Re: Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #8

by RizBiz Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:51 am

I posted this yesterday and it appears to have gotten lost in the comments of an other topic.
So I am reposting this now because it may shed some light on what Luke’s family is thinking.

As I have said before (which got deleted) there are MANY camps in christianity. Luke assumed that Hannah was in the same camp as he was and in the process of the show, it was revealed that they aren’t.

Yes, they both admit ‘wrongdoing’ but confess that “Jesus still loves me”.
She, because her wrongdoing in his eyes was sex outside of marriage.
He, because his wrongdoing in her eyes was pride. (as per their instagram posts)

And I do agree with Luke’s family that the butchering and assault of his character throughout the season, and after, has been brutal and uncalled for. And this attack on his character was imo not only because he was supposedly so ‘evil or villainous’ but because his morals and attitudes towards sex and committed relationships, were at a different standard than the majority of the other contestants and production. Therefore they ridiculed him.

It appears to be ‘open season” on traditional christianity these days...

Luke was ostracized from day one on the set because he got the FIR.
He was chosen and crowned as King of the Pageant.
He was obviously Hannah’s favorite for a few episodes.
All of these put the usual TARGET on HIS back among the guys of the house.

And the other guys exploited that fact , as well as his character flaws... which were all exaggerated imo by the hype of previews.

The irony is that Hannah chose and dumped the F1 guy because she expected him to be there for the right reasons and be faithful to her. (not two timing)
And yet she got mad at Luke because he expected her to be faithful in regards to sex, to her F1 (whom he figured was himself)

RizBiz wrote:This is the Media thread so I hope my comment can be posted here.
We have seen many posts these last few days from the media and social media which comment in a negative, scathing and mocking manner about Luke’s behaviour on the last episode of the fantasy suite dates.

It may be a surprise to some but the christian media is also posting MANY articles about this FSD episode.

And while it may not represent the ‘popular opinion’, it still falls within the category of credible Media coverage of this show.
There are MANY other popular christian media perspectives/articles on this FSD episode.
Some are well written and others... not so much.
Some may help people gain an understanding as to where Luke might have been coming from.
Why he feels justified in his behaviour towards Hannah about sex and the FS.
And that his perspective is not that uncommon among christian circles.

Again, PLEASE do NOT discuss this article on here since I do not want to cause problems by posting it. I am posting it SIMPLY so that the other side of this “christian morals dilemma” between Luke and Hannah might be better understood. To possibly bring clarity to their conflict. Simply for the reader to read it, take it as information and move on.
I am definitely NOT trying to get people on here to agree with this viewpoint.

I am hoping that people may understand the rationale as to WHY this particular episode/season has been what it was : two people in the same ‘religion’, who thought they were on the same page, but who clashed because of their differences in it.
IMHO

Article from CBN.com
(I hope this is the right way to post a link)
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/entertainment/2019/july/its-not-a-laughing-matter-christian-contestant-booted-from-bachelorette-over-purity-stance?fbclid=IwAR21Ie2fDk7bfKEG5oMeyUobdIPrT5cllxgoaNdJz3aahzrh4HMecoKv60M

by RizBiz Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:58 am

North wrote:
BlueTone wrote:As a Christian, this really saddens me that he and family are trying to gloss over his obvious personality defects and act as though he is being persecuted for his beliefs. Those defects are what caused the problems we were shown, not because he was a "righteous man." Go quietly into your prayer corner Luke, grow up and wise up.

Same. And, the martyrdom of Luke and persecution of Hannah is really @#$%-ing me off.

The reason people don't like Luke has nothing to with his religion. It has nothing to do with him wanting to be abstinent before marriage. It has everything to do with how he behaved, the words he used. The lying. The pride. The arrogance. The disrespect. The lack of self-awareness.

He's definitely riding a wave of support from "persecuted" Christian warriors right now which really frustrates me. Just because someone is a Christian doesn't give them a free pass. I hope the MTA puts Luke back in place. Not with the guys bashing him, but just Luke being Luke - showing the world he is an arrogant, insolent, jerk who thinks he has no faults.

And I hope Hannah and Chris Harrison frame her relationship with Luke as a toxic one, and highlight the issues point by point. How Luke behaved with Hannah was not okay.

IMO , The Edit made him much worse than he actually is. Sorry but the producers have had a field day with this season for their own purposes. Not saying that everything Luke did was right but he is not near as villainous as they have portrayed him.

by North Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:06 am

RizBiz wrote:

IMO , The Edit made him much worse than he actually is. Sorry but the producers have had a field day with this season for their own purposes. Not saying that everything Luke did was right but he is not near as villainous as they have portrayed him.

Love all these different opinions! I am actually starting to think Luke got a pretty good edit for the person he is. IMO -- and after seeing his tweets going after Hannah, it could've been so much worse. IMO, Luke is not a misunderstood, faith-finding Christian boy -- he's an arrogant, prideful, disrespectful man-child who hides behind his faith. He's also burdened with a lack of self-awareness and an enabling support-system that is not going to help him grow through this experience. IMO.

by RizBiz Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:10 am

North wrote:
RizBiz wrote:

IMO , The Edit made him much worse than he actually is. Sorry but the producers have had a field day with this season for their own purposes. Not saying that everything Luke did was right but he is not near as villainous as they have portrayed him.

Love all these different opinions! I am actually starting to think Luke got a pretty good edit for the person he is. IMO -- and after seeing his tweets going after Hannah, it could've been so much worse. IMO, Luke is not a misunderstood, faith-finding Christian boy -- he's an arrogant, prideful, disrespectful man-child who hides behind his faith. He's also burdened with a lack of self-awareness and an enabling support-system that is not going to help him grow through this experience. IMO.

Yes, lots of different opinions and perceptions of what we see and about life.
And each of us has the right to our opinions, including LUke and Hannah.
She has no more right than he does to voice their opinions. When Luke responds to Hannah’s nasty tweets, he has every right to do so. It is not a one sided story.
Two people’s lives.
Two people’s perspectives.

by Chgohighlife Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:29 am

North wrote:
RizBiz wrote:

IMO , The Edit made him much worse than he actually is. Sorry but the producers have had a field day with this season for their own purposes. Not saying that everything Luke did was right but he is not near as villainous as they have portrayed him.

Love all these different opinions! I am actually starting to think Luke got a pretty good edit for the person he is. IMO -- and after seeing his tweets going after Hannah, it could've been so much worse. IMO, Luke is not a misunderstood, faith-finding Christian boy -- he's an arrogant, prideful, disrespectful man-child who hides behind his faith. He's also burdened with a lack of self-awareness and an enabling support-system that is not going to help him grow through this experience. IMO.

YES! Yes, @North
Thank you for an excellent post.
IMO This is not a religious discussion AT ALL. Luke is a disgusting excuse for a man who hides behind religion. IF, IF, IF, IF, IF this whole mess between Hannah and him was in any way about a difference in religious camps, beliefs or concepts he would have taken himself home to the people who are buying what he’s selling. I do give Hannah credit for being too smart to be bullied because that’s all that whole attitude of his is about and his popping up everywhere like a bad penny is the proof of that . All IMO.

by Mommyof2 Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:34 am

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0EOIwjH6P2/?igshid=1ulkyl287vcjp

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I find all this talk about Jed now highly suspicious. I think there is a pretty good chance Hannah will reconcile with Jed after all is said and done. Jmo.

by Tiggerlgh Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:35 am

I said it before and will say it again putting religion aside Luke’s aggression scares me and reminds me of Josh. Luke was gets mad very easily like Josh when things don’t go his way and he stepped over the line with Luke S. All IMO

by Billysmom Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:36 am

There was one point during the fs dinner he was clenching his fist...very scary to me jmo

by Chgohighlife Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:42 am

@BlueTone
I don’t know how I missed your post above but it is EVERYTHING!
Totally agree on your opinion about Luke. People like him give religion a bad name. All IMO.

by SeekAny Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:45 am

IMO there is absolutely no way Hannah is reconciling with Jed. And if she does, then I feel very sorry for her. Cause nothing good will come of that.

She’s young and about to live her best life. Maybe she’ll get to do dancing and if not I’m sure she’ll get many other cool offers. She should focus on that and somewhere down the line a guy as good as Tyler will come along and she’ll finally be ready to recognize the kind of relationship and love she deserves. I hope she goes out, dragging Jed for his lies and showing the world she’s a confident woman ready to tackle anything.

I hate that I’m probably not gonna get my Tyler and Hannah ending, but darn it she entertained me all season, so I’ll be rooting for her post show.

by RizBiz Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:56 am

Tiggerlgh wrote:I said it before and will say it again putting religion aside Luke’s aggression scares me and reminds me of Josh. Luke was gets mad very easily like Josh when things don’t go his way and he stepped over the line with Luke S. All IMO

I hear you Tiggerigh.
However, one thing to note is that many athletes involved in physically aggressive sports such as rugby, football, hockey etc. have challenges with this. It’s in the nature of the competition.
Both Josh and Luke are involved in adrenaline pumped sports and they both exhibit this ‘controlled’ aggression, as did many other characters on the show.

It doesn’t mean that they are necessarily going to be abusive or violent in relationships.
Consider for a moment how many people we know, and how they handle anger.
Some people walk out of the room when upset or angered.
Some clench their fists.
Some clench their jaws.
Some yell and scream.
Some people swear and curse.
Some people get drunk.
Some give the silent treatment for days.

And some who have matured through the experiences of life, actually have learned how to handle anger, resentment, disappointment, etc. in a positive manner.
I wonder if WE all could say that we always handle our anger, frustration, etc. in our daily lives in a positive, mature manner....? Especially those of us who are 24 years old.

Maybe if WE would have a spotlight on our daily lives, for the whole world to see, we would also be labeled as psychopaths? deranged? narcissistic? etc.

If the producers had chosen to do so, they could have highlighted other guys as well who exhibited anger.
But it was Luke this season...
They even added subtle soundbites to Luke’s clenched fist... the cracking of knuckles, to accentuate it.
To make sure we didn’t miss it.

by Chgohighlife Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:58 am

SeekAny wrote:IMO there is absolutely no way Hannah is reconciling with Jed. And if she does, then I feel very sorry for her. Cause nothing good will come of that.

She’s young and about to live her best life. Maybe she’ll get to do dancing and if not I’m sure she’ll get many other cool offers. She should focus on that and somewhere down the line a guy as good as Tyler will come along and she’ll finally be ready to recognize the kind of relationship and love she deserves. I hope she goes out, dragging Jed for his lies and showing the world she’s a confident woman ready to tackle anything.

I hate that I’m probably not gonna get my Tyler and Hannah ending, but darn it she entertained me all season, so I’ll be rooting for her post show.

I hope she will not waste time dragging Jed, stop engaging that jackal Luke and just rise above it all and become happy and successful. Take the trash out! All IMO.

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