Bachelor 25 - Matt James - Media SM - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

CHO wrote:I think both Rachel L and Chris H could have handled the interview differently.  Chris H was representing the producers/network etc - so he should have been more careful in what he said, regardless of how he felt personally.  In my opinion - from what I have read over the years - Rachel has been upset for a long time.  She has sounded hurt and angry to me for quite a while.  She has now found a platform for expressing that hurt - and this is all fine.  Perhaps if there had been more patience on both their parts - more give and take - more kindness - then there could have been a better outcome to the interview.  Maybe more learned and less resented.   I don't pretend to know everything that has gone on betw Chris H and Rachel L - but she did meet her husband through the program - and I believe Chris H married  the couple in a wedding paid for by the franchise.  It seems a shame that the outcome of all of that - had to be this.  Right or wrong - we are all learning - and we all have made mistakes - and it takes time.  The producers - and Chris H are certainly entitled to feel the way they do - and produce the show they want to produce imo.  And Rachel is certainly entitled to feel the way she does.  Chris H grew up in a different time (he's 25 yrs older than most contestants)  - and in a particular area of the US.   I am in no way excusing the attitudes - maybe those attitudes are not right - or not fair - but change takes time.  Sometimes a lot of time.  Chris' mistake was letting his personal feelings be aired publicly in behalf of a show.  But I wonder what the purpose of the interview was.  Rachael K's past was discovered.  Maybe the franchise knew - most likely they did.  Rachael K and others live in our country ... I personally don't agree with her past views (whatever they are now) but watching the show I have gotten no indication of her views on the show so I haven't been offended.  Should she not be allowed to be on the show ?  Is it not up to Matt to decide who he  thinks he wants?  Is it Chris H's - or Rachel L's  for that matter - position to take a stand on Rachel's apparent views ?  The show seems to be showcasing several nasty girls - who are assuming/accusing/calling out and trying to get others to join in with them.  Alot of us are tired of seeing all the bickering and hatred.  Why is the issue betw Chris H and Rachel L occurring now - outside the show ?  Haven't we had enough ?  Chris H - in my opinion - has been a great part to the franchise. We've had our laughts about his pre-set comments every episodes but he has served as the on show confidant and helped contestants see the error of their ways on the ATFR show.  He has seemed to celebrate the love when it happens.  He has seemed to be well - liked.  I personally hope he will be back.

CHO wrote:I think both Rachel L and Chris H could have handled the interview differently.  Chris H was representing the procers/network etc - so he should have been more careful in what he said, regardless of how he felt personally.  In my opinion - from what I have read over the years - Rachel has been upset for a long time.  She has sounded hurt and angry to me for quite a while.  She has now found a platform for expressing that hurt - and this is all fine.  Perhaps if there had been more patience on both their parts - more give and take - more kindness - then there could have been a better outcome to the interview.  Maybe more learned and less resented.   I don't pretend to know everything that has gone on betw Chris H and Rachel L - but she did meet her husband through the program - and I believe Chris H married  the couple in a wedding paid for by the franchise.  It seems a shame that the outcome of all of that - had to be this.  Right or wrong - we are all learning - and we all have made mistakes - and it takes time.  The producers - and Chris H are certainly entitled to feel the way they do - and produce the show they want to produce imo.  And Rachel is certainly entitled to feel the way she does.  Chris H grew up in a different time (he's 25 yrs older than most contestants)  - and in a particular area of the US.   I am in no way excusing the attitudes - maybe those attitudes are not right - or not fair - but change takes time.  Sometimes a lot of time.  Chris' mistake was letting his personal feelings be aired publicly in behalf of a show.  But I wonder what the purpose of the interview was.  Rachael K deb's past was discovered.  Maybe the franchise knew - most likely they did.  Rachael K and others live in our country ... I personally don't agree with her past views (whatever they are now) but watching the show I have gotten no indication of her views on the show so I haven't been offended.  Should she not be allowed to be on the show ?  Is it not up to Matt to decide who he  thinks he wants?  Is it Chris H's - or Rachel L's  for that matter - position to take a stand on Rachel's apparent views ?  The show seems to be showcasing several nasty girls - who are assuming/accusing/calling out and trying to get others to join in with them.  Alot of us are tired of seeing all the bickering and hatred.  Why is the issue betw Chris H and Rachel L occurring now - outside the show ?  Haven't we had enough ?  Chris H - in my opinion - has been a great part to the franchise. We've had our laughts about his pre-set comments every episodes but he has served as the on show confidant and helped contestants see the error of their ways on the ATFR show.  He has seemed to celebrate the love when it happens.  He has seemed to be well - liked.  I personally hope he will be back.

GuardianAngel wrote:@Jolena I had no idea what that was.

But I can guarantee you I didn't comment on anything until I had a full understanding of what it was and what it signifies.

CH seems to think "50 million people" have attended those types of proms. CH said he has seen stuff on SM, tearing this girls life apart. (Can't even begin to express how that statement infuriates me) CH said it was ok in 2018, so he knows exactly what he was talking about.

If he didn't know then he should have been informed before commenting. IMHO.

@sdmom thank you for bringing the facts.

Jolena wrote:Just curious, before all this controversy aside from people who live in the south,how many people knew what an Antebellum party even was? I didn't and maybe CH didn't either. just saying.

Jolena wrote:snipped

What I don't understand is, If the south is aware of exactly what this party represents then why aren't the people who are organizing it and running it being held accountable or stopped from doing it all together.  It's a fact that the younger generation are always looking to party every chance they get especially in their high school and college years. jmo

GuardianAngel wrote:@Jolena I had no idea what that was.

But I can guarantee you I didn't comment on anything until I had a full understanding of what it was and what it signifies.

CH seems to think "50 million people" have attended those types of proms. CH said he has seen stuff on SM, tearing this girls life apart. (Can't even begin to express how that statement infuriates me) CH said it was ok in 2018, so he knows exactly what he was talking about.

GuardianAngel wrote:

Jolena wrote:snipped

What I don't understand is, If the south is aware of exactly what this party represents then why aren't the people who are organizing it and running it being held accountable or stopped from doing it all together.  It's a fact that the younger generation are always looking to party every chance they get especially in their high school and college years. jmo

This is what millions of people, Rachel included are speaking out on along with a whole host of other issues. Why are there situations where people are not held accountable for their actions, and others get away with murder, pun intended. Why does TPTB consistently cast people like Lee Garrett Chad Johnson Garrett Y Rachel K to name a few, and haven't been held accountable.

Some schools have banned it, SCMIIW