Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #10

okkaayy wrote:

Summerfun1980 wrote:

okkaayy wrote:

Summerfun1980 wrote:Hannah on NPR discussing sex and religion. Only 5 mins. Sounds like she’s back to calling sex a mistake and saying that God intended it to be between a man and a woman. I wonder if this was filmed before the finale?

She also said we haven’t seen the last of her. DWTS?

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/04/748002288/hannah-brown-on-the-bachelorette

This is not what she said at all. She talked about her own experiences about having sex outside marriage and they guilt and shame she put on herself and how she’s moving past that. She never mentioned between a man and a woman.

Also, someone commented on reddit that they knew someone who worked on this segment for NPR and NPR was not expecting her to answer these questions and when she did they were surprised and blown away. This girl has grown a lot. I’m proud of her.

Imo we are not her, we can not say that she as never going to choose Tyler, because we don’t know. From what I saw, she was incredibly conflicted, and in love with both. And regardless, she’s chosen Tyler now, and obviously as said in another thread, they jumped together as soon as they could, so obviously he was thrilled with it. The families seem to be as well.

1:57 she says she knows the Lord intended it to be in confines of marriage. (Sorry, on the show she said man and a woman in marriage to Luke) At 2:29 she said the Lord forgives her for her mistakes. She says mistakes throughout.

You’re completely taking her out of context.  She says the confines of marriage part and then says “but that’s not so for a lot people” she also then says that her doing these things doesn’t make her any less worthy of gods love. That whole segment is about her moving past shame and guilt.

Tiggerlgh wrote:

Summerfun1980 wrote:

SeekAny wrote:If none of us know Hannah the person, then we can’t know how she felt either on that final day. I don’t personally think she’s re-writing much at all. The way she tells it now is exactly what I thought was happening from watching. But I think we can agree we’re just going off what we saw on the show.

I think from here on out, we just have to wait and see. I think much of it will play out. I just hope all parties are happy in the end. That’s the most I can hope for. I’ll let them each decide what that means for them.

Confirmation bias. If you want her to be with Tyler and want to believe she fell for him, then you believe what she says that confirms your belief and ignore everything else.

I watched Hannah fall for Jed with my own two eyes. I watched her tell Jed she was falling in love with him BEFORE hometowns, I watched her cry over not getting his families approval etc. etc. I didn’t see her fall for Tyler. I saw her doubt and interrogate Tyler. I did see Tyler fall for her.

All JMO

I overall agree she definitely fell for Jed hard and fast.  But I did see her fall for Tyler on the FSD but it was too late.  She was too far gone with Jed a5 that point and Tyler had no shot of catching up at that point imo

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Also, that's why I am super curious as to when this ITM was shot. It was shown at the end of Tyler & Hannah's LCD with Hannah talking (paraphrasing here) about she "could see a life with Tyler, so proud to introduce him as her husband, that they'd have the cutest family, cutest little babies, etc..."  This struck me as super odd during the episode - b/c I thought she was already all-in with Jed and that we hadn't heard her talk about her post-show life w/ Jed yet though Jed alluded to those discussions when talking to his dad during his HTD.

So what is the verdict on this ITM? Was it actually shot during the season or post-show? If during season, lends evidence toward Hannah truly falling for Tyler, if post-show, a little revisionist history in the making.

Summerfun1980 wrote:@North I believe that was post show as was the one from her FD with Tyler based on things like makeup, tan, hair. I would be curious to see her ITMs from present time on those days and what she said then about Tyler.

Summerfun1980 wrote:I think the reconciliation has been in the works since the people magazine article drohpped or before when they got word of it. Hannah, during the filmed breakup, looked like she was just doing her job, talking it through with Jed on camera, and had already made her decision. She was already out the door. JMO

Lucas15 wrote:
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North IIRC I've heard that they take backdrops and various props (eg candles and vases, etc) with them, record ITMs and then edit them into whatever scene they want to so that it LOOKS as though the ITM was in a specific time line but in fact may have been recorded at a very different time. I made a half hearted attempt to match the background but didn't look too hard - so I have the same questions you do - with no definitive answer. But reading the bold part of your quote just triggered me:

Many years ago Jason appeared on a podcast and was asked a question about why - if he was so conflicted between Molly and Melissa - did he pick Melissa. And he answered that you have to realize at the end that you have not just one producer - but ALL the producers on set - along with all the camera crews and sound people - and they are ALL telling you stuff like "You're making such a good decision - she's going to make you such a good wife and you're going to have really cute babies" and you start to think that these people know what they're doing - they've done it many times before, and maybe I need to take their advice. Shortly thereafter, Jason said that "The producers are not your friends - they will pretend to be your friends."

So what I read her using some of the exact terms that Jason used 10 years ago - it begins to occur to me that production, who is really not very creative - they will fall back to what has worked in the past - may have been using the same technique on Hannah - to get her to choose who they wanted her to choose - just as they have done in the past.

Still doesn't answer your question I know - but just one of those things that go bump in the night for me - and make me think this season was highly produced.