Tyler Cameron - Bachelorette 15 - Discussion #4

Bleiby527 wrote:

Sprite wrote:@Bleiby527 Does anyone really plan their dating life? Personally I think it just happens. You stumble into relationships based on proximity/mutual acquaintances/luck. The most planned may be if you meet someone on a dating app, but even then it is just a luck of the draw on who you may be most attracted to.

If Tyler was actually planning on dating only those people who would be the most beneficial for his SM number, I would think a lot less of him than I would for grabbing some wannabe Kardashian's a**.

Most of us don't plan our dating lives, and most of us also don't hook up with extremely famous supermodels and Kardashian adjacents. I personally think dating women like Gigi Hadid and Stassie are not conducive to Tyler finding a stable relationship that makes him happy. But he'll definitely have good stories to tell. JMO

Chgohighlife wrote:

Astrobach wrote:@Chgohighlife
 Everything...especially
Snipped : Anndddd IMO the number one reason women are often butt hurt and confused is because they are trying to interpret men through the eyes and heart of a woman. There is really, truly a BIG difference

That cannot be underestimated IMO, and since a very large proportion of the BN fans are women, it is obviously an important factor in the perception represented  in the media, on S/ M, and on all the forums.  
I remember too well trying to explain how I thought Tyler was feeling after the whole Jed bomb exploded and all the attention was on ‘ poor blindsided Hannah’ that was surely now ready to fall back into Tyler’s arms. Even as Tyler would clearly say, it was not a good idea or too soon to get together that quickly ( source: Nick Vial’ s first podcast ).
The Notebook analogy is a woman’s fantasy, created by a man who knows how to capture the feminine imagination based on archetypes that are not only obsolete but based on very toxic notions of balance of power. ( hint : the man has the power)
It is very easy for women to hear words from a man that are clearly communicating X and turn it around as ‘ but he actually means Y’. Then being convinced that HE lied or broke our trust when he just does exactly what he said in the first place. We want to believe the story more than the actions that speak louder than words.
JMHO

@Astrobach
We are on the exact same page. It is often shocking to see the disconnect between the sexes. After so many years of opportunity to be enlightened and educated about everything, especially men - I was shocked to see how many BN fans everywhere just refused to understand that even if by some miracle Tyler still wanted to be with Hannah after seeing he was at best her third choice - his ego, his pride, the mental and emotional manliness that define him and gives him pride in who he is would NEVER let him go slinking back to her. It would be embarrassing to watch anyone have such a low opinion of themselves and virtually no self esteem to go pick up the broken pieces of Hannah. For what?? I never thought for one minute that Tyler was that pathetic, even after they trapped him into saying he’d go for a drink with her.

IMO Hannah got what you always get when you ignore every red flag and every advice from people who love him (Jed’s family) and the parents who love you. No one supported her decision, she made it anyway, she paid the price that stubborn cluelessness usually bills you. But on what planet would a man with any pride in himself, especially one as beloved as Tyler settle for the leftover she became after the windmill story capped off whining about Luke all season and then gleefully dumping Tyler mid-proposal and choosing Jed? Hello?  

Honestly, women are from Venus and men are from Mars doesn’t begin to cover it.
All IMO.

Summerfun1980 wrote:Are we really referring to a woman as a “leftover” for having sex? In 2019 almost 2020? And painting a woman as undesirable to a desirable man because she had sex?

And Hannah dumped all the men her season including the ones she slept with. They didn’t dump her.

I don’t understand the need to tear Hannah down to prop up Tyler especially saying things that just aren’t true. She did not gleefully dump him. And of course calling her derogatory names. You can love Tyler without hating Hannah. I’ve always felt woman can be the harsher on women and it does no one any good. All JMO

Chgohighlife wrote:@Summerfun1980
I don't hate Hannah. I made sure to give her the maximum votes almost every week she was on DWTS. I hope she does well forever. However, while I respect your opinion, I'm not here to give your opinion - I'm here to give mine. I am not asking anyone to agree. And no, she's not undesirable because she had sex. IMO she was tacky for bragging about what should have been intimate info between Peter and her. When men do that, we say they're disrespectful, well same here. She chose at least two men and possibly three over Tyler and had a sex-filled rendezvous all afternoon with someone she knew she was planning to send home. Once that played out on screen, she was played out. Maybe not in your opinion but, in mine and apparently, in Tyler's too. All IMO

Bleiby527 wrote:Having casual sex with supermodels and Kardashian adjacents might bring temporary satisfaction, but it doesn't bring joy. Men and women aren't that different - men also get terribly lonely.

This desire to build Tyler up as this perfect specimen of a man who is living the perfect life and has never made a mistake is odd to me. I don't think Tyler would describe himself that way.

I personally think he's struggling and having a hard time with the sudden extreme fame as any young person would. I doubt he knows who to trust and probably feels like most women he meets want something from him and don't know the real him, from before he was famous. JMO

Chgohighlife wrote:

Bleiby527 wrote:Having casual sex with supermodels and Kardashian adjacents might bring temporary satisfaction, but it doesn't bring joy. Men and women aren't that different - men also get terribly lonely.

This desire to build Tyler up as this perfect specimen of a man who is living the perfect life and has never made a mistake is odd to me. I don't think Tyler would describe himself that way.

I personally think he's struggling and having a hard time with the sudden extreme fame as any young person would. I doubt he knows who to trust and probably feels like most women he meets want something from him and don't know the real him, from before he was famous. JMO

@Bleiby527
Thank you for illustrating my point.

Bleiby527 wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

Bleiby527 wrote:Having casual sex with supermodels and Kardashian adjacents might bring temporary satisfaction, but it doesn't bring joy. Men and women aren't that different - men also get terribly lonely.

This desire to build Tyler up as this perfect specimen of a man who is living the perfect life and has never made a mistake is odd to me. I don't think Tyler would describe himself that way.

I personally think he's struggling and having a hard time with the sudden extreme fame as any young person would. I doubt he knows who to trust and probably feels like most women he meets want something from him and don't know the real him, from before he was famous. JMO

@Bleiby527
Thank you for illustrating my point.

I think there is a lot of projecting going on on both of our sides and neither of us know how Tyler is currently feeling. One thing I am  quite certain of, however, is that being very good-looking and having sex with famous women does not mean someone is happy. JMO

Sprite wrote:

Bleiby527 wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

Bleiby527 wrote:Having casual sex with supermodels and Kardashian adjacents might bring temporary satisfaction, but it doesn't bring joy. Men and women aren't that different - men also get terribly lonely.

This desire to build Tyler up as this perfect specimen of a man who is living the perfect life and has never made a mistake is odd to me. I don't think Tyler would describe himself that way.

I personally think he's struggling and having a hard time with the sudden extreme fame as any young person would. I doubt he knows who to trust and probably feels like most women he meets want something from him and don't know the real him, from before he was famous. JMO

@Bleiby527
Thank you for illustrating my point.

I think there is a lot of projecting going on on both of our sides and neither of us know how Tyler is currently feeling. One thing I am  quite certain of, however, is that being very good-looking and having sex with famous women does not mean someone is happy. JMO

Neither does it mean one is unhappy. I don't know how Tyler is feeling, but from what I am seeing, he looks pretty content with his lot. He most certainly could be faking it, but IMO he isn't. More that anything, what I am getting from him is a sense of excitement...for what he is doing and for what is yet to come.

Bleiby527 wrote:

Sprite wrote:

Bleiby527 wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

Bleiby527 wrote:Having casual sex with supermodels and Kardashian adjacents might bring temporary satisfaction, but it doesn't bring joy. Men and women aren't that different - men also get terribly lonely.

This desire to build Tyler up as this perfect specimen of a man who is living the perfect life and has never made a mistake is odd to me. I don't think Tyler would describe himself that way.

I personally think he's struggling and having a hard time with the sudden extreme fame as any young person would. I doubt he knows who to trust and probably feels like most women he meets want something from him and don't know the real him, from before he was famous. JMO

@Bleiby527
Thank you for illustrating my point.

I think there is a lot of projecting going on on both of our sides and neither of us know how Tyler is currently feeling. One thing I am  quite certain of, however, is that being very good-looking and having sex with famous women does not mean someone is happy. JMO

Neither does it mean one is unhappy. I don't know how Tyler is feeling, but from what I am seeing, he looks pretty content with his lot. He most certainly could be faking it, but IMO he isn't. More that anything, what I am getting from him is a sense of excitement...for what he is doing and for what is yet to come.

I'm not getting that vibe at all. I'm getting the feeling of some one who is still finding his way and making a lot of missteps along that path. Which is normal for a 26 year old and I really hope he is ultimately successful and happy. Sudden fame can be very hard and isolating - see Blake. JMO