Bachelorette 17 - Katie Thurston - Media SM - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

@Aunties_Love I agree. I think once we view the fight hopefully we will know more if not too edited. I also wonder if at HTD family hint at Greg’s career path ?
I think many leads would react in some form post filming if the potential f1-2 was exposed to have been there under false pretence and led them into thinking otherwise. Especially if the lead has made it crystal clear what she wants. Didnt HannahB like several posts after her f1 was exposed? She also sent someone home early for not being there for right reason. Plus if I remember correctly the f1s HTD had red flags.
Imo what adds to Katie’s frustration is that Greg thanks to the his edit is a fan favourite. It’s probable that he is a nice guy just wanting fame and not a GF. However no excuse for dishonesty.
I might be in the minority in this but I hear the words both Katie and greg are speaking but imo their actions/intimacy don’t match. Yes they kiss but it’s the touching, body language and small gestures that r missing for me.

Chasing clout is par for the course, but it's the dishonesty about his acting background that bothers me. It seems shady.

Loulou wrote:@Aunties_Love I agree.  I think once we view the fight hopefully we will know more if not too edited. I also wonder if at HTD family hint at Greg’s career path ?  
I think many leads would react in some form post filming if the  potential f1-2 was exposed to have been there under false pretence and led them into thinking otherwise. Especially if the lead has made it crystal clear what she wants.  Didnt HannahB like several posts after her f1 was exposed? She also sent someone home early for not being there for right reason. Plus if I remember correctly the f1s HTD had red flags.  
Imo what adds to Katie’s frustration is that Greg thanks to the his edit is a fan favourite.  It’s probable that he is a nice guy just wanting fame and not a GF. However no excuse for dishonesty.  
I might be in the minority in this but I hear the words both Katie and greg are speaking but imo their actions/intimacy don’t match.  Yes they kiss but it’s the touching, body language and small gestures that r missing for me.  

I see exactly what you are seeing with the bolded. Words only take you so far with this.....the actions have to resonate as well. IMO, that is only happening with Blake. I could see her actually quite fed up with Greg as it seems he isn't there for the right reasons. now post season, I can see her being hurt knowing the truth that Greg was there for his career and that's it. Then I can also see Blake giving her what she needs.

Amethyst wrote:Chasing clout is par for the course, but it's the dishonesty about his acting background that bothers me. It seems shady.

GuardianAngel wrote:I'm really trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she's not helping at all. I didn't care for her in the beginning and rather than her growing on me she continues to prove my initial instincts.

Did she not listen to him when he told her about the bullying?

That's just very mean whether he's the F1 or not. If she wants to play SM games, do it on herself, and don't include other's who aren't in a position to respond.

Sex positive and all that BS but it's ok to be mean to others. It's childish and very immature imo.

I completely agree with you. I've been watching this season silently – I was not super into Katie at the beginning of this, but wanted to give her a shot. What bothers me is her making decisions based on hearsay (which she has done several times). For a person who was portrayed as the antibullying queen of justice on Matt's season, I feel like she lacks empathy at times and executes things in a necessarily cruel way (like calling out guys during the rose ceremony) which is supposed to come off as a power move. To me, she lacks confidence in her own decisions and indulges in pitting the guys against each other, although perhaps she does it subconsciously and there's no malicious intent behind it.

I don't really enjoy her SM activities either, to me it's calculated, disingenuous, and manipulative. Of course, maybe she's being pushed by the producers and this will be the new SM strategy we'll see from other leads. I don't see the charm in this as much as other people do, but it's only my opinion.

limoncello wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:I'm really trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she's not helping at all. I didn't care for her in the beginning and rather than her growing on me she continues to prove my initial instincts.

Did she not listen to him when he told her about the bullying?

That's just very mean whether he's the F1 or not. If she wants to play SM games, do it on herself, and don't include other's who aren't in a position to respond.

Sex positive and all that BS but it's ok to be mean to others. It's childish and very immature imo.

I completely agree with you. I've been watching this season silently – I was not super into Katie at the beginning of this, but wanted to give her a shot. What bothers me is her making decisions based on hearsay (which she has done several times). For a person who was portrayed as the antibullying queen of justice on Matt's season, I feel like she lacks empathy at times and executes things in a necessarily cruel way (like calling out guys during the rose ceremony) which is supposed to come off as a power move. To me, she lacks confidence in her own decisions and indulges in pitting the guys against each other, although perhaps she does it subconsciously and there's no malicious intent behind it.

I don't really enjoy her SM activities either, to me it's calculated, disingenuous, and manipulative. Of course, maybe she's being pushed by the producers and this will be the new SM strategy we'll see from other leads. I don't see the charm in this as much as other people do, but it's only my opinion.

I agree as well. I am not enjoying her season at all. I tried giving her a shot but she contradicts her stand on being mean. This was the whole reason she got the Bachelorette gig. The producers portrayed her as standing up to the mean girls on Matt’s season. I did not like the way she let Thomas go no matter what he did. To do that in front of the guys was mean. I also am tired of hearing the phrase sex positive. The dates this season have been awkward; Katie’s one week rule was just uncomfortable.

Some of her social media activities also have been mean. The whole Greg meme that his sister defended is a good example. Also, Andrew has never apologized for his past social media posts that were not good. Justin did. Yet, Katie who claims to be an ally for Rachel L., tweeted out Andrew for Bachelor. If he acknowledged and apologized, I would be fine with that. But, I think Katie also doesn’t want Greg to be the Bachelor. I am hunk the edit the fight gets will be telling. If Greg isn’t shown in a negative light, I think he might get it.

I also think Katie should just focus on being happy and happy engaged rather than being bitter towards anyone on her season. JMO.

I will say - if Greg was in fact acting all along - my feeling about him will change completely. A rotten thing to do - and I wouldn't think he would have any friends from the show - at all ! Nothing seems to indicate that that is what he did tho. He was well-liked and not at all smooth with Katie. He was sensitive to other people - just didn't seem like someone who was taking advantage of others. He may have gone on the show initially to promote his interest in acting - but I think he found himself unexpectedly falling for Katie.

CHO wrote:I will say - if Greg was in fact acting all along - my feeling about him will change completely.  A rotten thing to do - and I wouldn't think he would have any friends from the show - at all !  Nothing seems to indicate that that is what he did tho.  He was well-liked and not at all smooth with Katie.  He was sensitive to other people - just didn't seem like someone who was taking advantage of others.  He may have gone on the show initially to promote his interest in acting - but I think he found himself unexpectedly falling for Katie.

I agree with everything you said about Greg. I think he is awkward around Katie as he probably didn’t expect to fall for her. The timing of the fight will be interesting. If the fight starts before the fantasy suite dates start, then I’ll wonder if just wanted out or didn’t want to propose. Katie’s made it clear she wants an engagement. However, if Blake had his fantasy suite date first, then I don’t blame Greg for questioning Katie. I just don’t understand why they would fight for hours if he wasn’t her true F1. She could have just bye if Blake was her F1.

I feel two different ways about Katie.

If I look at her as an individual, she's not someone who carries a lot of interest for me. I would never follow her on social media. IMO she seems rather unformed and immature (which probably goes a long way towards explaining the attraction that she and Greg have for each other.) As of this time, she hasn't come across as the sharpest tack in the box. Yet at the same time she spouts opinions and lectures people like she has tons of life experience under her belt. She doesn't. She comes across like an 8-year old telling the adults how things are going to be. Umm, no kid.

As a bachelorette, she's been fine. For better or worse, she's decisive and forthright. On a positive note, she carried some very nice men to the F7. She's not my favorite bachelorette, but IMO she's fulfilled the role more than adequately.

Amethyst wrote:Chasing clout is par for the course, but it's the dishonesty about his acting background that bothers me. It seems shady.

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t see the issue with him going to acting school. With that mindset, no actor or actress is honest? Him wanting to be an actor doesn’t automatically mean he’s lying about his feelings.

sportsgirl94 wrote:

limoncello wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:I'm really trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she's not helping at all. I didn't care for her in the beginning and rather than her growing on me she continues to prove my initial instincts.

Did she not listen to him when he told her about the bullying?

That's just very mean whether he's the F1 or not. If she wants to play SM games, do it on herself, and don't include other's who aren't in a position to respond.

Sex positive and all that BS but it's ok to be mean to others. It's childish and very immature imo.

I completely agree with you. I've been watching this season silently – I was not super into Katie at the beginning of this, but wanted to give her a shot. What bothers me is her making decisions based on hearsay (which she has done several times). For a person who was portrayed as the antibullying queen of justice on Matt's season, I feel like she lacks empathy at times and executes things in a necessarily cruel way (like calling out guys during the rose ceremony) which is supposed to come off as a power move. To me, she lacks confidence in her own decisions and indulges in pitting the guys against each other, although perhaps she does it subconsciously and there's no malicious intent behind it.

I don't really enjoy her SM activities either, to me it's calculated, disingenuous, and manipulative. Of course, maybe she's being pushed by the producers and this will be the new SM strategy we'll see from other leads. I don't see the charm in this as much as other people do, but it's only my opinion.

I agree as well.  I am not enjoying her season at all.  I tried giving her a shot but she contradicts her stand on being mean.  This was the whole reason she got the Bachelorette gig.  The producers portrayed her as standing up to the mean girls on Matt’s season.  I did not like the way she let Thomas go no matter what he did.  To do that in front of the guys was mean.  I also am tired of hearing the phrase sex positive.  The dates this season have been awkward; Katie’s one week rule was just uncomfortable.

Some of her social media activities also have been mean.  The whole Greg meme that his sister defended is a good example.  Also, Andrew has never apologized for his past social media posts that were not good.  Justin did.  Yet, Katie who claims to be an ally for Rachel L., tweeted out Andrew for Bachelor.  If he acknowledged and apologized, I would be fine with that.  But, I think Katie also doesn’t want Greg to be the Bachelor.  I am hunk the edit the fight gets will be telling.  If Greg isn’t shown in a negative light, I think he might get it.  

I also think Katie should just focus on being happy and happy engaged rather than being bitter towards anyone on her season.  JMO.

ITA with the bolded parts.

For Andrew’s old tweets: I believe people can change and grow, but they should acknowledge their mistakes first. Even though those tweets are old, I still think now after they are discovered Andrew should at least address these issues. So, not so fast to support him to be the next leaf. All Jmo.

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/3278189/what-did-bachelorette-andrew-spencer-old-tweets-say/

For Katie: it doesn’t matter to me if she picked Blake or not, but if she did, isn’t this the time to focus on your guy and the new relationship, instead of liking mean memes or “playing games’” with fans on Sm?
But what do I know? Maybe that’s her way to get engaged with the viewers and drum up internet for the show.

All Jmo.

Bachhh022 wrote:

Amethyst wrote:Chasing clout is par for the course, but it's the dishonesty about his acting background that bothers me. It seems shady.

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t see the issue with him going to acting school. With that mindset, no actor or actress is honest? Him wanting to be an actor doesn’t automatically mean he’s lying about his feelings.

It's not the going to acting school that bothers me, it the fact that he went to great efforts to wipe it from his social media before appearing on the show. Plus evidently he was only doing his marketing job for a few months before filming began -- he may or may not have been doing that to hide his acting background, but that's how it comes off to me. If he discussed his acting training with Katie, it either hasn't shown up in the edit, or I missed it.

IMO if you have two years of acting training, just be honest about it. Surely he knows that the fans are going to track that kind of thing down.

I’ve found Katie decisive until the last epi. I now question, retroactively, the degree to which she is consciously making good tv vs authentically portraying her relationships. What put me in questioning mode was her last scene with Andrew. IMO it was not only OT - the stairwell scene even without the dramatic romcom music - but her inviting him back could have resulted in him saying yes which would have caused chaos back at the house particularity because it would mean a crucial HTD. That would have JMO fed insecurity among the other guys at a time that it would be beneficial for each to feel confident about introducing family members. Andrew didn’t stay but Katie set the stage for that to happen.
It’s a head scratcher for me as to why she was prepared to take the risk especially since Greg continued to exhibit insecurity, Blake had limited time, and Micheal would be involving a child.