Re: Bachelorette 8 - Media - Thread #2

[nutty1]

I cannot put much into the pic of the very first night.....I don't think anyone could guess at that point who F1 is. I think its just a crap shoot!
BUT.....any excuse for me seeing a picture of Reid is a good excuse!!!

[eightfifteen]

2009... Reid and Kippy resemble body guards keeping Jillie from putting the wrong hotdog topping on. Eddie is staring out into space. Jake is so eager to be next Bach, he is practically bopping Reid's back head. "Mike Fleiss always liked you better than me!" Hey! Even Mike Stag made front row! I have noticed that the bouncy ones also get put up front... like the kid who wet the bed in Ashley's season.

I laughed so hard at this. Thanks JBF!!

[JBF]

I do have a warped sense of humor...

[LoveDovez]

I think at that stage of the game, the pic has more to do with visual aesthetics of height placement. And then possibly, one of the shortest, whom she was obviously the most attracted to, MIGHT have been placed next to her but IMHO that pic was too early for deciding F1, etc.
Jesse was also beside Deanna but I believe at that point it was because he was one of the favorites, not THE favorite (since we know that was Graham) who happened to be taller.

Agree these are just done by height. This season seems to have more shorter guys that in season past to me. I think this is taken right after she enters the house so I doubt she knows her F1.

I think this season has much shorter plus younger guys. I have to keep remembering that Em is only 26. I thought a LOT of the girls on Brad's season was too young for him and I love Brad. He's always a gentleman and I like that.I wish he and Em could have made it because he was so crazy about her. However, I guess they didn't love each other enough to change so they could mesh together.. Sad!!

[LoveDovez]

I cannot put much into the pic of the very first night.....I don't think anyone could guess at that point who F1 is. I think its just a crap shoot!
BUT.....any excuse for me seeing a picture of Reid is a good excuse!!!

I love your avatar, Nutty. Each time I see it my heart skips a beat. : )

[nikkij_26]

Why even make the point that Arie is Indy not NASCAR, racing is racing. And if he didn't mean anything to Emily, why even say anything about it at all.

Arie is a race car driver and Emily's deceased fiancee was a race car driver. Any racecar driver that would have appeared on the show whether they left the firts couple of episodes or lasted to the end would have made the 6-to-watch list just by virtue of their occupation and potential of being the sequel to Ricky Hendricks. It's something you can't escape or ignore whether Emily had a connection with the guy or sent him home the first night they would mention it because of her tragic history with Ricky. The fact that he's actually made it to the F3 and is part of a racing dynasty like Ricky, all the more adds to the reason to include him in th elist even if he doesn't end up being the F1. Potential as a lead bachelor also adds to his inclusion in the list.


The 5/6-to-watch list usually includes people for several key reasons:


1. Someone who creates drama at some point during the season or just on M&G night. (Examples, Drunk Tim, Ryan returning to FD, psycho/crazy bachelorettes, Kalon/Ryan getting into it with other bachelors or having targets on them,etc.)
2. Someone who makes an impression on the lead, Emily in this case, or early frontrunner who doesn't end up being F1.
3. Someone who, based on storyline, personality, looks, or emotional draw, has the potential to be a fan favorite and next season's Bachelor/ette lead.
4. Someone who is unique to the show and will be noticed by the media or fans making their inclusion inevitable(Celebrity, Child of celebrity, high profile occupation, first on the Bachelor/ette, etc.).
5. Someone who is the F2. Examples, Ben, Lindzi, Chris L, etc.

Examples of exceptions where the F1 was included in the 5/6-to-watch list:

1. Celebrity, even if a B, C, D-list celebrity. Child of a celebrity or high profile occupation. Shayne Lamas was key example of this. She was a celebrity, actress, child of celebrity actor Lorenzo Lamas, and child of long acting Dynasty including her grandfather & grandmother. Arie would fit into this category whether he was F1 or not because of his family and his own occupation in comparison to Ricky.
2. Creates huge drama on the show. Whether it be among their fellow contestants, with the lead, with family or behind-the-scenes. Vienna and Courtney fall into this category. Ed would be in this category as well, I don't think he was on the list however, for his leaving and returning to the show drama.
3. Major storyline or personal story. Emily and her tragic story of losing her fiancee' and having his child would fit in this category. However, Emily technically was not in the 5/6-to-watch list. The media decided to add aa separate minipage article about her when she wasn't included because her tragic story was well known, made her a psuedo-celebrity, and couldn't escape mentioning.
4. Someone who is unique or a bachelor/ette first. The first single father, first widower, first well known or weird type of occupation, etc. etc.

There really haven't been any F1's that have been included in the 5/6-to-watch list that haven't met those exceptions. Meaning they ended up being the F1 and that was the only reaason to include them in the list. There is usually a specific reason to the exception.

ETA: The fact that Emily's season hasn't finished filming also has to be taken into consideration. If it truly is a horse race than that could make inclusion in the list mean nothing or hint at the ranking of those in the list within that close horse race for F1, excluding the aforementioned exceptions for being on the list.


:Smiley:

[nutty1]

Excellent post Nikkij....helps to look at the list with more clarity. Save that post for future reference for seasons to come.

[KikiLove]

Why even make the point that Arie is Indy not NASCAR, racing is racing. And if he didn't mean anything to Emily, why even say anything about it at all.

Arie is a race car driver and Emily's deceased fiancee was a race car driver. Any racecar driver that would have appeared on the show whether they left the firts couple of episodes or lasted to the end would have made the 6-to-watch list just by virtue of their occupation and potential of being the sequel to Ricky Hendricks. It's something you can't escape or ignore whether Emily had a connection with the guy or sent him home the first night they would mention it because of her tragic history with Ricky. The fact that he's actually made it to the F3 and is part of a racing dynasty like Ricky, all the more adds to the reason to include him in th elist even if he doesn't end up being the F1. Potential as a lead bachelor also adds to his inclusion in the list.


The 5/6-to-watch list usually includes people for several key reasons:


1. Someone who creates drama at some point during the season or just on M&G night. (Examples, Drunk Tim, Ryan returning to FD, psycho/crazy bachelorettes, Kalon/Ryan getting into it with other bachelors or having targets on them,etc.)
2. Someone who makes an impression on the lead, Emily in this case, or early frontrunner who doesn't end up being F1.
3. Someone who, based on storyline, personality, looks, or emotional draw, has the potential to be a fan favorite and next season's Bachelor/ette lead.
4. Someone who is unique to the show and will be noticed by the media or fans making their inclusion inevitable(Celebrity, Child of celebrity, high profile occupation, first on the Bachelor/ette, etc.).
5. Someone who is the F2. Examples, Ben, Lindzi, Chris L, etc.

Examples of exceptions where the F1 was included in the 5/6-to-watch list:

1. Celebrity, even if a B, C, D-list celebrity. Child of a celebrity or high profile occupation. Shayne Lamas was key example of this. She was a celebrity, actress, child of celebrity actor Lorenzo Lamas, and child of long acting Dynasty including her grandfather & grandmother. Arie would fit into this category whether he was F1 or not because of his family and his own occupation in comparison to Ricky.
2. Creates huge drama on the show. Whether it be among their fellow contestants, with the lead, with family or behind-the-scenes. Vienna and Courtney fall into this category. Ed would be in this category as well, I don't think he was on the list however, for his leaving and returning to the show drama.
3. Major storyline or personal story. Emily and her tragic story of losing her fiancee' and having his child would fit in this category. However, Emily technically was not in the 5/6-to-watch list. The media decided to add aa separate minipage article about her when she wasn't included because her tragic story was well known, made her a psuedo-celebrity, and couldn't escape mentioning.
4. Someone who is unique or a bachelor/ette first. The first single father, first widower, first well known or weird type of occupation, etc. etc.

There really haven't been any F1's that have been included in the 5/6-to-watch list that haven't met those exceptions. Meaning they ended up being the F1 and that was the only reaason to include them in the list. There is usually a specific reason to the exception.

ETA: The fact that Emily's season hasn't finished filming also has to be taken into consideration. If it truly is a horse race than that could make inclusion in the list mean nothing or hint at the ranking of those in the list within that close horse race for F1, excluding the aforementioned exceptions for being on the list.


:Smiley:

You are always so to the point nikkij_26!, it's wonderful to read :Smiley:

[Love_Me]

Has anyone picked up the new issue of People? I posted a couple photos that will be in the new issue, but I would love to also read the article.

[pbmax]

Why even make the point that Arie is Indy not NASCAR, racing is racing. And if he didn't mean anything to Emily, why even say anything about it at all.

Arie is a race car driver and Emily's deceased fiancee was a race car driver. Any racecar driver that would have appeared on the show whether they left the firts couple of episodes or lasted to the end would have made the 6-to-watch list just by virtue of their occupation and potential of being the sequel to Ricky Hendricks. It's something you can't escape or ignore whether Emily had a connection with the guy or sent him home the first night they would mention it because of her tragic history with Ricky. The fact that he's actually made it to the F3 and is part of a racing dynasty like Ricky, all the more adds to the reason to include him in th elist even if he doesn't end up being the F1. Potential as a lead bachelor also adds to his inclusion in the list.


The 5/6-to-watch list usually includes people for several key reasons:


1. Someone who creates drama at some point during the season or just on M&G night. (Examples, Drunk Tim, Ryan returning to FD, psycho/crazy bachelorettes, Kalon/Ryan getting into it with other bachelors or having targets on them,etc.)
2. Someone who makes an impression on the lead, Emily in this case, or early frontrunner who doesn't end up being F1.
3. Someone who, based on storyline, personality, looks, or emotional draw, has the potential to be a fan favorite and next season's Bachelor/ette lead.
4. Someone who is unique to the show and will be noticed by the media or fans making their inclusion inevitable(Celebrity, Child of celebrity, high profile occupation, first on the Bachelor/ette, etc.).
5. Someone who is the F2. Examples, Ben, Lindzi, Chris L, etc.

Examples of exceptions where the F1 was included in the 5/6-to-watch list:

1. Celebrity, even if a B, C, D-list celebrity. Child of a celebrity or high profile occupation. Shayne Lamas was key example of this. She was a celebrity, actress, child of celebrity actor Lorenzo Lamas, and child of long acting Dynasty including her grandfather & grandmother. Arie would fit into this category whether he was F1 or not because of his family and his own occupation in comparison to Ricky.
2. Creates huge drama on the show. Whether it be among their fellow contestants, with the lead, with family or behind-the-scenes. Vienna and Courtney fall into this category. Ed would be in this category as well, I don't think he was on the list however, for his leaving and returning to the show drama.
3. Major storyline or personal story. Emily and her tragic story of losing her fiancee' and having his child would fit in this category. However, Emily technically was not in the 5/6-to-watch list. The media decided to add aa separate minipage article about her when she wasn't included because her tragic story was well known, made her a psuedo-celebrity, and couldn't escape mentioning.
4. Someone who is unique or a bachelor/ette first. The first single father, first widower, first well known or weird type of occupation, etc. etc.

There really haven't been any F1's that have been included in the 5/6-to-watch list that haven't met those exceptions. Meaning they ended up being the F1 and that was the only reaason to include them in the list. There is usually a specific reason to the exception.

ETA: The fact that Emily's season hasn't finished filming also has to be taken into consideration. If it truly is a horse race than that could make inclusion in the list mean nothing or hint at the ranking of those in the list within that close horse race for F1, excluding the aforementioned exceptions for being on the list.


:Smiley:

Yeah I hear what you saying, but it doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the person asking the question. I'm talking about CH answer, it was short and didn't go into details (why) especially if Arie is not the one Emily is falling for...she's falling for someone, because MF is saying it. He makes a point to say racing is still a big part of Emily's life, sounds like he's preparing us for something. He says Arie is Indy not NASCAR, sounds like a defensive statement to me, he's trying to separate the two(and I know they are different). Let's go back to Brad season, when the question was discussed why would Brad take Emily to F2 and break her heart especially with what she's been through, CH stated the same question, would Brad do that. I kept saying no he wouldn't do that. He was giving the answer to the question. If the racing thing hadn't been brought up, I don't think Arie would be on the list.

[Idlemess]

[quote="pbmax"]

Why even make the point that Arie is Indy not NASCAR, racing is racing. And if he didn't mean anything to Emily, why even say anything about it at all.

Yeah I hear what you saying, but it doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the person asking the question. I'm talking about CH answer, it was short and didn't go into details (why) especially if Arie is not the one Emily is falling for...she's falling for someone, because MF is saying it. He makes a point to say racing is still a big part of Emily's life, sounds like he's preparing us for something. He says Arie is Indy not NASCAR, sounds like a defensive statement to me, he's trying to separate the two(and I know they are different). Let's go back to Brad season, when the question was discussed why would Brad take Emily to F2 and break her heart especially with what she's been through, CH stated the same question, would Brad do that. I kept saying no he wouldn't do that. He was giving the answer to the question. If the racing thing hadn't been brought up, I don't think Arie would be on the list.

I took it that CH tried was attempting to separate NASCAR and Indy. I took it to mean that yeah, its all racing, but in this case it is different... my question is how? And it did come across as a response to a question about the racing connection, rather than Arie being one to watch, then again who knows

[Love_Me]

I took it that CH tried was attempting to separate NASCAR and Indy. I took it to mean that yeah, its all racing, but in this case it is different... my question is how?

NASCAR and Indycar racing are two very different sports. I found an article that was written last year that might explain the differences.

Baltimore Grand Prix: Many differences between NASCAR and IndyCar

For many in the greater Baltimore area, the Baltimore Grand Prix might be a bit of a mystery. With NASCAR dominating American racing scene, many likely have no idea what this race is all about and why it's such a big deal.

Well the first clue is ... this is an IndyCar race. Which means these are the same cars, drivers and teams that you see racing around the Indianapolis 500 in July each year. And given the Indianapolis 500 is one of the biggest sporting events in of the year, this explains some of the hype. But it still does not help those who know little or nothing about IndyCar racing.

So what exactly is IndyCar, and how does it relate to our nation's favorite auto sport, NASCAR?

The truth is, NASCAR and IndyCar are very different animals. Essentially they represent two different ideologies in racing. NASCAR - born from bootleggers running liquor in souped-up streetcars - is essentially an American sport. Whereas IndyCar racing, in spite of the Indianapolis 500 being a very America event, is closely related to Formula One, Europe's premier auto racing league. One of the biggest indicators of this difference is the high percentage of European drivers in IndyCar and the high percentage of America drivers and NASCAR.

But there are many more differences aside from this cultural gap. One of the most obvious differences is NASCAR cars are designed to resemble the cars you would drive down the street - with full bodies and fenders. This is not just an accident; it's a marketing strategy. IndyCar, on the other hand, have very little bodywork, open wheels and looks more like a fighter jet than a car.

This difference is more than just cosmetic; it has a major effect on how these cars are driven. Essentially, NASCAR is a contact sport and open wheel is not. According to Mark Sampson, chief mechanic for Chip Ganassi Racing's Novo Nordisk IndyCar racing team, "You can't hit each other in IndyCar. If you do, you will have catastrophic failures and potentially end up hurting someone."

What body parts Indy cars have, are primarily made of carbon fiber. Carbon fiber is extremely strong and light, but it also can easily shatter when loads are placed in directions that engineers didn't design for - like accidents, or any contact for that matter. Don't worry, the structural parts that protect the driver don't shatter, but wings, and other essential bits do. Luckily they have replacements parts that are designed to be swapped out in the pits.

In NASCAR, the bodies are made of rolled sheet metal. When there's an accident with these cars, pit crews fix it with a sledgehammer and some duct tape.

This highlights another very important difference between these cars, according to Sampson. Aerodynamic design is much more significant in IndyCar than it is in NASCAR. "Small changes on these cars have a major effect on performance the way the car feels, so you really have to stay on top of your changes. If you make a mistake in the aerodynamics, it will dramatically alter your position or qualifying effort," he says.

Other significant differences between these cars are Indy cars have highly sophisticated overhead cam engines that are fuel injected, whereas in NASCAR the engine is not much different from what you would find in a 60s muscle car - it even has a carburetor (for those of you who remember what that is). The wheels on NASCAR are steel and held on with lug nuts, just like on a streetcar. Whereas in IndyCar, they are magnesium, weigh less than half as much and are held on with a super-high-tech, single, fast-change wheel nut. And the frame in NASCAR it is made out of tubes of steel, whereas in an IndyCar it's an ultra-light carbon fiber monocoque design.

E.J. Viso, who drives for the KV Racing Technology-Lotus IndyCar team puts it best when explaining the difference between NASCAR and IndyCar: "They are two different things. NASCAR has streetcars adapted to be on the racetrack. Indy cars are specially made for this kind of thing. You can't even compare the two."

Then someone wrote a comment under the article I posted above.

IndyFan: Wow, Mr. Vohr. You clearly are a NASCAR fan, since you have no idea that the Indianapolis 500 (the world's largest single day sporting event) is on MEMORIAL DAY in MAY! Not July!? Plus, you make it sound like contact is the only important thing in racing. As someone who loves Indy, what we love is watching TK move from 27th to 3rd on a street course with few passing opportunities, or watching them go from 170mph to less than 40mph in a few seconds and still come two wide around Turn 1 of that course. And when there is a big wreck, such as TK and Helio in practice the morning of the race, the fact that those cars disintegrate actually helps them walk away with aches and pains instead of broken bones. I don't cheer the crashes, but they can be incredible to watch as well, just for the sheer physics of them

Maybe someone can explain the differences better.

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