Bachelorette 17 - Katie Thurston - Media SM - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Amethyst wrote:Someone over on Reddit who stayed at Tamaya after the season wrapped (and who talked to the staff there,) said that the fight was so bad that it required the intervention of both the production staff and the resort staff.

If this is in fact true, I just don’t get it. Especially if Greg is not intended F1, just walk away. Or is she the one who wouldn’t let go? I’m both baffled & curious.

Amethyst wrote:Someone over on Reddit who stayed at Tamaya after the season wrapped (and who talked to the staff there,) said that the fight was so bad that it required the intervention of both the production staff and the resort staff.

Sounds toxic. Hope it’s just a rumor.

notarose wrote:

Amethyst wrote:Someone over on Reddit who stayed at Tamaya after the season wrapped (and who talked to the staff there,) said that the fight was so bad that it required the intervention of both the production staff and the resort staff.

Sounds toxic. Hope it’s just a rumor.

The poster said there was an altercation that had to be broken up but didn’t specify whether it was between the guys or Katie and Greg. Could’ve even been the toxic production crew, ! This was tea spilled by the Tamaya staff.

[More unverified tea]

On a somewhat more humorous note, they also said that the cast members were hitting on the female bartender that the resort provided, to the point where the Bach production team asked that she be switched out with someone else. I have no idea if that was early on in the season, or what. I guess some of the cast members were "not there for the right reasons."

luvnunity wrote:

notarose wrote:

Amethyst wrote:Someone over on Reddit who stayed at Tamaya after the season wrapped (and who talked to the staff there,) said that the fight was so bad that it required the intervention of both the production staff and the resort staff.

Sounds toxic. Hope it’s just a rumor.

The poster said there was an altercation that had to be broken up but didn’t specify whether it was between the guys or Katie and Greg.  Could’ve even been the toxic production crew, !  This was tea spilled by the Tamaya staff.

Ahh. I took it to be the fight between Katie and (?) Greg.

jojo47 wrote:

Amethyst wrote:Someone over on Reddit who stayed at Tamaya after the season wrapped (and who talked to the staff there,) said that the fight was so bad that it required the intervention of both the production staff and the resort staff.

If this is in fact true, I just don’t get it. Especially if Greg is not intended F1, just walk away. Or is she the one who wouldn’t let go? I’m both baffled & curious.

Yeah because you just don't carry on that way with someone you don't care strongly for. If Blake was the one that had her heart then seems like she would have walked away.

@Amethyst  It has been said that the opposite of love isn't hate (villian), it's indifference.  Seems like a lot of passion in the fight.

pavalygurl wrote:@Amethyst  It has been said that the opposite of love isn't hate (villian), it's indifference.  Seems like a lot of passion in the fight.

More and more, I'm wondering if it will be like the blowup Rachel Lindsay had with Peter Kraus, because he just couldn't do it. I think for Greg it may be the same deal, but perhaps for different reasons.

If those rumours are true and these two fought like that, imo they are not right for each other.

@Amethyst I was thinking the same. Why did Rachel put up with Peter in that horrid scene when she knew who her F1 was all along and it wasn't Peter. MO she was trying to bring out the vulnerability out of Peter setting him up for the next bach.

Someone refresh my memory. Does Greg make it to the FS? Did she have sex before his FS and that's what threw him over the edge?

Amethyst wrote:@alwayscooking and @notarose, I agree with you both. I have no real idea what Katie means when she says that she is sex positive, other than that she appears to like sex and doesn't mind talking about it. But if she's so "sex positive," why is she trying to control what the men do on their own, in the privacy of their suites? That makes zero sense.

When Katie says, “I have sex in the fantasy suites, so you heard it here first. We all know it happens, but no one’s talking about it!" Well, there have been leads who have talked about it in the past. Some have sex with their F1, some with two or more of the finalists, and some not at all. My feeling is that I really don't need to know about it. That's between the lead and the finalists. But Katie is hardly the first lead to talk about it.

Perhaps she means that she doesn't want to be shamed or judged for her sexual choices, whatever they may be, which is fine. But if that's the case, why does she keep talking about it?

@luvnunity, I think that Greg turns out to be the "villain" as well. To me, Blake is far too laid back, and also too savvy about how the show operates, to blow it at this point. I think that Greg's insecurities will get the better of him.

IMO Guilt. The talking is a way of deflecting her own guilt. She even said she felt guilty over what happened when she was assaulted because she had been drinking. I've seen the same behaviour in other women who went through something similar...until they accepted what happened to them. Katie never mentioned that she had any therapy after the assault. If she hasn't, she should. Despite all the sex positive talk, I don't think she has still come to terms with what occurred.

I think there are some promo screen shots that make it seem like Greg makes it to fantasy suites (he is looking out the window, morning time?) but we don't know for sure. I have the same question. Who knows how filming really occurred vs how they might show it but this fight happens on an off day so a couple of scenarios are: Greg has an overnight, day off, someone else has an overnight, that day off they fight; OR someone has an overnight and they fight the very next day before Greg even has his overnight date. There are a few more possibilities but these 2 seem the most likely to me. I wonder who the 3rd guy was, are we certain it is Andrew? I just wonder if because of this fight if there will not be the three overnights we usually have. Sorry if my rambling is clear as mud. As to the other rumor I love Dez and would love to see her at anytime.

Imo Katie is an opinionated young woman with strong views on various topics. If Greg questioned, criticised, judged, condemned, mislead her I can see her reacting over several hours.  Argue, leave, think about what was said, get frustrated, go back, argue her case again/clarify, leave - repeat.  Imo this would happen regardless if Greg was potentially f1 or f2.   Katie has reassure Greg several times however imo I think last ep or maybe ep before she was worried he was going to leave.  Why wait to reassure and why not give him a special rose or GD rose if definitely f1?  Greg stated he would stay regardless of the process so I’m sure this would have annoyed Katie who has stated repeatedly if u r not there to b engaged then go home.  Why would Greg wait until f3 before wanting to leave?  Greg knew the process at f6/5/4.  He expressed he was supposedly falling for her at f10.  
Maybe im suspicious of the producers or maybe of the rumours of Greg, his acting career that disappeared from his sm and his maybe aspirations of being bachelor? I’m not saying he is a bad guy but he was meant to be on C/T season so didn’t apply due to katie. He was well liked in the house by the guys.
If Katie does see Greg as the ‘real’ villain it must be annoying that he is popular with the viewers.  She is promoting many of the other guys on sm.  Question - did she state post filming Greg was the best kisser ?  If this is true is it justification?  All just random thoughts.
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