Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
Wow that design/location for Matt and Rachel at the end was so weird! Why was there a fireplace outside?? "I see you as the mother of my children." Oops!!
I know we can reach the stars, You've already hung the moon
No, I never knew a love like this, Now we're picking purple irises
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
He broke up with her on the phone. Geeze at least Arie and Jason had the guts to do it in person/on camera. Surprised the show didn't ask for audio recording!
This is so awkward watching Matt and Rachael.. you can tell he's hurt and she's just sitting there. Ooh girl take your hand off his shoulder! The nerve trying to "be there for him".
This is so awkward watching Matt and Rachael.. you can tell he's hurt and she's just sitting there. Ooh girl take your hand off his shoulder! The nerve trying to "be there for him".
I know we can reach the stars, You've already hung the moon
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
Matt was sitting there hurt and she was smiling
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
I personally don't find it odd that their breakup wasn't shown to us. Apart from the general difficulties of a breakup itself, the topics leading to the one between M&R are very heavy and I think in the current climate, I'm not completely sold the viewers would really understand where he was coming from, not at least without some sort of defense. From what we could see there are a lot of people defending Rachael in spite of what she's been associated with.
The show has IMO exploited him enough to not include this for ratings, he looked very hurt and broken to me.
The show has IMO exploited him enough to not include this for ratings, he looked very hurt and broken to me.
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
Well good bye to the most exhausting season ever. I'm not sure how I feel about the ATFR. I like EA, but Matt is in so much pain and I don't see EA as being a trained therapist to talk him through this. It was kind of abrupt to me rather than painful. These questions aren't so hard, as much as it's that the tptb never "go there". The long pauses from Matt were an indication to me that he was so uncomfortable and that "we" did not need to see him be handled once again by production.
It was indeed a strange ATFR and the announcements of Katie and Michelle were rushed and might better have come tomorrow on GMA or some such.
I like Matt and was so looking forward to his season. To me, it was a disaster on every level and I blame tptb. Matt was also not ready to deal with his feelings and instead of helping him, production tried to sell it to us for "entertainment". Biggest train wreck I've ever seen.
It was indeed a strange ATFR and the announcements of Katie and Michelle were rushed and might better have come tomorrow on GMA or some such.
I like Matt and was so looking forward to his season. To me, it was a disaster on every level and I blame tptb. Matt was also not ready to deal with his feelings and instead of helping him, production tried to sell it to us for "entertainment". Biggest train wreck I've ever seen.
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
This won't be popular I'm sure but Chris shouldn't have been fired. We all need to be shown grace in times of trials.
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
I wonder why they were unhappy with Matt for his lack of experience on the show (apart from the lack of a proposal.) It seemed to me that he did whatever they asked of him, and he had the scripted responses down pat. I don't think he was the best bachelor, but it's not like we haven't had other mediocre bachelors.
I thought it was hilarious when Michelle called him out for kissing with his eyes open, and repeatedly saying, "Thank you for sharing that."
I saw Matt's long silences last night as being more about his lack of ability to verbalize complex feelings. IMO this goes along with his need for therapy.
I thought it was hilarious when Michelle called him out for kissing with his eyes open, and repeatedly saying, "Thank you for sharing that."
I saw Matt's long silences last night as being more about his lack of ability to verbalize complex feelings. IMO this goes along with his need for therapy.
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
I didn’t catch the ATFR but saw the YouTube clips and read online. I feel very sad for Matt with everything TPTB & Rachael put him through. I can’t watch this franchise anymore as I don’t see it as harmless entertainment. Unfortunately, I don’t believe TPTB will ever change the franchise in a meaningful way. In time and with healing I do hope Matt will come out of this stronger—I think he probably will and that will be the silver lining to this disaster of a season. jmo
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
albean99 wrote:That was so uncomfortable! Matt clearly didn't want to be there or to talk to Rachael. Overall I thought Emmanual did a great job but he didn't read Matt very well at that time and shouldn't have asked for a hug. I hope that Racheal is truly wanting to educate herself but it's not going to help get back this relationship.
I'm so happy to have a couple of Bachelorette seasons! I like both of them and am excited that Michelle gets her own chance, especially after what she went through. Hoping for two happy endings.
I agree, that was sad to watch Matt but I admire his strength to do what was right for him. Rachael is very young and has much to learn which will come with time and maturity.
Hoping for happier seasons with Katie and Michelle.
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
I really thought Matt's conversation with Neil Lane was good. I imagine that Neil was surprised by it, but appreciated the fact he didn't pressure Matt about needing to propose.
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
Okay, I started out watching Matt's season but quickly lost interest in it. So I only watched the AFTR last night. Wow!! Matt's body language was definitely telling a story of it's own. I couldn't quite decide who he was the most angry AT or with. Or is upset the better word? Either way it was obvious to me that he did not want to be there at all, but he was contractually obligated. Therefore, it almost felt like a hostage situation.
And I felt like that big bushy beard of his was a defense mechanism that perhaps provided him with some cover. Because there was a lot going on inside that he was suppressing. All in all, that conversation with Racheal was just uncomfortable to watch. And the fact that he was unable or unwilling to "hug it out" with her on national television ended up leaving even more questions.
IMO TPTB made a rash and hurried decision to pick a black man for the Bachelor franchise, and unfortunately Matt turned out to be the wrong choice.
And I felt like that big bushy beard of his was a defense mechanism that perhaps provided him with some cover. Because there was a lot going on inside that he was suppressing. All in all, that conversation with Racheal was just uncomfortable to watch. And the fact that he was unable or unwilling to "hug it out" with her on national television ended up leaving even more questions.
IMO TPTB made a rash and hurried decision to pick a black man for the Bachelor franchise, and unfortunately Matt turned out to be the wrong choice.
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Re: Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Mar 15 (Finale) - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
Ratings:
https://www.tvfanatic.com/2021/03/tv-ratings-the-bachelor-finale-slips-americas-most-wanted-reviva/
The latest controversial season of The Bachelor ended down considerably from last year.
The season finale drew 5.75 million total viewers and a 1.4 rating -- way down from the 7.7 million/2.2 rating it pulled in last year.
An After The Final Rose (5.3 million/1.3 rating) special was also down double digits.
https://www.tvfanatic.com/2021/03/tv-ratings-the-bachelor-finale-slips-americas-most-wanted-reviva/
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