Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #8

@Floridian1990

I will be right there with you.

@Chgohighlife happy Sunday to you too

I listened few times and I did not hear him saying anything rude to her, or didn’t attacked her. He said that they spoke about purity before marriage... not a new subject then..... and he wanted confirmation with her own words, face to face, that she did not sleep with any of the guys... BECAUSE his beliefs were that he did not have sex since he found Jesus (2 years +/-) and he expected his future fiancé to believe the same.

Not verbatim but the essential is here.

She twisted it that he shamed her. He didn’t. He didn’t say: you are a s***. He was shocked and that was purposely said for shocking him that she F*** in the windmill... with no care whatsoever what Peter would think that it was shared on national TV.

SHE took it that way because she knew perfectly well that southern baptists are very strict regarding purity before marriage and she got mad about it.

Yes nobody should judge her. Yes only Jesus will. Yes it is her body. Yes she can do whatever she wants.

But in the process, she did hurt Peter. She did hurt voluntarily Luke. She didn’t follow Jesus commandments (not my words it is said many times in the Bible) She did not respect his values but expected that he would accept and be fine that she slept with guys few days before a potential proposal because she was free to do it. F*** the consequences and F*** if anyone was upset in the process. Facts.

Selfish. Me me me. We shall call her MeHannah ... the same way we used to call DeAnna.

I disagree. Both were excessive imo. But blaming only Luke is unfair.

I believe he was 100% convinced she was in love with him. She literally pull a bullet in his mega bubble. Him or prods doesn’t matter. He was shocked beyond words because he realized FINALLY that Hannah was not the ideal perfect girl he thought she was. And this is why he couldn’t leave. He was just frozen in shock. We can clearly see it when she yelled him to leave and when he tried to speak she yelled again and again... giving the last bullet telling him she F*** in the windmill.

That is not an adult conversation but an angry woman who found the right words to hurt a man who said early on he fell in love with.

So yes. It was very unfortunate that Luke came on this show for her. Unfortunate that he was crazy to create this perfect woman before stepping at ep1. Unfortunate that they did not have much time to speak in depth about how they practice their religion daily. Unfortunate that we saw only the worse of edited Luke. Unfortunate that Hannah thought of herself as Queen Hannah and the contestants as her peasants to please her, love her, worship her, put her on a pedestal... regardless of their struggles, feelings, jealousy and all.

But that is the beast of the show. It was her journey... and damn the consequences after all.

Yes I defend Luke but only on a spiritual side. I do not like his personality much. But I know very well where he is coming from his baptist community. Been in very very identical community. We have to live it to understand. And this is why I find it difficult to see him an evil person to burn alive. He is not. I found him a complete alien living with another complete different species. None of them are bad or better, just impossible to understand each other.

I wish them both peace and harmony and happiness. They are human being with good and bad trying their best to follow Jesus words. Whatever they do or say, BOTH, it is their choice, their life.

My opinion which is as good as any on this board, just in the minority.  

ReneeM wrote:

Patience2415 wrote:There were about 60 people in attendance. I officially have a crush on Matt James, not Tyler. Based on my observation, he spoke to fans like they were human and kept it professional even when chicks were flirting with him. They were both inspirational and grateful for the support.

I’ve BEEN had a crush on Matt’s fine azz      

No no no, he’s mine.

I found Luke to passive aggressive and highly judgmental in the conversation where he wanted H's assurance she hadn't slept with any of the other guys. He even dared to say "you owe me" and Hannah owes him nothing, nothing as they were not in an exclusive relationship.

Someone talks to me like that I leave and cut him out of my life. In my very humble opinion, Luke needs therapy. STAT.

@Tiggerlgh What do you mean, without him as a draw?

Yes... the deadly “you own me”...

I am pretty sure he meant because she kept him up to top 4, after hometown... she owned him an explanation.

She interrupted him and it was impossible to rephrase himself and apologize and blew up like a berserk woman. From that point forward it was a monologue no longer a conversation.

Yes... very inappropriate word indeed that started the fire.

teamfiercelove wrote:@Tiggerlgh What do you mean, without him as a draw?

Maybe I am confused but doesn’t these run help raise funds for the food to help the kids? If so I can see numbers decreasing if you don’t have Tyler or someone there to help draw in people and raise funds.

@Pattycake92

We might have to rock, paper and scissors for him .

@Patience2415 oh how fun you got to spend time with these two fine young men!

Thanks so much for sharing with us!

Patience2415 wrote:@okkaayy @mercieme

Based on what I gather, they will be working with schools in Brooklyn and Harlem in the coming future.

I am so Jealous!!! I hope he expands to LA (closer to Hannah) I just want to know what he smells like....is that too weird

Hannah made it to 1.6M

HEA wrote:@Chgohighlife happy Sunday to you too

I listened few times and I did not hear him saying anything rude to her, or didn’t attacked her. He said that they spoke about purity before marriage... not a new subject then..... and he wanted confirmation with her own words, face to face, that she did not sleep with any of the guys... BECAUSE his beliefs were that he did not have sex since he found Jesus (2 years +/-) and he expected his future fiancé to believe the same.

Not verbatim but the essential is here.

She twisted it that he shamed her. He didn’t. He didn’t say: you are a s***. He was shocked and that was purposely said for shocking him that she F*** in the windmill... with no care whatsoever what Peter would think that it was shared on national TV.

SHE took it that way because she knew perfectly well that southern baptists are very strict regarding purity before marriage and she got mad about it.

Yes nobody should judge her. Yes only Jesus will. Yes it is her body. Yes she can do whatever she wants.

But in the process, she did hurt Peter. She did hurt voluntarily Luke. She didn’t follow Jesus commandments (not my words it is said many times in the Bible) She did not respect his values but expected that he would accept and be fine that she slept with guys few days before a potential proposal because she was free to do it. F*** the consequences and F*** if anyone was upset in the process. Facts.

Selfish. Me me me. We shall call her MeHannah ... the same way we used to call DeAnna.

I disagree. Both were excessive imo. But blaming only Luke is unfair.

I believe he was 100% convinced she was in love with him. She literally pull a bullet in his mega bubble. Him or prods doesn’t matter. He was shocked beyond words because he realized FINALLY that Hannah was not the ideal perfect girl he thought she was. And this is why he couldn’t leave. He was just frozen in shock. We can clearly see it when she yelled him to leave and when he tried to speak she yelled again and again... giving the last bullet telling him she F*** in the windmill.

That is not an adult conversation but an angry woman who found the right words to hurt a man who said early on he fell in love with.

So yes. It was very unfortunate that Luke came on this show for her. Unfortunate that he was crazy to create this perfect woman before stepping at ep1. Unfortunate that they did not have much time to speak in depth about how they practice their religion daily. Unfortunate that we saw only the worse of edited Luke. Unfortunate that Hannah thought of herself as Queen Hannah and the contestants as her peasants to please her, love her, worship her, put her on a pedestal... regardless of their struggles, feelings, jealousy and all.

But that is the beast of the show. It was her journey... and damn the consequences after all.

Yes I defend Luke but only on a spiritual side. I do not like his personality much. But I know very well where he is coming from his baptist community. Been in very very identical community. We have to live it to understand. And this is why I find it difficult to see him an evil person to burn alive. He is not. I found him a complete alien living with another complete different species. None of them are bad or better, just impossible to understand each other.

I wish them both peace and harmony and happiness. They are human being with good and bad trying their best to follow Jesus words. Whatever they do or say, BOTH, it is their choice, their life.

My opinion which is as good as any on this board, just in the minority.  

I am on the same page as you HEA. I couldn’t say it any better.