Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Media SM - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Something definitely happened behind the scene to make these ladies side eye Katie.. I also honestly side eye Katie... 

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@Ruqibabe I hate when they hint at something but refuse to explain. That just serves to build speculation and toxicity.

I side eye pretty much all of them. Mari also seems to be trying to defend her actions last night. She is now saying that she wasn't defending MJ's actions, but last night she left that part out. Yes, I get that by saying MJ wasn't fake is different than defending her actions, but not everyone is going to get that distinction. That is semantics. She is basically saying ... yeah she was mean, but she was authentic about it. Who cares. She was still nasty.

I think many are p*ssed at Katie because she got a good edit, lots of screen time, was probably a production fav and has/had a serious shot at being the Bette. Their beef with her seems to be that she was all up Sarah's grill until they had that serious talk about Sarah's dad. I don't get why she is not allowed to change her mind? Was it calculating? I don't know, but that doesn't change the fact that she was stood up to some of the worst nasty/bitchy/bullying I have ever seen from this show. Maybe some others did as well, but we didn't see that and if that wasn't shown, that had nothing to do with Katie since that is a production choice.

I also don't understand why they went all soft on Victoria and let her continue to bully people last night? Her behaviour was totally glossed over and in fact, they left her comedic "literally" skit for the closing credits. In addition, Matt and some of the others were apologizing to her. Disgusting.

@Sprite I get what you are saying BUT when a whole bunch of them said we don't know the full story, I am inclined to believe them. There is more to this Katie story in my opinion. We would have to wait until contract expires. 

They called out Victoria yesterday especially when she started gaslighting Ryan. If they piled on, they would still be targeted by the same viewers complaining about them keeping silent. I am willing to give them a pass since a few of them spoke up last night.. 

JMO

@Sprite @Ruqibabe What I don't get is the real quality women, Kaylah, Abigail, and others, didn't say a word about the drama. It's like one group of drama queens against the others. I think Katie is outspoken, as is MJ and Victoria, but I could never cast Katie in the same league as the other two. I know editing doesn't tell the entire story but Katie had a decent edit last night. MJ not so much, Victoria - who cares about her. I actually thought Anna was very sincere. Messy season from the women and then bring in Matt's dad, who he hasn't seen for a long time, and then add the racial overtones - this season is toast.

Norcalgal wrote:@Sprite @Ruqibabe What I don't get is the real quality women, Kaylah, Abigail, and others, didn't say a word about the drama. It's like one group of drama queens against the others. I think Katie is outspoken, as is MJ and Victoria, but I could never cast Katie in the same league as the other two. I know editing doesn't tell the entire story but Katie had a decent edit last night. MJ not so much, Victoria - who cares about her. I actually thought Anna was very sincere. Messy season from the women and then bring in Matt's dad, who he hasn't seen for a long time, and then add the racial overtones - this season is toast.

Totally agree. None of the quality women said anything. If I had to chose between the nasty women and Katie, like you I would be more inclined to side with Katie. I have seen the issues that they have had on with other people on the show and I am inclined to think there are similar issues continuing with her. No doubt she isn't perfect, but until I see what they are hinting at, sorry, not buying it.

Anna was the only one of the mean girls who seemed to be genuine about her apology and upset with herself for what she did. (I actually thought she realized that while she was on the show. Not excusing her by any means, but I think production manipulated her while she was drunk and when she sobered, she knew she had gone too far.) Either way, she was the only one who even remotely seemed like she had learned from her mistakes.

Matt's dad...I had hoped...silly me...that tptb couldn't go any lower this season. Naturally I was wrong. I don't know if I have the stomach left to watch that.

@Norcalgal Yesss. I absolutely think this season of the bachelor was over prodcued.. I think the producers sabotaged Maty's season. There was so much content that they could air. They DIDNT have to use 3 episodes on Sarah's exit.. They didn't have to allow Brittany's alleged escort drama to air. Their script had the hero and villians. They needed people to fit the script and tell the story their way. There were so many content that we saw yesterday that could have made the show enjoyable. Bringing Matt's dad is on a different messy level.. i wonder if they really want their leads to find love.. I aint sure.. 
JMO

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From RS’s column today:

Matt and Rachael are broken up, there will be no reconciliation happening at the ATFR, nor will anything happen with Bri or Michelle either. Matt seems to be content on leaving this thing as a single man, and frankly, seems to be done with this franchise.

gabriele wrote:From RS’s column today:

Matt and Rachael are broken up, there will be no reconciliation happening at the ATFR, nor will anything happen with Bri or Michelle either. Matt seems to be content on leaving this thing as a single man, and frankly, seems to be done with this franchise.

I really can't blame him if this is indeed how it works out. I feel like I need a good scrub after every episode. I can't imagine what he felt like having to deal with all this while filming and then watching now. That's not even having to deal with all the racist stuff brought up about Rachael and CH. He probably can't wash the stench off.

Is Chris Harrison trying to save his hosting job by going on GMA? I am glad that he won't be on ATFR, but is he hoping to be back to hosting for The Bachelorette?

@Sprite I’m trying to play out the conversations between Matt/Bri and Matt/Michelle on ATFR based on what we think happens with Bri F3 and Michelle F2. I can see the conversation with Bri being fairly similar to other F3s, but with Michelle there is the whole issue of her being brought in late, 9 days into filming. I think it was 2 days after Michelle’s 1-1 (so day 11) when Matt and Rachael had their 1-1 and said they were falling in love with each other (crazy, but whatever). I was watching one of Emmanuel’s videos and he suggests thinking about White privilege as giving a White person a 200 meter head start in a race and then letting the Black person start, and how that’s not a fair race. I wonder if that analogy will be brought up when Michelle and Matt sit with Emmanuel, because it seems fitting with Michelle’s experience.

All IMO

@mbl It all reminds me of this video. I was aware of all of this, but having it shown like this is so powerful. It has stayed with me since the first time I saw it.