Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - July 29 & 30 - Finale - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

veg_out wrote:At 24, Hannah's positioned herself to be a millionaire when most recent college graduates still struggle to get their bearings not only in their love lives but their financial ones. Hannah made a choice that not only brings in a tremendous amount of wealth but also will yield multiple opportunities regardless of anyone's perception of her. IMO, that indicates some level of savvy and smarts.

The way that people behave in relationships is a function of conditioning: they accept the love that they think they deserve or the love they witnessed until they learn better. Hannah, IMO, tolerated Luke because it's what she knew until she knew better; that doesn't make her dumb; it makes her wounded. How many of the other contestants (even viewers) in this show's history can honestly say that they've never made mistakes? That they never stayed in a relationship, a job, a place, a situation long past its due? That they were always in five-star relationships? Peter, Jed, Tyler, and Luke wouldn't be on the show if that was the case. Hannah has grown, and she has years ahead of her to get it right. She'll learn the most from these mistakes.

Did these guys care an ounce about Hannah when they showed up with girlfriends? Every person including Hannah had stars in their eyes. A relationship out of the show? It was always a second thought.

Chgohighlife wrote:

LaineyG wrote:@Chgohighlife @GuardianAngel   Awww I appreciate your opinions. I do like Tyler a lot but I also want to remember he is a 25-26 year old and not perfect by any means. He also has lots of growing to do. I want to be careful and remember this is a reality tv show and not put Tyler, Hannah or any of the contestants on a pedestal.  Jmo.

@LaineyG
IMO there’s no effort to put Tyler on a pedestal. He doesn’t have to be perfect to be entitled to feel this particular girl will not be a good guardian of his heart. She’s a flake, IMO. She has no idea who she is or what she wants or even how to figure out what she’s looking at. Now, she just may be some unique combination of young, dumb and immature that she might eventually grown out of but, IMO no time soon and right now out of her top four men:

IMO Luke is a bully, a manipulator who shows signs of being an abuser and a sociopath but, the fact is Hannah does not meet the requirements of a good, fundamentalist Christian young woman, period. Luke is a nutcase but, about that, he’s not wrong.

Peter is in love with love and desperate for the daily high that comes with it. He needs it. His job will be easier when he finds it. Hannah used her very personal, intimate experience with Peter to hurt Luke with zero regard for Peter’s feelings. I know...no one wants to talk about that.

Jed is a dreamer. Many artists are. It’s what he and Hannah have in common and what bonded them. Hannah is not smart enough to know that means the realities of life will be his wife’s responsibility with perhaps some support from his family. Her dreams will always be circumvented by his. They told her that but, she ignored them.

Tyler dodged a bullet and he would be foolish to get in the line of fire again without solid negotiation and endorsement by both his management teams. IMO Tyler is nobody’s fool.  

The more we see of Hannah, the more confirmation we have that she is a hot mess. In fairness, I think it was awful for ABC to show her falling down. But, it plays into the narrative and it’s true. She is a hot mess. If you think not, take a trip over to her I/G story and look at her apartment she displays to the world. All IMO. All of it.

Astrobach wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

LaineyG wrote:@Chgohighlife @GuardianAngel   Awww I appreciate your opinions. I do like Tyler a lot but I also want to remember he is a 25-26 year old and not perfect by any means. He also has lots of growing to do. I want to be careful and remember this is a reality tv show and not put Tyler, Hannah or any of the contestants on a pedestal.  Jmo.

@LaineyG
IMO there’s no effort to put Tyler on a pedestal. He doesn’t have to be perfect to be entitled to feel this particular girl will not be a good guardian of his heart. She’s a flake, IMO. She has no idea who she is or what she wants or even how to figure out what she’s looking at. Now, she just may be some unique combination of young, dumb and immature that she might eventually grown out of but, IMO no time soon and right now out of her top four men:

IMO Luke is a bully, a manipulator who shows signs of being an abuser and a sociopath but, the fact is Hannah does not meet the requirements of a good, fundamentalist Christian young woman, period. Luke is a nutcase but, about that, he’s not wrong.

Peter is in love with love and desperate for the daily high that comes with it. He needs it. His job will be easier when he finds it. Hannah used her very personal, intimate experience with Peter to hurt Luke with zero regard for Peter’s feelings. I know...no one wants to talk about that.

Jed is a dreamer. Many artists are. It’s what he and Hannah have in common and what bonded them. Hannah is not smart enough to know that means the realities of life will be his wife’s responsibility with perhaps some support from his family. Her dreams will always be circumvented by his. They told her that but, she ignored them.

Tyler dodged a bullet and he would be foolish to get in the line of fire again without solid negotiation and endorsement by both his management teams. IMO Tyler is nobody’s fool.  

The more we see of Hannah, the more confirmation we have that she is a hot mess. In fairness, I think it was awful for ABC to show her falling down. But, it plays into the narrative and it’s true. She is a hot mess. If you think not, take a trip over to her I/G story and look at her apartment she displays to the world. All IMO. All of it.

To the bold:
I agree with your analysis of the men. When it comes to Jed I see, along with most people, that Hannah was quickly attracted and smitten by him and her idea ofhis lifestyle in Nashville. She liked the attention of someone who writes songs, for HER. Let’s put in context that she admitted that Luke’s appeal was in great part because of her insecurities that she was going to be liked by the men. So the validation that Jed provided was instrumental in her journey to feel her way to her true self worth and her rightful partner.
Tyler was the man that gave her a glimpse of what a true partner is, right on their first date when he comforted her and let her know that he cared for the REAL Hannah, not an image that is making her look perfect. All along, as she tested and got to know him more, she continued to feel she could be herself and that came to a major epiphany for her on their FS date and night, where she claimed that she needed to reevaluate ALL her relationships in view of her intimate and bonding experience with Tyler.
What if she actually DID listen to her family’s warning, and searching her heart, decided to NOT choose to be with someone whose dreams were not HER OWN whereas, as she said clearly in the Build interview, she chose someone who would let HER choose and support HER in making her OWN dreams come true. Even if that decision came as a last minute does not matter to me, if she did cross that finish line.  His unwavering support was visible on the show and has continued since then.
JMO

Astrobach wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

LaineyG wrote:@Chgohighlife @GuardianAngel   Awww I appreciate your opinions. I do like Tyler a lot but I also want to remember he is a 25-26 year old and not perfect by any means. He also has lots of growing to do. I want to be careful and remember this is a reality tv show and not put Tyler, Hannah or any of the contestants on a pedestal.  Jmo.

@LaineyG
IMO there’s no effort to put Tyler on a pedestal. He doesn’t have to be perfect to be entitled to feel this particular girl will not be a good guardian of his heart. She’s a flake, IMO. She has no idea who she is or what she wants or even how to figure out what she’s looking at. Now, she just may be some unique combination of young, dumb and immature that she might eventually grown out of but, IMO no time soon and right now out of her top four men:

IMO Luke is a bully, a manipulator who shows signs of being an abuser and a sociopath but, the fact is Hannah does not meet the requirements of a good, fundamentalist Christian young woman, period. Luke is a nutcase but, about that, he’s not wrong.

Peter is in love with love and desperate for the daily high that comes with it. He needs it. His job will be easier when he finds it. Hannah used her very personal, intimate experience with Peter to hurt Luke with zero regard for Peter’s feelings. I know...no one wants to talk about that.

Jed is a dreamer. Many artists are. It’s what he and Hannah have in common and what bonded them. Hannah is not smart enough to know that means the realities of life will be his wife’s responsibility with perhaps some support from his family. Her dreams will always be circumvented by his. They told her that but, she ignored them.

Tyler dodged a bullet and he would be foolish to get in the line of fire again without solid negotiation and endorsement by both his management teams. IMO Tyler is nobody’s fool.  

The more we see of Hannah, the more confirmation we have that she is a hot mess. In fairness, I think it was awful for ABC to show her falling down. But, it plays into the narrative and it’s true. She is a hot mess. If you think not, take a trip over to her I/G story and look at her apartment she displays to the world. All IMO. All of it.

To the bold:
I agree with your analysis of the men. When it comes to Jed I see, along with most people, that Hannah was quickly attracted and smitten by him and her idea ofhis lifestyle in Nashville. She liked the attention of someone who writes songs, for HER. Let’s put in context that she admitted that Luke’s appeal was in great part because of her insecurities that she was going to be liked by the men. So the validation that Jed provided was instrumental in her journey to feel her way to her true self worth and her rightful partner.
Tyler was the man that gave her a glimpse of what a true partner is, right on their first date when he comforted her and let her know that he cared for the REAL Hannah, not an image that is making her look perfect. All along, as she tested and got to know him more, she continued to feel she could be herself and that came to a major epiphany for her on their FS date and night, where she claimed that she needed to reevaluate ALL her relationships in view of her intimate and bonding experience with Tyler.
What if she actually DID listen to her family’s warning, and searching her heart, decided to NOT choose to be with someone whose dreams were not HER OWN whereas, as she said clearly in the Build interview, she chose someone who would let HER choose and support HER in making her OWN dreams come true. Even if that decision came as a last minute does not matter to me, if she did cross that finish line.  His unwavering support was visible on the show and has continued since then.
JMO