Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

Chgohighlife wrote:I want Tyler to be the next Bachelor.
I want him to find a woman who is too smart to spend an entire season trying to figure out what a loser Luke P. is and ignoring an entire house full of other contestants who ALL trashed him and couldn’t stand him in the process.
I want him to find a woman with pride and dignity not, false bravado and a fondness for men with a giant question mark over their head.
I want to not have to pretend I’m proud of a young woman for taking the only and easiest way out after being left with absolutely NO CHOICE because even if she wanted to stay with Jed, those two women he was involved with made it absolutely impossible. The backlash for staying would have been seismic, she could have never weathered it, she did the only thing she could.

Several days ago I said she’s young and entitled to make mistakes like everyone else. Her job now is to learn from them.

Tyler can do better than third choice and any man who can, should, IMO. I don’t believe he wants Hannah badly enough to settle for her, now.

IMO Hannah cannot save her happy ending. She should not be willing to try at Tyler’s expense. She overlooked a bright, shiny, caring, protective diamond and hand-picked a hairball and a turd. Now she has to deal with it.

I believe Tyler wants and deserves to be first. Once again, Hannah needs to learn why she gravitates toward the wrong men but, I’ll play along if she grabs the nearest good man to hide under till this s—t storm blows over. If chivalry leads Tyler to be that man for the short term, ok. If love leads him to marry her, too bad.
All my opinion, of course.

Longhornfan wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:I want Tyler to be the next Bachelor.
I want him to find a woman who is too smart to spend an entire season trying to figure out what a loser Luke P. is and ignoring an entire house full of other contestants who ALL trashed him and couldn’t stand him in the process.
I want him to find a woman with pride and dignity not, false bravado and a fondness for men with a giant question mark over their head.
I want to not have to pretend I’m proud of a young woman for taking the only and easiest way out after being left with absolutely NO CHOICE because even if she wanted to stay with Jed, those two women he was involved with made it absolutely impossible. The backlash for staying would have been seismic, she could have never weathered it, she did the only thing she could.

Several days ago I said she’s young and entitled to make mistakes like everyone else. Her job now is to learn from them.

Tyler can do better than third choice and any man who can, should, IMO. I don’t believe he wants Hannah badly enough to settle for her, now.

IMO Hannah cannot save her happy ending. She should not be willing to try at Tyler’s expense. She overlooked a bright, shiny, caring, protective diamond and hand-picked a hairball and a turd. Now she has to deal with it.

I believe Tyler wants and deserves to be first. Once again, Hannah needs to learn why she gravitates toward the wrong men but, I’ll play along if she grabs the nearest good man to hide under till this s—t storm blows over. If chivalry leads Tyler to be that man for the short term, ok. If love leads him to marry her, too bad.
All my opinion, of course.

Hannah reminds me of a rebellious self-centered teenager who enjoys the shock factor.  It appears that she interprets her faith in such a way that in her mind it gives her permission to do whatever she wants to, and it absolves her from having to take any real responsibility for her own behavior.  And anyone who dares to question her, be damned.

And I think that Hannah really enjoyed shocking (and hurting) Luke when she used the F Word to describe having sex in that windmill.  Why use THAT word rather than "had sex" or "made love"?  I think that she knew how that would affect him.  And I am still trying to understand what exactly attracted her to Luke in the first place.  Why did she even want to take Luke to the FS?  They had already had THAT conversation about sex prior to the FS.  It just seems like Hannah is one contradiction after another.  What does she really stand for?  I am not seeing that strong woman in her.           

So, I personally want to see Tyler as a single man at the end of this, because I do think that he deserves better.  Hannah is still the same hot mess that she was before she came on the show.  And she needs to work on herself as a single person right now rather than immediately jumping into another relationship.  

All this is my opinion.

Longhornfan wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:I want Tyler to be the next Bachelor.
I want him to find a woman who is too smart to spend an entire season trying to figure out what a loser Luke P. is and ignoring an entire house full of other contestants who ALL trashed him and couldn’t stand him in the process.
I want him to find a woman with pride and dignity not, false bravado and a fondness for men with a giant question mark over their head.
I want to not have to pretend I’m proud of a young woman for taking the only and easiest way out after being left with absolutely NO CHOICE because even if she wanted to stay with Jed, those two women he was involved with made it absolutely impossible. The backlash for staying would have been seismic, she could have never weathered it, she did the only thing she could.

Several days ago I said she’s young and entitled to make mistakes like everyone else. Her job now is to learn from them.

Tyler can do better than third choice and any man who can, should, IMO. I don’t believe he wants Hannah badly enough to settle for her, now.

IMO Hannah cannot save her happy ending. She should not be willing to try at Tyler’s expense. She overlooked a bright, shiny, caring, protective diamond and hand-picked a hairball and a turd. Now she has to deal with it.

I believe Tyler wants and deserves to be first. Once again, Hannah needs to learn why she gravitates toward the wrong men but, I’ll play along if she grabs the nearest good man to hide under till this s—t storm blows over. If chivalry leads Tyler to be that man for the short term, ok. If love leads him to marry her, too bad.
All my opinion, of course.

Hannah reminds me of a rebellious self-centered teenager who enjoys the shock factor.  It appears that she interprets her faith in such a way that in her mind it gives her permission to do whatever she wants to, and it absolves her from having to take any real responsibility for her own behavior.  And anyone who dares to question her, be damned.

And I think that Hannah really enjoyed shocking (and hurting) Luke when she used the F Word to describe having sex in that windmill.  Why use THAT word rather than "had sex" or "made love"?  I think that she knew how that would affect him.  And I am still trying to understand what exactly attracted her to Luke in the first place.  Why did she even want to take Luke to the FS?  They had already had THAT conversation about sex prior to the FS.  It just seems like Hannah is one contradiction after another.  What does she really stand for?  I am not seeing that strong woman in her.           

So, I personally want to see Tyler as a single man at the end of this, because I do think that he deserves better.  Hannah is still the same hot mess that she was before she came on the show.  And she needs to work on herself as a single person right now rather than immediately jumping into another relationship.  

All this is my opinion.

Longhornfan wrote:Hannah reminds me of a rebellious self-centered teenager who enjoys the shock factor.  It appears that she interprets her faith in such a way that in her mind it gives her permission to do whatever she wants to, and it absolves her from having to take any real responsibility for her own behavior.  And anyone who dares to question her, be damned.

And I think that Hannah really enjoyed shocking (and hurting) Luke when she used the F Word to describe having sex in that windmill.  Why use THAT word rather than "had sex" or "made love"?  I think that she knew how that would affect him.  And I am still trying to understand what exactly attracted her to Luke in the first place.  Why did she even want to take Luke to the FS?  They had already had THAT conversation about sex prior to the FS.  It just seems like Hannah is one contradiction after another.  What does she really stand for?  I am not seeing that strong woman in her.           

So, I personally want to see Tyler as a single man at the end of this, because I do think that he deserves better.  Hannah is still the same hot mess that she was before she came on the show.  And she needs to work on herself as a single person right now rather than immediately jumping into another relationship.  

All this is my opinion.

Mommyof2 wrote:

Longhornfan wrote:

Hannah reminds me of a rebellious self-centered teenager who enjoys the shock factor.  It appears that she interprets her faith in such a way that in her mind it gives her permission to do whatever she wants to, and it absolves her from having to take any real responsibility for her own behavior.  And anyone who dares to question her, be damned.

And I think that Hannah really enjoyed shocking (and hurting) Luke when she used the F Word to describe having sex in that windmill.  Why use THAT word rather than "had sex" or "made love"?  I think that she knew how that would affect him.  And I am still trying to understand what exactly attracted her to Luke in the first place.  Why did she even want to take Luke to the FS?  They had already had THAT conversation about sex prior to the FS.  It just seems like Hannah is one contradiction after another.  What does she really stand for?  I am not seeing that strong woman in her.         

So, I personally want to see Tyler as a single man at the end of this, because I do think that he deserves better.  Hannah is still the same hot mess that she was before she came on the show.  And she needs to work on herself as a single person right now rather than immediately jumping into another relationship.  

All this is my opinion.

This.  All of it.  So true.   When I see her during interviews I think she sounds very mature, but then I see scenes like the one you are describing with Luke and also her SM and I think she acts like a teenager.  Jmo.  

Minney wrote:Rewatching the Luke/windmill scene with all the editing I'm not really sure it's what Hannah actually said but it makes for great TV.  The "twice" wasn't shown at that moment so could be from another PI.  In her moment of anger she could have said anything to get a reaction even if it was ridiculous just to show Luke how ridiculous she thought he was.  Hannah can be impulsive and its the type of situation that she could have said the first thing off the top of her head.  I can't see CH and tptb hyping the windmill comment if it was truly serious but that's just IMO.

Luvstruck wrote:Here's a fun poll on who was in the windmill with Hannah (only problem it includes Luke as an option LOL)  https://twitter.com/BachPartyPod?lang=en

Mommyof2 wrote:

Luvstruck wrote:Here's a fun poll on who was in the windmill with Hannah (only problem it includes Luke as an option LOL)  https://twitter.com/BachPartyPod?lang=en

And MF retweeted it.