Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #8

For Hannah it seems like emotional intimacy is more important than physical intimacy as she cried when Tyler left (and they didn't have sex) and could barely wait for Peter to leave (and they most likely did have sex). Tyler wowed her with his behavior. She said that she wanted him even more because he respected her boundaries. I think not having sex with Tyler actually made Hannah fall in love with him. JMO

@"HEA@ I disagree because this is about sleeping together. She didn’t sleep with Tyler so she can’t remember that first to throw in Luke’s face. “Tyler and I didn’t sleep together but we spent all night talking” really wouldn’t make Luke mad. She could’ve brought up her and Jed’s sex to Luke but doesn’t. Tbh I think it’s for shock value because windmill sex is way crazier sounding than hotel room sex. I am surprised she didn’t mention both hookups to Luke to further infuriate him but *shrugs.” Of course I believe Jed was F1 at the time because it’s novel for this show to think you’re picking the one you don’t sleep with.

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okkaayy wrote:

Mommyof2 wrote:

okkaayy wrote:

Mommyof2 wrote:

HEA wrote:

Summerfun1980 wrote:@HEA Oh yea, I believe Tyler thought he was going home. I believe the whole episode was edited to make it seem like Tyler was going home too to viewers and of course to set up Peter's surprise exit after the windmill.  

Agree. No sex with T meant exit for him probably in his mind

Hannah realized how selfish she had been with Peter. It was worse to keep him IN MY OPINION. But it also sucks to be F2.

The fact that she slept with Jed and Peter, but not Tyler speaks volumes to me.  I'd rather she not sleep with any of them, but to refuse to be intimate with Tyler is a huge red flag.  Jmo.  

This line of thinking confuses me. Imo there’s multiple kinds of intimacy, and emotional connection is just as important as physical. It was enough to make her cry as he was leaving. She even had said that she wasn’t worried about physical intimacy with him because she knew there was no question.

With peter I never really saw the emotional connection, but she was definitely sexually frustrated. Imo it felt like she was getting that out of her system.

But she was quick to jump in the sack with Jed.  They were shown in bed the next morning together, almost naked.  She knew by then he was her F1.  Jmo.  

Her sleeping with Jed is an assumption. We don’t know if they did or not. Time and time again on this show we can assume that the lead sleeps with this person or that, but unless they confirm it, it’s all assumption. More leads come out that they slept with less people than we assume. We only know she slept with peter because she said she did multiple times. Also, if she slept with Jed, why did she throw out to like that she had sex  with peter but not Jed? That part does not add up to me.

I highly doubt TPTB told Jed to take his shirt off and Hannah you put on this lingerie and hop in bed together and we will film it.  They did it, imho.  In fact, I don't know if I remember a FS where the couple are actually filmed together lying in bed.  Usually, they show them sitting up talking in bed the next morning or eating breakfast in bed, but not showing them half dressed making out.  Jmo.

They showed both Garrett and Blake laying with Becca in bed last season. Both were shirtless.

HEA wrote:Ahem... that, in MY book, is called intimacy



Teaser abc https://www.instagram.com/bachelornation.scoop/?hl=en

Word.

@mommyof2 @HEA I think most people concede and realize that Jed was true F1 during filming. Thus why she rolled out the red carpet into that FS and put up walls for Tyler. So yeah, in that respect I think you are right. But, I only speak for myself, I’m less interested in filming; I want to see real world stuff now and dig a little deeper.

I think a lot of us (or at least me) think that by foregoing sex with Tyler she really, really built an emotional connection with him. She knew the physical would be there, but by denying that with Tyler - bam. It made her realize the emotional connection was really, really present as well. Enough so that he shot past Peter and Windmill Sex x2, and enough to (probably) make her freak out, like really freak out, and question her F1 decision with Jed if the clips we have so far are any indication. Also we will see how it plays, but it seems to me in real time, we have plenty of evidence her conflict over her emotional/physical connection with Tyler continued, potentially adding to regret. We’ll see.

It’s really easy just to have sex ... fill time that way. It’s much harder to spend 12+ hours talking, 1:1. That can bond people a lot more than the physical in many ways, I think. It would also make the sex a lot more meaningful if/when it happens too. JMO

okkaayy wrote:

Mommyof2 wrote:

okkaayy wrote:

Mommyof2 wrote:

okkaayy wrote:

Mommyof2 wrote:

HEA wrote:

Summerfun1980 wrote:@HEA Oh yea, I believe Tyler thought he was going home. I believe the whole episode was edited to make it seem like Tyler was going home too to viewers and of course to set up Peter's surprise exit after the windmill.  

Agree. No sex with T meant exit for him probably in his mind

Hannah realized how selfish she had been with Peter. It was worse to keep him IN MY OPINION. But it also sucks to be F2.

The fact that she slept with Jed and Peter, but not Tyler speaks volumes to me.  I'd rather she not sleep with any of them, but to refuse to be intimate with Tyler is a huge red flag.  Jmo.  

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This line of thinking confuses me. Imo there’s multiple kinds of intimacy, and emotional connection is just as important as physical. It was enough to make her cry as he was leaving. She even had said that she wasn’t worried about physical intimacy with him because she knew there was no question.

With peter I never really saw the emotional connection, but she was definitely sexually frustrated. Imo it felt like she was getting that out of her system.

But she was quick to jump in the sack with Jed.  They were shown in bed the next morning together, almost naked.  She knew by then he was her F1.  Jmo.  

Her sleeping with Jed is an assumption. We don’t know if they did or not. Time and time again on this show we can assume that the lead sleeps with this person or that, but unless they confirm it, it’s all assumption. More leads come out that they slept with less people than we assume. We only know she slept with peter because she said she did multiple times. Also, if she slept with Jed, why did she throw out to like that she had sex  with peter but not Jed? That part does not add up to me.

I highly doubt TPTB told Jed to take his shirt off and Hannah you put on this lingerie and hop in bed together and we will film it.  They did it, imho.  In fact, I don't know if I remember a FS where the couple are actually filmed together lying in bed.  Usually, they show them sitting up talking in bed the next morning or eating breakfast in bed, but not showing them half dressed making out.  Jmo.

They showed both Garrett and Blake laying with Becca in bed last season. Both were shirtless.

Gotcha. I didn't watch Becca's season. Anyway, my point is Jed and Hannah were both filmed half dressed in bed making out. I believe they had sex. Jmo.

teamfiercelove wrote:@"HEA@ I disagree because this is about sleeping together. She didn’t sleep with Tyler so she can’t remember that first to throw in Luke’s face. “Tyler and I didn’t sleep together but we spent all night talking” really wouldn’t make Luke mad. She could’ve brought up her and Jed’s sex to Luke but doesn’t. Tbh I think it’s for shock value because windmill sex is way crazier sounding than hotel room sex. I am surprised she didn’t mention both hookups to Luke to further infuriate him but *shrugs.” Of course I believe Jed was F1 at the time because it’s novel for this show  to think you’re picking the one you don’t sleep with.

But I think it went further than sex with Tyler. At first she clearly said she did NOT want to go to fantasy suite with him. It was very very clear. It was only after he promised to respect her boundaries that they went.

One of the first things leads say is that they cannot wait to be alone without cameras around with their chosen. Seems that she was ready to overdo this moment wit Tyler IN MY OPINION

Red flags for me big times

HEA wrote:

teamfiercelove wrote:@"HEA@ I disagree because this is about sleeping together. She didn’t sleep with Tyler so she can’t remember that first to throw in Luke’s face. “Tyler and I didn’t sleep together but we spent all night talking” really wouldn’t make Luke mad. She could’ve brought up her and Jed’s sex to Luke but doesn’t. Tbh I think it’s for shock value because windmill sex is way crazier sounding than hotel room sex. I am surprised she didn’t mention both hookups to Luke to further infuriate him but *shrugs.” Of course I believe Jed was F1 at the time because it’s novel for this show  to think you’re picking the one you don’t sleep with.

But I think it went further than sex with Tyler. At first she clearly said she did NOT want to go to fantasy suite with him. It was very very clear. It was only after he promised to respect her boundaries that they went.

One of the first things leads say is that they cannot wait to be alone without cameras around with their chosen. Seems that she was ready to overdo this moment wit Tyler IN MY OPINION

Red flags for me big times

But then the next morning she was crying watching him leave. So what does it matter what she thought going into that night when the actual night made her fall in love with him? IMO

sosleepy wrote:@mommyof2 I think most people concede and realize that Jed was true F1 during filming. Thus why she rolled out the red carpet into that FS and put up walls for Tyler. So yeah, in that respect I think you are right. But, I only speak for myself, I’m less interested in filming; I want to see real world stuff now and dig a little deeper.

I think a lot of us (or at least me) think that by foregoing sex with Tyler she really, really built an emotional connection with him. She knew the physical would be there, but by denying that with Tyler - bam. It made her realize the emotional connection was really, really present as well. Enough so that he shot past Peter and Windmill Sex x2, and enough to (probably) make her freak out, like really freak out, and question her F1 decision with Jed if the clips we have so far are any indication. Also we will see how it plays, but it seems to me in real time, we have plenty of evidence her conflict over her emotional/physical connection with Tyler continued, potentially adding to regret. We’ll see.

It’s really easy just to have sex ... fill time that way. It’s much harder to spend 12+ hours talking, 1:1. That can bond people a lot more than the physical in many ways, I think. It would also make the sex a lot more meaningful if/when it happens too. JMO

Sharleens FS recap touches on this.
“I touched on this on The Morning After, but in my humble opinion, it is WAY harder to find someone with whom you can just talk endlessly than someone you want to have sex with. I appreciate that that’s what Tyler identified as love and it absolutely makes me take him and what he claims to feel for Hannah WAY more seriously.”

It’s here, I’m not sure how to embed a gif, but she has one showing this moment :

“ http://www.alltheprettypandas.com/bachelorette15/episode10

@sosleepy

HEA wrote:

teamfiercelove wrote:@"HEA@ I disagree because this is about sleeping together. She didn’t sleep with Tyler so she can’t remember that first to throw in Luke’s face. “Tyler and I didn’t sleep together but we spent all night talking” really wouldn’t make Luke mad. She could’ve brought up her and Jed’s sex to Luke but doesn’t. Tbh I think it’s for shock value because windmill sex is way crazier sounding than hotel room sex. I am surprised she didn’t mention both hookups to Luke to further infuriate him but *shrugs.” Of course I believe Jed was F1 at the time because it’s novel for this show  to think you’re picking the one you don’t sleep with.

But I think it went further than sex with Tyler. At first she clearly said she did NOT want to go to fantasy suite with him. It was very very clear. It was only after he promised to respect her boundaries that they went.

One of the first things leads say is that they cannot wait to be alone without cameras around with their chosen. Seems that she was ready to overdo this moment wit Tyler IN MY OPINION

Red flags for me big times

This is incorrect. She said she didn’t want to be physical with him in the fantasy suite because she wanted to work on their emotional connection. She never said she didn’t want to go in there with him, period. If I wasn’t on my phone, I’d transcribe their conversation

There’s different kinds of intimacy as someone mentioned above. Hannah didn’t want to make her night with Tyler about just sex. There’s so much more to being truly present and intimate with someone than just having sex all night. I think we all know that.

I honestly think Hannah fell in love with Tyler that night because she saw his heart and saw his true intentions towards her. Yeah, sex is great and it’s important but it’s not the most important thing when you are contemplating your future with someone. She can see that sex with Tyler will be good so she can be ok with spending the night with him just talking and getting to know him on a deeper level.

Sorry I’ve not been around y’all. I can’t do the negativity. I will be back though once things get more positive. Love and miss you all!!