions" over Doug.

Both Doug and Arie are somewhat "intense" in their personalities and Emily mentioned in her episode #4 blog about interrupting their fight when picking up Doug for his date. We have yet to see any of this, but it is being implied in preview descriptions that Arie may have a touch of the stalker in him. He was making her "nervous" in episode #2. They show him in the promo knocking on what looks like a prison-like door. Actually it is the door we see on Monday's show to her room, but I am reminded of that "prisoner of love" comment on Sean's date. (Don't get me wrong... he may NOT be anything like they are suggesting at all. It is just peculiar the way his edit is going in the promo.)

Prisoner of love or not, Arie is a fast mover though and Emily isn't exactly fighting him off: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

We now have both Jef and John receiving "I'm sorry". She tells Jef "These nights are not fun for any of us" and John says sarcastically in the TV Grapevine preview "I love ceremonies". She mentions "heartbroken" over John on his date. Looks like John is emerging as the next Joe... the guy who gets dumped because there is nothing wrong with him except as too much of a "rival" to the one she wants.

Also.. anybody think it is odd that when Emily asks Chris Harrison who else in there is not "all about me", we get shots of five of the six guys at that ceremony... minus Jef?

Yup, I caught the bolded in your post too. Thought that was interesting.

[Guest]

...Also the clocks mean something... but your guess is as good as mine. Joe got one. Big Ben was shown on both Sean and Jef's date, but Jef kissed with it lit up at night. Arie got a clock at the top of the stairs, but no making out. Instead Emily was grilling him....

JBF I love your posts, do you think that the clocks have something to do with the message she put in the 1st clock with Joe, "...to stand the test of time..."

The clocks mean something; you're right. You know how the guys keep on talking about fairytales for some odd reason, particularly Jef. Well to me, the most popular fairytale in my mind is Cinderella, right? "When the clock strikes 12..." Haha, it's funny because the engagement happens after midnight...

What did their note say in the love clock on joes date...maybe something to tie the clocks together

[Guest]

...Also the clocks mean something... but your guess is as good as mine. Joe got one. Big Ben was shown on both Sean and Jef's date, but Jef kissed with it lit up at night. Arie got a clock at the top of the stairs, but no making out. Instead Emily was grilling him....

JBF I love your posts, do you think that the clocks have something to do with the message she put in the 1st clock with Joe, "...to stand the test of time..."

The clocks mean something; you're right. You know how the guys keep on talking about fairytales for some odd reason, particularly Jef. Well to me, the most popular fairytale in my mind is Cinderella, right? "When the clock strikes 12..." Haha, it's funny because the engagement happens after midnight...

What did their note say in the love clock on joes date...maybe something to tie the clocks together

[JBF]

Had to go back to abc.com and re-watch episode #2 carefully...

The wishes for the Love Clock were intended to "stand the test of time". Joe's wish was coming back to Greenbriar with her and Ricki, meeting her parents. Her wish is hazy, but basically she wanted "a love" to stand the test of time. In one way, Joe flunked the test by wishing for just an event, rather than a "test of time" something-something. Yet Emily may be equally faulty here in other ways too.

She eliminates Joe because she is not sure what "stage in life" he is in and how she and Ricki fit. When she earlier asks him what he saw "five years from now", he simply said he wanted to be happy and have no regrets. (Big boo-boo was his I'll-pack-my-bags-and-do-whatever-you-want-Dear type response.) He tells her something very important, however, that she may not have learned quite yet this season (and I am paraphrasing it here for now): not all things are planned out and you need a balance between what you can plan and what you can't. Joe's promo quote (not used in the episode... making us debate if Jef is the one speaking): "Sometimes in life you have to take a leap of faith. I want to make this happen for her, Ricky, myself." This, many of us believe, is intended for Jef... but it could apply to Emily as well since she takes a "leap" into water with Joe, John and Nate and all three get dumped eventually... also Sean later, it appears. Maybe she is struggling to just take that leap too? (Ugh! Haven't we had enough of these repeating every season?)

Somebody needs to post the complete Joe's date online sometime. There is an intriguing jump-cut edit between Joe and Emily jumping into an over-100 year old pool followed by the guys laying out by a newer pool with their bro-buddies. (Sean fans won't mind watching it just for his sunbathing peek here.) Doug then battles it out with Kalon mid-way through Joe's date about fatherhood.

Joe is essentually this season's William Holman, occuping the same spots in the first rose ceremony as "polar opposite" to Jef as Willie was with JP. He is also in the front row of the Meet & Greet photo, like William. Both Will and JP got wedding themed dates that Bentley certainly was not scheduled for, regardless of any (potentially scripted) "husband" talk Ashley gave Chris Harrison. William was spared through Chiang Mai despite the comedy roast fall-out, but Joe was axed immediately on his date and Emily started crying quite a bit as the fireworks went off, so it was pretty obvious that he was one of the Important Ones that first week. When she says to the other guys "As you know Joe went home last night", the camera pans on Jef as sort of an "it is your turn to take his place" sign.

Also, intriguingly, we get key shots of Emily with Ricki AFTER Joe's date and BEFORE Jef's date in London. Not sure if something is being implied there or not. She is working on her make-up, "perfecting" herself after Joe. Before Jef, they discuss Buckingham Palace and dragons. This could imply that Emily is not focusing enough on The Fairy Tale enough early in the process. One thing I find rather interesting is how Emily plays Tour Guide with Sean and Travis and tries to get Jef into a etiquette-course at tea time, but both wind up ditching out for fish & chips at the pub... unplanned of course.

OK... just tossing puzzle pieces out here just for everybody to try putting together...

...and maybe none of them do?