Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - July 29 & 30 - Finale - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

Alanna wrote:

Amethyst wrote:I think that Tyler deserves to be chosen for his own wonderful qualities. Not because he was the last man standing after Luke and Jed both flaked out on her, and after she bragged about repeatedly having sex with someone else. At what point was Tyler ever number one with her? -- never! I'm remembering back to Desiree's season when she genuinely mourned the loss of Brooks (heck *I* mourned the loss of Brooks,) but went on to form a genuine attachment to her eventual husband. She chose Chris because she came to see him for the good, devoted man that he is. Not because he was second, or third, or fourth best, and that's all that was available to her.

I'm not against them as a couple -- if that's what they both want, then fine. I just think that Tyler needs to proceed with caution if they decide to give it a try. To me, Hannah is a very confused young woman who doesn't seem to know what she wants in a man just yet.

I think this is so unfair. Not directed at you, just this situation in general for Hannah.

Brooks LEFT des. She would have absolutely, positively chosen him imo and probs has a very bad ending just like hannah, maybe no cheating, but def no happy marriage out of it either. She only saw Chris for what he was bc there was no one else. She had no choice but to give him a real chance and then she fell in love with him.

Hannah would have done the exact same thing if jed had left her too and would be happily engaged to a really wonderful, loving man rn. Jed just completely, maliciously screwed her over. She is already, now, falling in love with Tyler even without a real second chance. She’s already seeing what she could have had and what a colossal mistake she made.

Man, I feel so sad for Hannah. I hope Tyler truly gives her a second chance. I don’t think she’s ever, ever going to take him or his love, attn and devotion for granted again.

Well said Alanna! Des was definitely going to choose Brooks 100%. She was criticized after the show but fell in love with Chris. Happy for Des it worked out in her favor. I hope Tyler gives her that second chance because I too think Hannah has already started to fall in love with Tyler. She knows she made a mistake and wants to right her wrong and at least have “a shot” to show him and tell him he will never EVER be taken for granted again. And, she never wants to look back with regret in not taking her opportunity of the second chance with Tyler. She also knows it’s risky and there are no guarantees. She was vulnerable on the stage at afr and is learning a lot about herself and love. Hope her risk pays off

Tyler is all about Hannah, all about her having to do what she needed to do throughout this. The fact that he fell for Jed's bs will help him understand her, and she is articulate enough to express her movement from fearing Tyler to accepting he is the real deal. She even admitted her initial bias on their first one on one, so it will not seem like reinventing history from her. My goodness, even I, an ardent Tyler fan, was initially disappointed by the first spoiler, based on his pic and entrance alone. It takes time to get to know a real person with layers (as opposed to a fake person playing a character, cough, Jed?). They deserve to take this time. I think Tyler is also likely to be aware that Hannah is seemingly on the rebound, so will take it slow (in spite of his passion per his spotify list) probably more for her sake than even to protect himself. All this might worry me that they might end up being two ships that pass in the night, if it weren't for their wonderful communication and their capacity for patience and faith. Jmo

I understand that they want to take it slow but they need to hurry up the slow. We need to see positive things ASAP. To all the great ladies here who keep up with their music and sm please keep us informed.

@Billysmom  yes and isn’t it interesting that now Hannah is all about Tyler and being so mature about and concerned about HIS feelings.  I am proud of both and have faith that they know what is best. I think they will reconcile for real but don’t want to plaster all the magazines right now!  
I’m mean can you imagine!! Too much pressure. Hannah and Tyler have both mentioned that too many people would be hurt if they came out now with where they left off. Did anyone else hear this too?? Imo They have talked and agreed to stay low key for now. They are setting their foundation again. I have a feeling we will be rewarded in the near future.

Hannah and Jed met on a speed dating social experiment tv show where she dated other men for 6 weeks. After they were engaged, they saw each other 3-4 times over 6 weeks. With Hannah returning the ring on their last meeting.

This wasn't some long term, super involved, uber deep relationship. It is the Bachelor/ette!!!! The relationships start or stop AFTER the "engagement." Theirs was DOA shortly after the engagement. IMO

If Hannah & Tyler both want to try again, who cares? It is their business. A rocky 6 week, reality show engagement shouldn't stand in ANYONE'S way.

A paraphrased report from a Reddit poster who attended the ATFR live show:

During a commercial break with Hannah and Jed they said little to each other, it was very awkward and they sent producers over to break the developing tension.

The audience was told to have a better reaction during the scene of Jed visiting Hannah - they were all just sitting with their jaws dropped.

Jed seemed very robotic - as though he was reading from a script. Everyone in the audience was trying to kill him with their eyes. The crowd was not allowed to "boo". When Jed came out there were about 4 people who clapped and the rest just stayed silent.

When a couple of rows stood up when they weren't supposed to, CH admonished them with a threat to send Luke P to each of their houses, and have Jed serenade them with a song he wrote.

When Tyler came out on stage the crowd went wild screaming (I think we saw that) but Tyler never looked at the crowd - he was laser focused on Hannah and ignored everything else for the entire time.

CH was really egging them on and that made it a bit awkward but Tyler was "hyper focused" on Hannah the entire time.

Tyler and Hannah talked a bit after their segment was done and they were finally escorted off stage. They looked friendly but Tyler seemed awkward and unsure. His body language suggested he was still into Hannah.

She didn't think either Hannah or Tyler were prepared and that they really wanted to just talk in private instead of a public stage.

Alanna wrote:

Amethyst wrote:I think that Tyler deserves to be chosen for his own wonderful qualities. Not because he was the last man standing after Luke and Jed both flaked out on her, and after she bragged about repeatedly having sex with someone else. At what point was Tyler ever number one with her? -- never! I'm remembering back to Desiree's season when she genuinely mourned the loss of Brooks (heck *I* mourned the loss of Brooks,) but went on to form a genuine attachment to her eventual husband. She chose Chris because she came to see him for the good, devoted man that he is. Not because he was second, or third, or fourth best, and that's all that was available to her.

I'm not against them as a couple -- if that's what they both want, then fine. I just think that Tyler needs to proceed with caution if they decide to give it a try. To me, Hannah is a very confused young woman who doesn't seem to know what she wants in a man just yet.

I think this is so unfair. Not directed at you, just this situation in general for Hannah.

Brooks LEFT des. She would have absolutely, positively chosen him imo and probs has a very bad ending just like hannah, maybe no cheating, but def no happy marriage out of it either. She only saw Chris for what he was bc there was no one else. She had no choice but to give him a real chance and then she fell in love with him.

Hannah would have done the exact same thing if jed had left her too and would be happily engaged to a really wonderful, loving man rn. Jed just completely, maliciously screwed her over. She is already, now, falling in love with Tyler even without a real second chance. She’s already seeing what she could have had and what a colossal mistake she made.

Man, I feel so sad for Hannah. I hope Tyler truly gives her a second chance. I don’t think she’s ever, ever going to take him or his love, attn and devotion for granted again.

I respect your right to disagree. My point was, by the end of Desiree's season, Chris *was* her number one choice. Not every man was going to feel it with her (Brooks certainly didn't,) but of the ones who did, Chris was the one she picked (and was engaged to, married, and with whom she made a family.)

In contrast, IMO at no point during Hannah's season did she put Tyler first. From what I could see on my TV screen, she was all about Luke, and Peter, and ultimately Jed. It wasn't about just one other man (Jed,) but about three guys total who seemed (to me,) to be higher on her list. She can say that she was conflicted between Jed and Tyler, but I personally did not see any sign of that at the FRC. I saw a woman who couldn't wait to put a stop to a proposal that she *didn't* want. And then she absolutely lit up when Jed arrived in a way that she never did with Tyler. 

If she wants to give it a shot with Tyler now, then sure. But if I were in his shoes I would be very wary.

Whelp, it looks like things are happening. My god, that man is good looking. Best wishes to them however it turns out.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/08/02/bachelorette-hannah-fave-tyler-leaving-home-morning/